Breaking Myths About Liberals: An Interview with Myself (II)

This article is the second in a series of who knows how many where I am using myself as a sample liberal to respond to what I often read as blanket attributions made by those who denigrate "liberals" in their blogs and message boards. I do not speak for all liberals -- there are too many of us and too many different "kinds." But I do try to mark how accurate these attributions are by offering my own views on the issues they raise.

Do you believe in a welfare state?

I don’t even think I know what this means. Presumably, it is negative descriptor for a state where lazy people can freeload off of good citizens’ tax dollars. The reasoning goes something like this: you want me to work my butt off to put food on the table while some crack whore gets her next fix thanks to my tax dollars? Put that way, it sounds pretty horrible. But to anyone who has been on the dole, you know that being on welfare is hardly the luxury some make it out to be.

Thanks to our good old American Dream, we tend to believe in the myth of meritocracy. That myth, simply stated, means that our culture rewards merit equally – if you work hard enough, if you are smart enough, if you have marketable talents, you will profit and rise to a social class and privilege suitable to your merits. We love “rags to riches” stories enough in this country that we believe this myth to be the truth. We love it enough that the GOP (a party that tends to put the needs and concerns of the wealthy and big corporations ahead of everyone else) has many hardworking poor and lower middle class folks in its ranks – presumably (in part) because they hope one day to reach the brass ring and join the privileged prosperous. The likelihood that that will happen is less than the likelihood that they will win a state lottery, but then too many of us tend to spend our hard earned cash on those too.

I call it a “myth” of meritocracy because it is just patently not true. The number of truly “rags to riches” stories in this country represents an incredibly small percentage of us. We make those successes visible to preserve the Dream, but the truth is many of the privileged inherit their privilege without any need to show merit. And too many gifted souls are burdened with incredible poverty, poor public schools, high crime, and the nasty turns of fate that go with such conditions to ever benefit from whatever potential merit they might show. I believe welfare – and other support programs for the poor – is there to help folks overcome inequities in our system to show their true potential and thereby benefit all of us. And, since no issue is black and white, I am sure there are folks who take advantage of these support programs without using them to “rise up.” But I would rather support a few (or even majority) of those for the sake reaching those who will truly benefit (and benefit us all) from the system.

There was a time in this country when the haves helped the have-nots with donations, volunteered services, and kindness. Such charity is to be found at the heart of most of our religious organizations. More and more, though, the volunteer and charity ethic have been sacrificed to a dog-eat-dog world of competition and struggle. I believe that our government (but not our government alone) has a role to play in charity and helping the poor. And I don’t think that function is met with “trickle down” economics. Our poverty support systems may be bureaucratic, flawed, and in need of reform – but that only means we should strive to make them better.

Are you a radical?

Probably not. See, I play by the rules. I obey the law – and when I break the law (knowingly or otherwise), I submit to the punishments that go with such violations. I believe that civil disobedience is necessary and effective sometimes, but it is not my first tactic of choice for persuasion and social change.

On the other hand, if it is radical to want things to be different, then I guess I am a radical. Mark my words: I do want things to be different. I don’t claim to have the blueprints for Utopia, but I believe strongly that we as a culture can and must do better. As I have stated before, though, I resist the temptation to give into cynicism – I believe that the founding fathers (and mothers) designed this country so that it could investigate better ways of being. Our system is corruptible and flawed, but it also contains sufficient potential for self-correction. I do not believe that it is necessary to work outside of that system to bring about social change.

What worries me more is that Dems and GOP alike often deploy terms like “radical” and “liberal” as scare tactics. If you are slightly left of center, you are a “liberal.” One step more and you are a “radical,” practically a member of a militia. Take, for instance, my stance on gay marriage. Some would say that being for gay marriage makes me a radical liberal. But see, all I’ve done for the case of gay marriage is write my congressman, send letters to the editor, carry a sign on the street with others, and maintain a blog that expresses my views. I do these things because I am a gay man who lives everyday with the material consequences of not having my 10+ year relationship with another man recognized by the state. In other words, I am responding in legitimate and fairly routine ways to a perceived injustice that affects me personally, the effects of which I deal with on a daily basis. Radical, to me, would be crashing a straight wedding to protest it. Radical to me would be giving up on my country and calling for a (violent) revolution. And radical, to me, would be a straight person violently protesting gay marriage when it doesn’t really affect him/her.

