re-engaging... Just to set the record straight, and to hopefully help YOU with reading comprehension, something you seem to be severely lacking in, it WAS MY BLACK FRIENDS THAT CALLED ME "MY NIGGER" which is why I cut and pasted my whole reply so once again you can re-read it and see what an ass you are. You read things that are not there, then accuse me of making a racial slur which I did not. But In my 61 years of life I have garnered this much knowledge, someone who is as fast as you to condemn someone has something to hide, maybe YOU are the RACIST HERE! Now dis-engaged. and will not be coming back so make all the phony accusations you want to. I will not defend them anymore. You are not worth my time.

She's a racist, and full of herself yeah, and hypocritical even when confronted with it, as for getting people banned, in all honesty I could care less though. I do find it sad that they were banned. If that's true and if it was because of something she said or did though I would think that admins/moderators would have more guts and responsibility to just ban people who "Whip wants banned" LOL. Is that really the whole story Dr?

"We have documented her lies."

No shortage of those. Just don't let her take the road of "I've posted more relevant shit than you" LOL.

"Haha, it's no skin off my ass, Dan, just know this. The Doctor of Nothing is no friend of yours."

How do you know that I am not sleeping with the good Dr Whip? Icould be sleeping with the Dr. and you'd never know, we could be tracking your IP and planning to bomb your bicycle too. LOL. You can go on claiming this and that but that doesn't make your statement anymore fact than mine or the Doctors.


"You're a moron, Dan." "Intimidation? Haha."

Yeah, that's what insulting your debating/discussing "opponent" is, your tactic is to intimidate with words of hate and negativity. When you do not value their opinion you can just say, I disagree, but nope, I'm a moron because I have

Consistently demonstrated by written citation that your hateful spew is
A. inaccurate
B. contradictory
C. hateful spew
D. and that you have a pattern of it.

"ANd besides, you cant argue with a liar. They just change the argument when they lose."

If it were just me saying this I'd have to question my ownself, but Dr. isn't the first and won't be the last. As you mention, you and this Jennifer, from what I recall of that you and she got into it on her blog, and you just like here, i.e. "the pattern of hateful spew" repeated it over and over. Eventually driving her off or getting her banned.

You have done your best to defame me in as many ways as you can, yet you don't win arguements or make good points doing that, you only make yourself look like a racist, hypocritical, contradictory ass.

"the most historically despised bloggers that ever graced this place"

So says you. I don't know of any committee that decides on despised bloggers, just you Whip choosing to prey on those who you think are "weak and whiny" Your words right?

Forgive me if I spoke for you Dr. I understand your strategy for dealing with her.

"re-engaging... Just to set the record straight, and to hopefully help YOU with reading comprehension, something you seem to be severely lacking in, it WAS MY BLACK FRIENDS THAT CALLED ME "MY NXXXXX" which is why I cut and pasted my whole reply so once again you can re-read it and see what an ass you are. You read things that are not there, then accuse me of making a racial slur which I did not. But In my 61 years of life I have garnered this much knowledge, someone who is as fast as you to condemn someone has something to hide, maybe YOU are the RACIST HERE! Now dis-engaged. and will not be coming back so make all the phony accusations you want to. I will not defend them anymore. You are not worth my time."

Disengaged and then 3 hours later reengaging lol. Guess that doesn't say much for your word one way or the other.

I fail to see how I am a racist when you are the one using the racial slurs on my blog. Also since you don't know me from Jack except from what I post here I challenge you to find a racial slur or racial stereotype from me applied anywhere in my writing.

Hint: there isn't one.

Here's why, I've written about what happens when people use them, and about the time I was accused of using one, how bothered I felt living in a society where I could even be accused of casually replacing the word "bigger" in this sentence "Are you from Milwaukee one of the bigger cities?"

The context was me, a white male, 24 gas station attendant, a black female 12-14, who was coming to my station to pre-pay for gas. A common practice in larger cities, larger than Appleton, cities such as Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay, Chicago, Minneapolis.

(The race is mentioned here because it's pertinent to the context. The distinction between the whole race thing is that here is matters in the story and in the discussion about Michael Vick's and dogfighthing, I have yet to locate where race is not irrelevant in that story.)

The girl though I meant the N word instead of bigger city. She didn't say anything about it, but she told her father at the gas pump, he didn't confront me, but he did call the police, and they contacted the gas station manager. It was on tape, the man came in to see it, I never met him, or his daughter, but I felt so crummy because we do live in a society where these words obviously damage and destroy lives.

