MP Game isn't a true game

Playing RTS games online has always been a load of horse shit. 'Strategy' is a myth and really has no bearing at all on how "RTS" games are played online.

Really? Perhaps you haven't played Kohan?

I don't get it, they attacked you before you were ready, and thus you were exploited? You won't be an expert your first game and shouldn't expect playing a player to be much like playing an AI. If you click the icon next to the ready option for people, you can see how many games they've played. If you've only played 3 games, and they've both played 50+, then you can't complain much when they know how to play the game better than you do.

Sorry to hear about your experience BigDogBigFeet.  Not all SINS games are like that. Some people do just play for fun and its a good idea to start a friends list to weed out the players that don't suit your style of play.  You may also like to play with locked teams for each individual, or even better, team up with a friend in MP against a number of AI players. There are a lot of options for you :)  Hope to see you back at it.

1. Do a fast analysis on what went wrong (in this case, that's done)
2. Play larger maps so rushes aren't that viable as strategy, if you don't like rushing.
3. Quit the game since you still loose against better players.
4. Repeat 1 through 3 with another RPS or FPS or Arcade game. Start blaming your losses on people having superhuman brains and too much time to play.
5. Profit?


Or, alternatively, play with friends who aren't extremely much better or worse than you...

BigDogBigFleet:

Don't despair man. Those are just... well, I can't type the word here or it wont post my reply, but I think you catch what I'm inferring. What ya wanna try, is find someone in the chat who's interested in a real game, with no rushing (unless it's an accident.. the lack of fixed start positions can make that happen sometimes). Though, yeah, some people will backstab you and rush anyway... it's just an unfortunate weeding process.

What you faced are people who only care about one more tick mark on their Victory Chart (and not what Victory really means). Those are the same people that will be flavor-of-the-month mass single unit spammers... They are in all RTS games, and their strategy is what is commonly known now as "The Zergling Rush".

If you have any RL friends who like this genre, try convincing them to buy the game, they atleast will give you a legitimate playing experience. You will eventually, probably every few games, find people who actually want to play instead of rape. Once you do, you're golden.

Just remember man, those little twits are as shallow as your toilet bowl, and worth about as much as what you flush down it. The dishonor and shame are theirs. That's life though... you just gotta be bigger than them.

I have to agree with Norrec.

I think you're exaggerating slightly. Full fleets and full battle caps. I have no idea what that means.

They had all the fleet logistics and level 10 battleships? They knew the map? I think that's strategy. Maybe not in-game strategy, but it's overall strategy. They produced a fleet quicker then yours. Wow. Exploitation?

And playing with someone you're familar with isn't exploitating. Sorry they like to play together and be on the same team. And even...win.



Play larger maps if you want 'strategy'. Smaller maps will be rush havens, obviously.

Awesome you gave them $40 and now you aren't bogging down ICO servers.

They rushed you and sicked the pirates on you. Not really sure how that's an exploit or how it may constitute not "playing for fun."

I lost many times in situations like this as well. When you play with a stranger on your team you always run the risk of getting someone you can't rely on.

My suggestion is to play 1v1 a lot in the beginning, save the replays everytime you lose, and figure out what you did wrong. This goes for any RTS. I don't understand people's hostility with online RTS games. Someone's gotta lose, and when you're new, expect it to be you.

Look are you familiar with the old let's do Blah blah blah and find a scape goat pigeon to be on the receiving end of it. If it were Chess there would at least be a visible playing field. As you are well aware the expectation is it's reasonable to believe at least a portion of the game is to build an empire. At least that was my belief. It was misplaced because this was little more than being on the receving end of a stacked orchestrated eliminate this guy BS. So, I'm not into that. I would not consider a pre-arranged partnering with anyone for that purpose. I would not consider allowing myself to be the unwitting dupe to that sort of bullshit either. When I say full cap ships in the first 5 mins of both so called players in my home world with everything they had while dumping every penny on bribe the pirate on the dupe that's how simultaneous the BS was. That isn't a game from my end of it. That's being a sucker and a dupe. So, no thank you. And to everyone good-bye I'll not be back for any further activities of any type or kind here at all. That's it with me. As, far as awesome you gave them $40 and now we get the bandwidth you paid for it shows your senseless attitude exploit exploit exploit. Claim it's strategy, I don't really care. Claim just because you lost you're acting this way or whatever you will of me, again I don't really care. What I wasn't really aware of is these aren't really games. What's happening here is quite literally partner with someone. Develop a lop sided strategy to stack the odds and find unwitting dupes to be on the the receiving end of it nonsense. And, I don't want to participate in that sort of BS. So... good-bye.

lol wut?

Also thanks for supporting IronClad (+40$)

This is why a separate competitive ladder (or something similar) is a must for 1.04. Casual and competitive gamers should not be forced into playing together.

And here you find the essence of all strategic thought in the history of humanity.

it sounds like he only played one game...

