LW! That was terrible!!!

There's two e's in mee.

Zigs here,

I had posted fair warning, Ziggy, that ANY commentary from you (or Marcie) on that thread would be deleted, and that neither of you are welcome on my blog, so why are you sitting here crying about it now? Don't blame me if your reading comprehension sucks to the point that you cannot understand a simple sentence like..."Stay off my threads, your comments will be deleted if you don't."

No, the point is that you take complete misinformation about (in this case) my motorcycle and use facts which are not even related to the price that I paid for my bike. It's the fact that you take information that you want, even if it is false, and then use it anyways and when corrected, you don't even acknowledge your blatent mistakes, but instead just delete the reply.

I stand corrected. This one may not have been your fault. She deletes everything she posts so fast it's hard to keep track.

Thanks, although Im pretty sure I have mentioned this a few times at least.

Lack of funding, my ass.

Lol...see, this is where comprehension skills need to be used. May 30th. Well when did school get out? June 1st. So what would she be doing two days before school gets out? Thats right, packing. She was packing up her room, putting stuff away in boxes. She had no reason to steal anything as there wasnt anything worth stealing. As a matter of fact, I think she even left some of her things behind. She spends hundreds of dollars every year on school supplies for her students so she has no reason to steal. Also, tensions were getting high as lots of things happened and took place with me and my situation that we thought about bringing forth a appeal to the school board and such. The association lawyers were consulted as well. We both felt that our free speech rights were violated, amongst other things. And while I dont know who said she was sue happy, I have a good idea...mainly because if we did go forward with a free speech thing, they would be involved.

Actually, as far as blogging, employers CAN and DO hold what you blog against you. And the courts have thus far AFFIRMED that right. So on the offchance you get a judge that can stop laughing long enough to hear your case, or who doesn't throw it out as frivolous, you would lose.

What many dont realize or understand is that Free Speech is from the government restriction. As Gideon correctly points out, when it comes to employment, you do not have Free Speech. Employers can and have used what you say against you in deciding to retain you or let you go.

No, only those who don't put you down, your highness! (snicker!)

Jeesh, and you go off on me for writing diatribes.

Poking around in your blog a bit this morning, Ziggy, I noticed you've deleted TONS of replys on articles I distinctly remember there being some intense debate on, as well as many complete articles themselves.

I havent deleted any replies, Sorry. Earlier this spring, I deleted a bunch of my threads I have written since we moved down here if memory serves me correctly.

While you niggle over nickels and dimes in my various comments about the bike, you deliberately miss the main point, that it was an extremely extravagant purchase for a young couple just starting out and already having difficulty keeping jobs and making ends meet. Your death-grip on the thing in the face of a severe financial crunch just demonstrates how insecure and selfish you are, Ziggy, and that's the point, period.

Your first qoute was from Jan of 05 and Nov of 05, just to put things in perspective. My comment about working when I was called was because at the time up until mid november of 05, I was a substitute teacher and para. I worked about 3-5 days a week average. Ive mentioned before how buying the bike was a mistake at the time. But I guess Id take a little financial hardship in exchange for some of the great times, friends, rides, experiences we have had on the bike. I guess maybe that is being selfish?

More and more? Haha, you were still in your first year. And as you readily admitted, your job consisted more of babysitting than actually teaching. But ok, you were an actual teacher in 2004. A kindergarten teacher. You didn't teach at that district a second year. Neither did Marcie, who I recall had some rather severe problems...all deleted, of course.

The point here Sabrina is that when you make up lies, then you are a liar. Plain and simple. I dont ever remember using the word babysitting to refer to my students. Kindergarten IS a combination of Home, daycare and school. The students arent ready for first grade yet and, for many of them, K is the first time they are gone from their parents for extended amounts of time outside of relatives. They learn more than you could ever imagine.

Of course I didnt teach at that district a second year, I taught during the summer months at 12 month schools and then we resigned. So either we are lying or telling the truth. Unfortunately when you say that we didnt come back, you assume that we werent invited or anything else. No, we resigned so we could move back to MN when Marcie got her position up there. Marcie didn't have any major problems. The issues she had were with the other teachers in her grade level who were like a clique. They refused to give her books and materials she was supposed to have in her classroom and such. She had a couple of surprising events with students, but that was when they were under someone elses supervision during recess.