Had there not been video and audio or even the audio with the video recording the interaction I could have been fired, the girl could have believed that I did insult her rather then her just mis hearing my words. Certainly I would never EVER EVER EVER do that. Not to she or anybody else, because it is wrong, ethically to crush a persons spirit, and that is exactly what she thought I had done, and there is no justification for it under any circumstances.

Only on JOE USER can I be called a moron and a racist without any justification anyhow whatsoever except the antagonistic and cruel bull-shitters that exists here.

So you go on accusing people you don't even know of being racist, even though they don't bring race into arguments where it's not pertinent or use racial slurs while you yourself do, I'm not interested in using that word or any other racial slur ever.The fact that you do, I make light of it, and you take offense, is what you should be ashamed of.

"make all the phony accusations you want to."

Did you use the N word? Yes. How is that phony. Friend or not, it's still a racial slur, would you find yourself calling a stranger a racial slur? I can understand how you see it different, however the reality I live and exist in and the one you do are different.

If in your reality you think it's acceptable to be discharged from an occupation for using the same word, as you do to greet your friends, think for a minute about how your children or grandchildren latch onto that reinforcement. If that is the example you wish to set for them fine. It is not the example or the world I wish mine to live in.

I respect your opinion, I would ask you to respect mine.

Guess the critics have finally been silenced for now

I have no problems with anything you said. My response was a general one, and not meant to be a documentation of things that have gone on before. I chose my strategy not out of fear, but out of respect to others here who I respect and who asked that our war be ended. Seeing that some cannot leave anything alone, the only way to stop a war is "to not play the game". Thus my decision.

The list is far more extensive than she lets on. And includes some to the left of you, and to the right of me. Our only commonality is that we have documented, for all to see, her lies. But the powers that be are not on her payroll, as I may have implied. Instead, when she starts a fight, which she always does (she is currently going after a couple here on JU as well as you), she escalates the attacks to a personal nature and then cries "hep me, hep me, I am a wounded duck" and asks the admins to ban them. Anyone who haunts the halls of JU for hours on end each day can easily find a violation of the TOU, and she docuements them and sends them to the admin, while deleting her own so that she appears to be blameless (or in one case, getting the banned person to do the deleting themselves).

For the record, the couple now involved with her on another forum, are not my friends. I have no respect for the husband, and only a passing acquaitnance with the wife, who I disagree with almost without fail. Of the others she has gotten banned, only the Jennifer one was what I would consider a friend, and even there, it was one of mutual respect for adversaries, not a commonality of beliefs.

Well, gee, Dan, you don't see how it is racist to look at someone who is black and assume they're from Milwaukee? "Gosh, we ain't got no blacks in Appleton, eh?"

And before you try to pretend Appleton ain't racist by nature: I LIVED in Oshkosh for 12 years, Danny Boy. Plenty of racism in Wisconsin to go around.

But as long as you cast your votes for Feingold, Kohl, and Doyle it's all good, right?

 

That's not Mutley!  That is Grimm (From Mother Goose and Grimm).  The Chihuahua is Ren from Ren and Stimpy.

That is an interesting twist on the truth.  What really happens? 
1) Bloggers start personal attacks
2) We email bloggers and tell them to quit
3) Bloggers usually don't quit
4) We email bloggers again and tell them what will happen if they don't quit
5) One blogger will quit (in this example, that would be LW) but the other doesn't
6) Blogger that doesn't quit is emailed again
7) Blogger then starts bashing the admins
8) Blogger gets exiled

Other scenario is that blogger is found out to have multiple accounts and is simply banned.

No conspiracy theories here, people.  Move along and find something else to make a mountain out of.

 

Oh, and here's another Vick Cartoon:

Like Dick Gozinya?

That account was exiled.  There are plenty of other people on here that have had fakes, ones that they didn't admit to, who simply had their fakes banned.

If we banned everyone who had a fake, or insulted the admins, or got in a fight with LW, there would be only about 3 people left on here.  The admins do a lot of behind the scenes work that nobody sees.  They just assume what they see online is all there is, which is just ignorant. 

"includes some to the left of you, and to the right of me."

I didn't know we had a seating chart at JU.

