Ascension.. do you think it is possible?

Wait, what? You still have a body?

HA HA LOL another meatbag!!!

I think ascention would be to move outside of time. If you are beyond time then you would know all things and be everywhare all at once and that definately sounds like ascention to me.

Even in the bible we humans are refered to by God as 'creatures of time'.

Where in the Bible is that?

I do not remember where? I have only read the bible twice. I'm sure there would be somthing online to do a search on bible verses? My bible version is the NIV study bible.

I am pretty familiar with the Bible, and I have it installed on my computer - a program with most of the translations. I could not find it, nor do I recall ever reading it.

I think you are mistaken.

"Creatures in time" is not a phrase that you will find in the Bible, but a conclusion drawn from the study of the Bible. Humans are indeed "creatures in time" in that we are locked into it and unable to break free, unlike God who is able to transcend both time and space, being the creator of both. It's merely another example of how humans cannot hope to be able to second-guess God, since it is impossible for us to understand Him, except where He has chosen to reveal Himself to us.

Just Google "Bible" along with the phrase "creature of time" in quotes.

Becoming eternal is all well and good, except that it would fundamentally change existence to such an extent that I'd pass on it. Consciousness, for example, is completely dependent on time. To be eternal is to be static; fixed; unchanging forever. An eternal being is like a statue or a read-only database: unable to absorb anything from the universe around it (to perceive anything is to change, and change requires time). I enjoy being a creature of time; I'll leave eternity to my creator.

Living forever as energy, though? Still aware of the passage of time, but free of physical decay? Different story. However, before I sign up, I'd also want to maintain the ability to interact with others and with the material universe. Not because interaction would be important, but because it's necessary to demonstrate (within a reasonable doubt) that consciousness is preserved by the process.

Back to the basic question...



No. The idea of ascension (as in Stargate) might be a cool story, but that's all it is.

I think it might be possible in time to become a being of pure energy, through science, but not as a part of natural evolution or some mytical process. Many geneticists believe that the natural evolutionary process for homo sapiens has been disrupted or even halted by applications of modern science (advanced medicine mainly). Poeple with congenital genetic defects, and those who with without science would be infertile, now survive and reproduce. If genetic engineering were directed towards the goal of transforming a human into a pure energy being, then it might be possible, but otherwise I dont think so. Even so, such a thing would probably be centuries or even millenia away. Too late for this "geezer" (35) gamer.

Ascension is not only possible it is your reason for being here.Reality is like octaves on a piano keyboard stepping up to a higher vibration as you go up.I can only come at it from a spiritual point of view.There are systems of bielef that explain part of the way to make your ascension.They involve the kundalini energy in the spine and the seven chakra centers in the body along with balancing your karma and rituals of purification using thought forms and sound.
I don't why your asking this question,idol curiousity or what.
for other reading I suggest," Autobiography of a Yogi" by Yogananda and the
"Dossier on the Ascension" by Serapis Bey.

http://naropa.cut.org/supress/open/base_open.asp?strSub=Book&strType=Detail&strCode=1038&mo=bs&epag=

This link is for you because you asked the question.
Suffice it ti say that God has given you a laboratory for you to experiment with light.
Don't let anyone discourage you from that.

enough acid and anyone can be made of pure energy   

moving right along, since relativity tells us that energy and mass are interchangable, we already are beings of pure energy, sort of.

i'm going to respond scientifically. i have no interest in another religious debate about who's right and who's wrong. so ahead of time, to all those religious persons who have differing points of view, i just want to say i respect them.

nevertheless, many scientists view the conscious mind as a result of the brain's attempt to integrate multiple coded lines of processing about the external world. therefore a mind cannot exist without senses.

if the senses belong to the realm of body, then i don't think it's possible to exist as a mind without a body, whatever they're both made of. the mind is not a command center or cockpit; it's an integral part of the body, and the body is an integral part of the mind. mind and body are one, but i don't see any a priori reason why a mind-body can't be made of energy.

the body of course is subject to change. i think a body made of "pure energy" (which in some models of physics is still massive), could have a mind. but barring divine intervention, i don't think human beings could evolve or turn into that, not naturally anyway. it's certainly possible, but evolution can only use what it already has available. i don't see how the traits of 'physical formlessness' could be carried by genes with a phsyical form, except perhaps as a part of developmental physiology, but that means new people would have to be born in material bodies and eventually 'shed' them (presumably only after they'd reproduced, but who knows, unless we also become immortal and don't need to reporduce to ensure survival any longer).