Teaching job #2. Substitute in-school suspension supervisor.

When did being a para become a teaching job? You are also incorrect in that I subbed for two weeks before they hired me on as a full time ISS supervisor.

I recall you having so much time on your hands during school hours back then that many of asked why the hell our tax dollars were paying you to sit on your ass and blog all day, and it seems that in your boredom, you found some other mischief to get into as well, such as trying to collect evidence of discrimination against the teachers who sent their students to in-school suspension. Way to go, Ziggy. Ever read the book 'How to Win Friends and Influence People?

Wow, you really pulled that out of your ass. For one, lol yeah, I did sit on my ass all day long. Its sad that you really have no idea what certain jobs entail. I sat there until students were kicked out of class or sent by administration. I checked them in, logged them in, and then they sat at their desks and did work, or just sat there. With all day students, I emailed their teachers and got work for them to do.

Also, as far as the database you are mentioning, wrong again. I created it to show student usage data of the ISS room. Something that wasnt done before. Nobody ever really reviewed as far as I knew, how the room was used. I entered their name, the reason for being sent, their sex, the teacher sending, the reason sent, their ethnicitiy and a few other factors that I cant remember right now. With that, I was able to make a few different graphs and charts using the data collected, which showed how the room was used. That way, the administration could review it if they wanted, and could see who was sending students and such. The goal was to reduce the usage of the room....sad that you have a problem with that.

A noble endeavor (perhaps) or maybe just a fishing expedition. Either way, it was a retarded thing to do in a tenacious, part-time, first year position. But I'm certain it had absolutely nothing to do with you not being offered continued employment with that district. Of course not. I'm certain your actions endeared you to the other teachers and administration as well.

Im certain it did not either as my letter of non-renewal due to my position being eliminated due to lack of funding was given to me a week before I emailed the administration my database on the last day of school. Of course nevermind the fact that I told the administration my complete idea and was given approval and authorization to create it.

Again, neither you nor Marcie were offered continued employment once that year was completed.

As Ive said numerous times before, I was cut due to lack of funding. The gal that filled in for me while I was on break, also cut. Along with 28 other low seniority paras. Why are you not reading this?

Teaching job #3. Let's see what you had to say about that one, the fourth grade class, the one you were ready to give 75% of your students a failing grade in. (and what happened to THAT article, Ziggy?)

The weird thing is that I cant find it...which means either your searching skills are better than mine, or you are keeping a copy of my blogs. Either way, if you searched and found it, you would find that to be from the spring of 05 if I remember correctly, not teaching job #3.

But lets continue to clarify, even though you are more than 2 years off track.

Hmm, busted 'doing something stupid' during a surprise walk-through and getting into a shitload of trouble over it. But of course, you're 'not going into details' about it, haha. Fine, Ziggy, but that does leave the reader to draw their own conclusions. If they only spent 5 minutes in your class and had that strong of a reaction to what they saw, all I can say is that they must have witnessed something pretty damned horrific. And that was while they were IN THE ROOM. God only knows what you were up to when you weren't being directly observed by the bigwigs.

My principal was not my supervisor. My principal never came into my classroom unless he was taking a shortcut into another room. The reason he came into my room was because I skipped the morning meeting. I knew the district asst. Supers were coming and I wanted to fix up my room. One of the 3 areas on my first evaluation I needed to work on was my organization and my desk area was cluttered. Well skipping a meeting was a huge big ass problem with my boss that I didnt know about. That was the extent of his lecture. He was mad at my lesson planning which was copied exactly by the other experienced K teacher (who apparently didnt have any problems with her lesson planning). There are some bosses out there that have really bad days and as Marcie quotes in the quote below, he only really makes around when his bosses are coming by for a visit. And sorry Sabrina, that is all. Which I know, you don't believe.

And maybe the accusation of being sue-happy is on the mark, weren't you digging for lawsuit material just the year before when you were trying to tabulate how many minority students were being sent to inschool detention? Didn't you mention in one of your comments here that union reps and lawyers were consulted when either you or Marcie (or perhaps you AND marcie) were let go from this last position?

The sad part is that your digging for crap is so misconstrued, that you are getting more confused as time goes on. We only consulted our union / association and its lawyers one time, and that was this past school year.