It is not radical to seek change. After all, the so-called (compassionate?) conservative GOP platform includes no less than three proposed constitutional amendments. Doesn’t conservative mean you don’t want change? Wouldn’t it be more conservative to not change the constitution? Maybe it is only radical to seek major, fundamental change. But what is that exactly? My point is that “radical” is more often an attribution made by the “other side” to demonize the opposition – call someone else “radical” and you are implicitly claiming that your position is “reasonable.”

Are you a tree-hugger?

I’ve hugged a few trees, yes. But it was always consensual, and we used protection. :-) I like trees and parks and think our “National Treasures” are worth preserving. I also think environmental concerns should be more center stage in the current political landscape. But that is not to say that I am anti-capitalism or that I don’t believe that big business can be “green.” I do think that business requires regulatory oversight because our current market system is too focused on immediate gain and has few incentives to self-promote conservation or even “wise use” of resources. And I think we tend to treat environmental concerns as matters of convenience, issues we turn to when we have time and relative prosperity, issues that are too easily overshadowed by national security or economic concerns. We are woefully shortsighted in this country, especially when it comes to the basic principle of “don’t shit where you live/eat.”

Relatively speaking, there is merit to environmentalist arguments about the intrinsic value of nature and spiritual motivations for preservation. But these are only some of the reasons behind a variety of environmental concerns. Many environmentalists argue from a position of social justice, calling for healthy working and living environments for all of us. Many do so from a deep sense of moral responsibility for making sure the planet remains healthy and viable for future generations. Many do so because they recognize that the current human population explosion is unprecedented in our history, but that species population explosions are not uncommon in natural history – and the lessons we’ve learned there should give us all pause. Rampant consumerism (which I do not believe is necessarily synonymous with capitalism) is filling up landfills and poisoning diminishing water supplies at an astounding and, again, unprecedented rate. Apocalyptic doomsaying may sometimes get a little over the top, but I think that may be more about getting and keeping our collective attention than actually predicting the downfall of everything we know. It is, if anything, a reaction formation to cavalier consumption and faith (sometimes religious) that devouring limited and non-renewable resources for short term gain is our manifest destiny.

I think you have to be blind and stupid not to see that environmental issues matter. I think you have to be naively optimistic to believe that science and technology and free market incentives will solve all of the increasing human impacts on the environment. We should all be proud to call ourselves environmentalists, whether or not we actually hug trees. And we should all be deeply suspicious of any oversimplification of complex issues to binaries like “jobs vs. the environment.”
(to be continued)
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“trickle down” economics.


I agree. The problem with the trickle down theory is that it takes for granted the kindness of the "corporate overlords." The theory is that if we give the rich more money, they will pass that money along to those who work for them. The reality is, the rich just reap greater profit margins, and the people who work for them make the same -- and these people can't quit because otherwise they will starve.

Our system is corruptible and flawed, but it also contains sufficient potential for self-correction.


Agreed. I go with Jefferson's first line of the Declaration "when in the course of human events..." When events say that things can be reformed, we reform them. When events require revoultion, we reluctantly do so.

I am responding in legitimate and fairly routine ways to a perceived injustice that affects me personally, the effects of which I deal with on a daily basis


Amazing how the right will view the ways you described as "legitimate" when it promotes what THEY want (prayer in school for example) but when you walk these same paths, you'r a "radical." No, I salute you for trying to work within the system to get equal civil rights for you and your partner.

Dems and GOP alike often deploy terms like “radical” and “liberal” as scare tactics


thank you. this is a problem of both mainstream parties.

it was always consensual, and we used protection




I do think that business requires regulatory oversight because our current market system is too focused on immediate gain and has few incentives to self-promote conservation or even “wise use” of resources.


Very, very well said.

I think conservatives would do good to remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a main voice in conservation and that it was Richard Nixon who started the EPA. The Environment shouldn't be a partisan isssue, it should simply be a HUMAN issue.

Thanks for the excellent post Bungee, I look forward to reading more.
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thanks for the wonderful post. I posted more comments on the politicalmachine forum site. You've become one of my favorite writers to read here -- keep up the good work. visit me at The Brouhaha -- Link

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It shoudl tell you that conservatives have always been pro-environment. But not so pro-environment as to defy common sense.
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defy common sense like what?