No, we mainly need a virtual dice to determine winners for people that don't like loosing in a competitive game where skill & experience counts the most...

'cause you know, what would happen if there were casual players with an actual games' or two worth of experience, they could even win based on what they learned! *gasp*

Anyways, ladders only serve to protect the good players from utterly boring matches. You can't really keep ladder players or their second accounts from playing in regular games...


I suggest you to play until you find some people who also feel the game was balanced, and do a couple of rematches. Or get better while loosing.

While it's good to see Kohan remembered, most public games of Kohan WERE optimised build-order rape. It was just as open to 'best path' stuff as any other game. Playing an RTS in pub games means you have to be playing at a certain competitive level, and not just horsing around with your buddies as in a private game.

Thank goodness he never played Surpemem Commander; it was FAR worse there for rushers and "I'm a noob, really!".

I was going to invite the OP to play a team game with me. We'd most likley lose, but we'd learn and have fun. Guess for some people (or, may I be so politically incorrect as to say the younger generation brought up on low strategy, rushing RTS games) winning is sinning when your trying a new game. . .

That's good, because I'm sure no one wants to play on your team either.

For pretty much any game you play, if you play against someone more experienced than you, you will lose.

The fact that attitudes like yours STILL exist in this day an age is baffling. Just when I think mankind is starting to rise up from the murky recesses of stupidity and arrogance, nature pushes us back in with a curveball named BigDogBigFeet.

Hi Guys,
I've been avidly reading the forums since game launch, and I'm just waiting for the demo before buying the game (I'm a HUGE GalCiv fan, too
I haven't really felt the need to post yet, especially having not tried the game. However, one pattern I'm seeing as a 'neutral' person reading all kinds of posts out of interest is that sarcastic/mean spirited replies to honest gripes/questions is pathetic. I find it especially funny seeing some posters are so afraid of seeing the game cast in a negative light they REFUSE to accept that there might be valid issues, and turn on anyone who doesn't bend over backwards to lick IronClad's nuts. In particular, I want to make a point of point out how much of a dick innociv has proven himself to be throughout numerous posts covering various subjects.

Anyways, really looking forward to the game, but for gods sake calm down, yon fanboys...the boogy monster isn't out to get your favorite game.

Note: This in no way applies to actual IronClad/StarDock posts, as you guys have honestly done a great job of being fair and receptive!

@JeffK965

I love this game but I have said on multiple occasions that it's imbalanced.

However, gripes like these are unfounded and highly emotional nonsense. What he's complaining about can apply to any game. In fact, his complaints are simply him venting his frustration that he lost in a game against MORE EXPERIENCED PLAYERS.

He lost?! Say it ain't so! The humanity!

Ahhh BigDogBigFeet

As entertaining as your posts were, you could use the enter key a bit more often please.

Also try playing a 3vs7! You won't stand a chance, but you will live longer!

Jinx:
Sorry, I'm not saying everyone that likes the game is playing rabid fanboy, but I've been doing a LOT of reading trying to decide whether or not to buy the game, and there is an unmistakable pattern to many responses regarding gripes.

I agree this posters complaints in particular seem a bit over the top...as many noted the problems he is having will ALWAYS be present in a competitive online arena against strangers. The only reason I chose this thread to post my gripe was seeing yet another assholes response.

I'm just saying look at innociv's response, then look at Craig Fraser's. Which was most effective? Which did the game more justice?

Read the post it's very good and expresses my end of it perfectly. The attitude displayed by your numerous responses of this type are purely exploitive. Since this is something you enjoy well then chow into it. I won't be back for it. I think what many have been expressing is really a rather callous view of what a game is and indicative of today's culture: steroids, extreme and ultimate fighting, doping, fixing and so forth. So good luck to you all.

Do you blame everyone around you for your problems? People are laughing at you because you're being a troll. Don't extrapolate from that that they're assholes. You're the one asking for it.

Excuse me JinxofSin. If you wanted to participate in that kind of stupidity then do it. If you want a game that is widely popular with new players then what you have to have is an MP mode that the odds cannot be stacked against the unwitting. To eliminate this sort of BS, as I said from my end of it, so that the playing field is more level some simple sensible changes could be made. All open MP maps should be random instead of pre-chosen by the "Host" eliminating map specific so called "strategies" that only the host and his partner can take advantage of. Second all open games should have random player assignments. That way each player starts with the same capacity to develop a real strategy for game play. Third pirate raid timing should be invisible to all players and random. Partner games should be done in a separate lobby for those who wish to team compete. Please notice how this so called strategy that they used relied on knowledge that only the host and his partner could have. The layout of the map for example and the pre-arranged strategy of eliminate the unwitting dupe through whatever blah blah blah they had prior exchanged. They also timed dumping the pirate bribe perfectly with their arrival in my home world. Way too over the top in my opinion to even be classified as a game. Simply a pre-arranged bunch of shit that will push new people away. So there you have it. Like it or not that's what that kind of BS does.