"Well, gee, Dan, you don't see how it is racist to look at someone who is black and assume they're from Milwaukee? "Gosh, we ain't got no blacks in Appleton, eh?""

The reason I bothered to say anything at all, was to make general conversation with a customer, as gas station attendants do. The only reason I inquired where she was from was because she was pre-paying for gasoline. In Appleton, we don't prepay for gasoline and it was rare someone will come in to do that. I didn't mention race in my explanation, except to provide context for why a person might be offended by the "N" word racial slur or why someone would assume I had said the "N" word rather then bigger to describe their city of residence.

If she had been a young white woman of 12-14 the odds are very low she would have concluded I said the N word instead of "bigger".

"And before you try to pretend Appleton ain't racist by nature: I LIVED in Oshkosh for 12 years, Danny Boy. Plenty of racism in Wisconsin to go around."

Oshkosh, and Appleton are different places, though less then 20 miles apart. Appleton has seen explosive growth and half a million dollar homes springing up on the north side. It's the same in the surrounding fox cities, the economic matrix is extremely strong and improving each year. In my study of cities, I have found that typically a place like Appleton, with a strong economy, tends to attract intelligent singles and family oriented people. The city budget is almost half spent on education, considering Wisconsin's public schools are the best in the nation I would have to say that the education is very strong as far as public schools go. Since education fights ignorance and intolerance very effectively I would strongly dispute that Appleton is racist by nature as both inaccurate and ignorance of Appleton.

I do not know how you seem to think that because your experience in Oshkosh makes Appleton racist by nature. Perhaps you could provide an example.

I will say that for you assertion that Appleton is racist by nature, it's interesting that the second link on the Appleton city website found here

http://www.appleton.org/

is titled,

"NewCultural Diversity Calendar of Events"

the last link is titled

"Appleton is an Equal Opportunity Employer"

if you look at the city council page

http://www.appleton.org/council/

you'll see a fair bit of diversity.

By the way, a few weeks/months ago, people were knocking the quality of the water from their tap. LOL.

Looks like Appleton won first place nationwide from the EPA for wastewater treatment. Check out the aerial view of the plant.

http://www.appleton.org/departments/utilities/wastewater/

Of course racism by people is a problem anytime or place it happens. It's not just wrong in your town or mine but anyplace. There is no reason for it either. I choose to work against it, to be part of the community who reaches out to minorities and other members of the community. I also choose to work towards a world where race is not a factor, simply because your race doesn't determine who you are, or what you are unless you make it that way.

I have found that Appleton is absolutely not racist "by nature". My perspective on the community is of a white male age 25. In the incidences where I have found people to have racist attitudes or make racist remarks, and there have been a few, I have found them to be ignorant of many subjects not the least of which is race.

Your perspective, I would expect to be different, but not because you are of a different race or sex, but because the experience of every human differs. I lived in two different but diverse neighborhoods and have not found race-relations to be a concern big concern, certainly not comparable to gangs, gang crime, and the Midwest's creeping meth problem are in my opinion much more of a problem.

"But as long as you cast your votes for Feingold, Kohl, and Doyle it's all good, right?"

I don't understand that means. If you are making some statement on race, and the fact that all these guys are white then consider that the majority of the population is white in Wisconsin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin#Demographics

Can we agree, moving forward, to stop mixing personal attacks with the points we wanna make on here. I know it would take away some of the drama, but there is TNT for that.

Seriously Whip, it doesn't make you anymore convincing when you call someone or their point "weak and whiny".

Also the racial slurs on here, by Moderateman, isn't that against the Terms of Use or did I miss a section that skipped racial slurs?

I'm not against people debating or discussing, just the idea that making it personal strengthens a position which it does not.

"And before you try to pretend Appleton ain't racist by nature: I LIVED in Oshkosh for 12 years, Danny Boy. Plenty of racism in Wisconsin to go around."

I think I was a little too forgiving of your commentary here Gid. In your 12 years of living in Wisconsin, you can take the time here on JU, to smear the Great state of Wisconsin, motto "Forward" and not provide a SINGLE EXAMPLE of the racism you experienced living in Oshkosh.

I'm calling you out, provide one, provide two, tell us why you think my state and my community is "racist by nature"

What decade did you live in Oshkosh by the way, I'm curious?

[[Sorry for just posting one after another, I can't seem to edit my own last post LOL.]]

"It's very easy to consider yourself 100% NON-racist when you live in an upscale, lily-white suburb of a predominantly WHITE state, Dan."