I thought you said the position simply ran out of funding? Why in the world would lawyers have to be consulted over something like that, hmm? And if you're SO FEKKIN' INNOCENT, Ziggy, why not share the circumstances with us, openly and honestly, instead of all this vagueness, ala "things that happened and took place with me and my situation."

Lol again, my ISS position was cut due to funding. Marcies position this year was due to a lack of funding. The lawyers were consulted after we had a union rep in with us during a meeting.

It's none of our business, of course. Until you start calling ME a liar, Ziggy.

Well so far, how are you doing? You got years mixed up. Take certain things from my blogs, ignore what I say in my writing, defense or replies and continue to assume the worst. I mean you take a meeting where I said I was getting chewed out and then assume away about how I must have been horrible and ontop of that you insinuate how much worse I was when I wasnt being observed. You pull all of that shit from my mentioning a meeting where I did not in detail describe anything that happened.

Summation. Three jobs in the teaching field, two of which were glorified babysitting and one real 4th grade class that you failed at miserably. So miserably, in fact, that you later had this to say about your entire teaching experience...

You know that isnt a summation because for you, this will never end. You take all sorts of crap about my previous three jobs and assume away, while at the same time somehow ignorning the fact that you have had how many jobs in the past?

Also, Im pretty sure Ive asked this before on here, but where are you currently working? You were all pumped up about a position and seemed to glorify answering phones from your house and touted your skills being capable of doing such. You even installed a phone line in the house....but then you said you didnt take it. There is a difference between not taking a job and not being offered a job. Kind of pointless to spend all that money getting ready for a job and getting things installed in your house when you don't get the job anyways.

See how Im assuming things? Not sure what the real story is...but Im making up some really good Juicy crap! But I know I havent read anything about you working recently, and a scan of your archives shows me no lack of current employment. Id simply appreciate if you could correct me if Im wrong here. The fact is that I am able to realize that this blogworld does not give me all the information that can be presented so things need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Now, you can call them 'snafus' or 'plans which didn't go as expected' all you want, kiddo, we both know the truth. And this is why I assert that you are not a teacher. You made three attempts. You screwed up each time, even though 2 of the three positions required little more than playing with blocks and fingerpaints or watching miscreants sitting silently at their desks while being punished. You are now looking into other careers. I can't say I blame you. In fact, I'm relieved. I only wish Marcie would follow suit.

Lol I seriously have lost count how many times I corrected you. Here are some more facts for you. In MN....Im not qualified to teach Kindergarten...thats additional courses and training involved and thats where I got my license and degree. When I went to Vegas, they bumped me down to Kinder. So yeah, that was a rough year. I wasnt trained, or qualified or even licensed in my home state to teach kinders. I was invited to come back.

The second year as a ISS para....I was cut due to lack of funding and was invited to come back that fall.

The third year, this past year...it was rough all around. But you dont know all the facts of the events that occured Sabrina. All you know is all you get from my blogs that I write. You assume all you want and in the end...all you have to go on is what I write.

The real problem is that you can't even admit to the fact that you weren't there. You cant admit that you don't know everything that went on. Because if you did, that would put a stint in your rantfest.

And it's none of your business where I work, or if I work at all, Ziggy. Feel free to keep asking, though.

Well no...I mean, I just find it interesting. You havent blogged about it, and you usually do about that kind of thing. Its just amazing how someone who hasnt had a steady job in the x number of years Ive been on here, enjoys going off on others about their jobs

I'll bet she did. Just like your thorough chewing out was all over a missed meeting and a messy desk. Baaaa'aaad teacher, Bad!

The thing here is that I presented you with the facts of the situation. Now, either you can call me a liar, or take it as it is, which is the truth....and which are you going to do?

Oh, and you HAVE deleted replies, the article about keeping up the motorcycle payments after you'd lost your job had scores and scores of comments on it, even Karma participated there, and it's one of the threads she and Marcie got into it on. It's been thoroughly denuded. I wonder how that happened, Ziggy?