Yep. Sure do.

You mean like in stargate? Right now? Probally not, because it would imply that we have some innate ability that, for some strange reason, has yet to be activated. If we did have it, why hasn't it been activated, unless someone who already ascended is preventing us from ascending.

Although we probally lack the ability to ascend naturally, most of us will probally live long enough to become cyborgs (or something else). We then might live long enough how to figure out how to make the ascension thing work.

It is in there somewhare, don't worry about that. It was one of those phrases that caught my imagination, and that is why i remembered it.

Einstein belived that when we all die our souls that are the energy u all speak of, ascend to a higher plane of existens and become one with the universe. Doing this the soul wich is our conciuness basicly, becomes immortal and our thoughts, our thinking our memories become infintie as we learn all that is to know about the universe.

I dont belive we would ever be able to transform our bodies into pure energy. But i do belive in some kind of higher plane of existens. I just dont know what.

Hmm... perhaps it was in the study notes of the version you mentioned. I have the same version, and seem to recall something similar in the notes. So it is not a direct quotation from the text of the Bible itself, but instead is supported by a systematic reading of it.

For those interested, the orthodox (widely accepted) interpretation of the Bible says that EVERY human being will live forever, and will one day be transformed into something far greater OR far more terrible than current appearances imply. Both ascension and descension will occur, although not simply as beings of pure energy--physical bodies are part of the deal. The ascension option isn't something one earns by accumulating knowledge or being a good person, though.

If you take enough magic mushrooms ull feel like uv accended.

Give it a try if ur realy into accention.

You really should put down those Arthur C Clarke novels and get out more.

Strange things happen, so I guess who knows - I have even met a Board Chairman who actually believed his Company Marketing, strange guy, but takes all sorts to make a world   

Regards
Zy

seems a weird thing to put in the notes?

Mass gives energy organization. So, no, I don't think it's possible for there to be any "thing" made out of energy (except energy itself of course).

I think the nearest thing to "ascention" that humans or our descendants can hope for is the ability to comprehend things such as advanced physics - things that our existing evolved minds have trouble with. Like the scale of the universe or the wave-partical nature of matter (like electrons). Heck, if we evolve to the point where we all use our turn-signals, I'll be happy.

As has been expressed here, mass is energy. Energy in the form we think of it, is incapable of the rigidity of form and interaction necessary for complex devices and organism, making it impossible for any devices, machines, or life to exist in this form. Energy must first be in the form of mass before this is even possible. To even think otherwise is to show ignorance of what energy is.

I wouldn't have chosen that one? If i could choose one thing for all drivers to do, it would be that everyone drove at the speed limit at all times where possible. Just that one little thing would cut traffic congestion in half!!!



Are you saying you know what all forms of energy in the universe are?

Poop!   

To be serious for a minute. What is our soul? Energy, something like a ghost. Everything there is is a form of energy one way or another. And when we die our souls will be released from our bodies and supposedly, from popular religion, go to heaven or hell. But that is based on belief. What about the people who believe in incarnation? They don't go to heaven until they reach their final incarnation and die, and hell is earth for them. I think that if you believe, deep down, that you will go to heaven or hell, you'll go there. I think that if someone seriously, really deep down believe that if they die, they weill become energy and be a part of everything, everywhere.
Hell, great books to read about this is Terry Pratchett (Discworld) and His Dark Chronicals. What if we die, our souls released from our body dissolve and join everything? We will be a part god's creation and if you think about this, what if Earth is God's Kingdom? Anyway, what do I know? I just read books and think when there is nothing to do (18 btw) Just a thought...

isnt the sun a form of energy. and its got mass and form. energy is just atoms and electrons. wich both have mass and form.