I consider myself non-racist because I am non-racist. I don't live in an upscale area. I live in a nice area now but I used to live in a not so nice area, instead of living next to a railroad line, I live on a busy street, instead of hearing an ambulance at the odd time of day, I hear firetrucks even more frequently.

The state of Wisconsin is predominantly white but that doesn't make it racist, nor does it make it not racist I don't think I asserted that the entire state is one or the other.

In no particular order, here are the usages of the word "racist" in regards to you and I Whip.

You

"You call me a racist as if that's the worst thing in the world to be, Dan, and that's simply not the case. There are far worse things to be. Far worse."

I don't think I called you directly "a racist", but you do write like one, because you used the "N" word in previous discussions.

Using the word "racist" on the thread thus far.
You

"I know you think I'm a racist, Dan,"

"I'm a racist. If you say so. And?"

"...word 'negro' racist, it must only reflect your own notions that negroes are somehow inferior to whites, and to be referred to as a negro is an insult along those lines."

Me

"You win Whip I'm not spending my Saturday teaching you to be polite or not a racist."

"Did you also see it when she talked about how "Black people have it coming" in her response on the racist rant Michael Richards delivered that was caught on a cell phone and broad casted to the universe. Did you read her thoughts on how it is typical of black people always cause a disruption of public life."

"However I really don't appreciate racist dogma and you telling me I have a double standard without specifying what it is.

"That's fine, but lets have a conversation of some substance and not one of stereotyping, prejudice, and racist characterization of a person rather than their actions."

"She's a racist, and full of herself yeah, and hypocritical even when confronted with it, as for getting people banned, in all honesty I could care less though."

"You have done your best to defame me in as many ways as you can, yet you don't win arguments or make good points doing that, you only make yourself look like a racist, hypocritical, contradictory ass."

Your first statement about Vick on here where you ranted and defamed him,

"semi-retarded, vicious, greedy and violent ghetto negro"

I'm not going to explain sentence structure in the English language or how when you say a word at the end of a sentence or string it is reinforced by the previous words, when they are all nouns. However, the connotation and connection of negro (which isn't a racial slur and I never said it was) to vicious, greedy, violent, ghetto, and semi-retarded was as if all negro's posess those characteristics.

You further reinforced that "social stereotype by reinforcing the idea of quantity when you said. "They're a dime a dozen in any inner city, and more easily replaced than many sports fanatics want to admit."

I'm not twisting your words, I'm presenting them exactly as you did, in exactly the same context in exactly the same order, your defense of them has been typical, first it's not racist, then it is but only when I say it is because I say it is, now your defense is that being racist is not the worst thing in the world, and later if we follow this progression in linear fashion, we'll learn that racism is not a crime or vice or misdemeanor of any kind.

Right, no actually that's wrong.

Vick's race does not determine his actions good or bad. Nor does it determine his character good or bad. You are assigning racial stereotyping to him, as well as me, when you say

"...consider yourself 100% NON-racist when you live in an upscale, lily-white suburb of a predominantly WHITE state, Dan."

It is a form of co native prejudice, because you don't know that my family is of German ancestry, or that I was adopted by a black family, or even if I'm American, versus Canadian.

Your very statement, "live in an upscale" is both false, and a precognitive notion reinforced by cognitive prejudice. Just because I implied that Appleton, has half a million dollar homes, does not in fact mean that I live in them. Appleton also has fifty thousand dollar homes. The fact that I mention them does not mean, I live in a "ghetto" either. For all you know, I live in a car.

Here again "Of course, I don't expect you to see that, ensconced in your safe, white, suburban paradise. I never saw it either."

You mock Appleton, calling it a "paradise". Appleton which is a community which is proud of its diversity, struggles with it and yet reaches out, yet you can't escape connecting "white" with "safe" "suburban" though it is a city. You describe it as if you know it but you don't know Appleton any better then you know the dark side of the moon, well perhaps a little better. But you've been to neither place.

I have tried to make this as clear and transparent as I possibly can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice

"Some would argue that these problems are caused more by poverty than race, and I'm sure that this is a big part of the problem, but I've also come to learn that many (not all, there's your disclaimer) blacks (is that your preferred term?) have a completely different outlook on life, (full of resentment, blame, self-pity and a sense of entitlement) an outlook that makes little sense to me in light of the current mood in this country which makes racism a cardinal sin, and one that I personally feel is the root cause of many of the problems facing the black community today."