I havent posted about my bike on its own thread in a long time (outside of my Ironbutt ride). Second, there was a lengthy debate going in one of Marcie threads....could have been in there, Im not sure. I had one in yours, but as you know, you deleted it when I went into length showing you how you were wrong. I don't even know where the article is that you are talking about. Also...Im sure the mods can figure out who deleted what, because to the best of my memory, I havent deleted anything.

That and the simple fact that I don't even know how to delete comments on the thread. Lol nevermind the fact that I dont know how to do it...I must have done it!

"Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. "
Mark Twain

[/B]Somebody, kill the bold.

Thanks for the entertaining fight, all.

ARRRGH. I tried three different ways to kill it.

No dice.

To boldly go where no man has gone before?

I have only read about half the replies so far but before I go back and finish I wanted to post some thoughts before they escape me. No matter how wonderful a person you are you need to ask yourself if you want your kids to be as good as you or better. If the answer is better (and I think most people feel it is) at some point they will need to find a mentor that is not a parent. Someone who provides a good, healthy adult-child relationship with them that they can look up to and for me faculty in a public school showed me that. I got the chance to see what good teachers were and bad ones too. I met many different types of children and most of their parents, and directly saw where behaviors stem from and I also learned that no one (parents included) is perfect. At some point in my life I had to question if my parents rules and assertions about life where correct and rebel a little like every child does. If I had not seen the consequences of other peoples choices and how it affected not only them but their children as well, I might have turned out much worse. Public school gave me the proof necessary time and again to learn from others mistakes instead of making them myself.



There are other reasons I think public schools can be "good" as well. My parents are not stupid people by any means but the fact that I had a different math, science, english etc. teacher every year meant that I learned many different ways of looking at the same problems. I found teachers who loved to read and taught me of poetry and literature that I am sure my parents nor myself would have ever experienced or even been interested in. These sorts of teachers had a passion for what they taught and specialized in it. As a homeschooler you are trying to be master of all if you want to do it "best" and I really don't see how one person could do such a thing.



If you want your child to turn out just like you then you can try to homeschool them but be sure not to hold anything back from them or you might find you have done more harm than good and when they meet things you tried to protect them from in life they may resent you for leaving them ignorant of it. If you are afraid of the things they will learn and the behaviors they will adopt from the system or the people they will meet then I think you should really make sure you have a good bond with your child and be prepared to "unteach" them things you believe are wrong. Part of functioning in a diverse society that demands conformism social and otherwise (this applies to the real world and public school) is that you need to learn to stand up for your own truth in the midst of other people living in theirs.



It takes a tribe (and not just the people in the tribe you really like but the whole tribe).

Edit: Bah waste of time reading the rest of it I haven't even been around enough to enjoy the dramatic popcorn munching but I think I fixed the bold problem...

It is getting late, and I don't feel like reading all of the posts above. My wife has homeschooled, or should I say "unschooled" our two older daughters for the past 5 yrs. Last year we tried a "virtual school" affiliated with a local district, and our girls tested into the program at grade level or above in most areas of study. We did not care for the required assignment on a set schedule, and pulled our daughters from the program. We are utilizing lifes lessons in teaching our daughters math, grammar, spelling, science, and music. Public schools try to teach memorization so students can pass standardized tests, to keep the funding coming. I try to teach my children how to find the information they need to make it through life. Life is the best teacher anyway.
Most of what we learned in public schools we will never use, and most of what we really need to know, is never taught. Don't belittle your abilities, as long as you try to use life's lessons to teach, you should do well.

Please don't overlook teaching respect for elders, proper manners, and humility. These are the foundation to education. If a child does not have these, they will find it hard to accept instruction from anyone in life.

God Bless

Thank you for this gem of good advice.

I can't help wondering if the public school system inhibits children's vast learning potentials in so many ways. I wonder if more time is spent getting the kids organized and keeping peace than is actually spent educating them?  Not much different from parenting, is it? 

I give you credit for admitting that you are not up to homeschooling. Unfortunately too many of those who do homeschool are not as honest as you.

I apologize for this doubling up. Anyway, your criticism of public schools is on the nail--head becuae you, yourself made a choice to take your child to the better school in the neighborhood. Therefore, it is obvious that schools are not equally funded and why a child indeed is left behind.

Although I am a STAUNCH homeschooling advocate, I will admit there are times when it is not the best option. I appreciate it when parents realize that rather than trying to force it.