Are you saying that George Bush is pro envirnoment Mr. Conservative Moderator?
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It shoudl tell you that conservatives have always been pro-environment. But not so pro-environment as to defy common sense.


Some conservatives are, yes. Nixon and Roosevelt being good examples (see above). But Reagan and the Bushes have followed the advice of "wise use" advocates who believe that market forces will correct for and drive sustainable environmental concerns. The Bush policies that give me most concern (especially with water and air) are specifically rationalized by the cost they save for industry without much attention to scientific evidence of the harms. Bush is one of the first persons to downplay science and long-term environmental impacts in favor of (ultimately) short term economic concerns in making environmental policy. I can understand why he wouldn't listen to Sierra Club or Audubon (not the most radical of environmental groups), but I can't understand why he would ignore his own science advisors or an incredibly persuasive letter of appeal about his environmental policies signed by many respected members of the National Science Academy.

Bush's biggest flip flops of concern (for me) which cannot be tied to 9/11 world context shift are how he campaigned on protecting the environment as well as Gore would have with specific promises not to lower standards for air and water, but then he did exactly that within the first few months of getting in office. And don't even get me started on the "Healthy Forest Initiative" which uses good science as a rationale, but then guts NFS oversight and trusts logging corporations to do the thinning of old growth forests on their own. Big surprise that they've been doing clear cuts and so-called partial cuts (cutting down 90% of the trees in a given acreage is partial?) instead of the selective weeding of the understory that the new science of wildfire management recommends.

You've become one of my favorite writers to read here -- keep up the good work. visit me at The Brouhaha


Thanks. That means a lot. I've learned to look for your name in the forums too. I'll have to check out the Brou.
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Conservative philosophy doesn't make sense. If they want the government to stay out of their pockets, how can they feel the liberty to enter into a more sacred aspect of a person's life--their morals? How can they believe they have the right to tell someone who to marry, whether they want to have a child or not, whether they want to use death as a means to escape the pain of a terminal disease etc? It is contradictory and doesn't make sense
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It shoudl tell you that conservatives have always been pro-environment. But not so pro-environment as to defy common sense.


Having watched the conservative movement for many decades, I don't think they can really be equated with any sort of environmental ethic. They are typically the last to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to follow the rest of society. I think they'd rather entangle people in an Orwellian world, a la 1984, where ...

"WAR IS PEACE"
"FREEDOM IS SLAVERY"
"IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH" and

"Conservatives are environmentalists".

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I just can't remember a single instance where they lead on protecting or enhancing the environment - leading in the true sense of being ahead of the people. .

I'd sure like it if they would, though, then the movement would certainly gain my vote, once again.

JW

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jesusstayscrunchy, "The problem with the trickle down theory is that it takes for granted the kindness of the "corporate overlords." The theory is that if we give the rich more money, they will pass that money along to those who work for them. The reality is, the rich just reap greater profit margins, and the people who work for them make the same -- and these people can't quit because otherwise they will starve."

I agree. To add to this I would like to say the other problem with the "trickle down" theory is that in our free market capitalist system (which I support and with adequate regulation I believe is a good thing) is that the success or failure of a corporation, often times depends on that corporation realizing ever increasing profit margins to satisfy investors in order to benefit from their continued investment. Thus, it is in the corporation's interest to continuously find ways at cutting costs if they cannot continuously exand profit through sales, (etc...) during recessions or during times of economic "softness." These cost cutting measures frequently are achieved by reducing labor costs, benefits, (etc...), or by cutting their labor force altogether via massive employee lay-offs. In tough times, it isn't easy to find work at all let alone work that paid the same as the job you just lost. It is also basic and widely accepted macro-economic theory that a certain % of the population HAS TO BE UNEMPLOYED at any given time in order to keep inflation in check. It is a fundamental part of our capitalist economic system. That being said, it is imperative that the government via tax dollars provides an adequate social safety net for those who, at one time or another, will need it's/their support while the rest of us benefit from our flawed but good economic system. I agree that there are problems within our governmental institutions, but we should not be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We should be looking for ways to improve our institutions so that the instances of fraud and abuse are kept to a minimum. Getting rid of good and necessary government programs is just short-sighted and nothing more than political rhetoric that makes for good "sound bites" and bad public policy.

Bungy32, once again...a great article. Keep up the good work. Feel free to return to my blog site to add more insightful comments.