Which problem are we discussing here? Michael Vick and dogfighting? If you are asserting that the cause of black poverty or racial issues is that some black people
are "full of resentment, blame, and self-pity, and a sense of entitlement" where and why does that differ from some white people?

Michael Vick's race didn't cause him to chose to participate in Dogfighting. His star status and above the law attitude, carelessness and lack of ethical decision making did. Being black also doesn't make you more predisposed to be violent, or to be greedy, or to be retarded, semi or otherwise, nor does it allow you to excel in sports. Talent and the development of it, allows you to excel. Reinforcement of your aspirations, either internally instilled or externally make you greedy for more success.

You tell me that people like Barack Obama, Colin Powell, Tiger Woods, Condoleeza Rice, are living the lives of a person full of self-resentment, blame, self-pity, and a sense of entitlement? Wrong. How about the guy who Sammy, who took over my job at the gas station, or Darnell, the guy I worked with when I was working local Burger King, is living the life of a person full of resentment, and blame, self pity, and a sense of entitlement. I think they have you fooled whip, not that it would take much considering your preconceptions about a lot of things. I think your "learned" preconceptions come through as "racist" even if they not intended to be. But I certainly don't think the majority of minorities in this country have any more or less sense of entitlement than the rest of us do.

Don't tell me that as a salesperson you never cut an ethical corner because of greed or competition, need to be the best, or we can add liar to your self proclaimed "racist" status. That was one of the things I could never get by when I was a short lived salesman, trading in my ethics scorecard at the end of the week in exchange for success.

Michael Vick, allowed himself to be seduced by the dark side of greed, competition and unlimited success, the fact that he is black has no more to do with it than the fact that is a man versus a woman. I don't see you pointing out that fact yet it is just as true and as much fact, as his race.

If it had been a woman caught, would we be chauvinists to prosecute her? To despise her for what she had done? What if we said, "semi-retarded, vicious, greedy and violent ghetto woman"? Is that now speaking badly of all women? I don't think so.

"I'm not going to explain sentence structure in the English language or how when you say a word at the end of a sentence or string it is reinforced by the previous words, when they are all nouns."

semi-retarded (adj), vicious (adj), greedy (adj), violent (adj) ghetto (n used as an adj)... hmm.

Also, when you say a word at the end of a sentence it is MODIFIED by the previous words. Hence, if I say "That's a blue car" I'm not saying that all cars are blue. I'm saying there's a blue car right there, end of story. When one says "Michael Vick is a semi-retarded, vicious, greedy and violent ghetto negro," they are referring to one negro in particular and applying those adjectives to one negro, not ALL negroes. That is English.

I was trying to edit the page but it must be locked. I think maybe cause you posted Jythier.

My point is, that adding the race connotation where it is not needed, because it is obvious reinforces what is clearly Whips own preconception about black people.

In the first sentence she provided the adjectives, (that's right adjectives thank you ) In the second sentence she provided that all those things applied to the noun in the previous sentence, were in fact akin to lots of people in that minority.

When in fact she has no basis for that but personal experience. No facts, no study, no supporting evidence.

Thanks for the clarification between a noun and adjective, it's been a few decades since grade school.

No problem. Just remember - if it's describing another word, it starts with 'ad' because it's 'adding' something to the other word.   

"starts with 'ad' because it's 'adding' something to the other word."

That's an easy way to remember it.

Thanks Jythier.

Well, as long as you don't have to separate adverbs and adjectives, you should be okay! Glad we could have this English lesson.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled mud-slinging.

Yea, I'm glad you don't feel the need because I really don't either anymore. Still there is little question that you do stereotype, prejudge people, and use race to amplify your argument.

You're welcome, little-whip. You should use this additional time wisely, because you only get it so often.

Just like a Panasonic. Samsung-power!

(laaaaame)

lol

RIIIIGGGGHHTT, Dan. IN twelve years, I never went to the city of Appleton. I don't know nutthin about that high falutin' town!

most of the 90's and a good chunk of the 2000's

Dan,

If you imply Wisconsin is not a racist state, you are either a liar or blind. Open persecution of Hmongs is practically a statewide sport! And NEVER did I see the violent acts of racism I witnessed in Wisconsin.

And how conveniently you miss the KKK rallies in Madison.