The ark could theoretically survive 30 meter waves using 30cm of wood, it displaced approximately 21000 tons, and could theoretically have a cargo weight of 17000 tons. 13 different hull designs were tested (the ark's own dimensions is listed as ship #0), and only one of them failed to meet the American Bureau of Shipping standards. The ark's own dimensions were 13 times more stable than the safety standards required.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v8/i1/noah.asp

Let's see - the heaviest dino is what, 11 tons?
http://www.dinodatabase.com/dinorcds03.asp

We can "only" fit 1545 of them on the ark. If we were to try to fill the ark with the biggest ones. Last I heard, though, only a single pair of each kind was bought to the ark, not 1500 of the largest dino. Very few dinosaurs are actually on on such a large scale. Most animals - including most dinosaurs - weigh less than a ton.

As far as the issue about water, most creationists assume that most mountains were created by catastrophic plate tectonics, so it wasn't necessary to cover Mount Everest or something like that. Current estimates are that plate tectonics could raise the ocean floor by 6500 feet. That's ignoring other factors, though.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/tools/flood-waters.asp

BTW, I've found a technical document about plate tectonics during the flood. Probably not very relevant to the discussion at hand, but very interesting nonetheless:

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=researchp_jb_largescaletectonics



There's a slight problem here: There are many types of Christians (Methodists, Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, etc). There are no agreed "heads of the Christian Church." I find myself disagreeing with many of these "heads" on many issues.

I myself tend to align with conservative Lutheran and Orthodox teachings, as they seem to follow Biblical teachings the closest.



Christianity is about belief, not necessarily love, and work isn't required. In Christianity, works are thought to be a result than a requirement.

they also found that the ark would right itself unless it flipped upside down

as for the flood

every culture on the planet even the so called isolated ones all have a tail about a world wide flood

Citation please.

Many cultures around the world have flood stores of 8 people surviving on a big boat with animal to preserve their existence. The stores also happen about 2400 BC or about 4400 years ago.
Why do scientist hide that information.

The coral reef of Australia marine scientist say that the reef is growing at the rate that it would be about 4000 years old. A reef would not form under a turbulence of a flood so if it started building after the flood it would be about 4000 years old
The Sahara Desert is growing at the rate to be 4000 years old. A desert can’t form under a flood. If the world is millions of year old why is the biggest desert only 4000 years old?
The Bristle cone pine in California is the oldest trees in the world, at 4000 years old. The world flood killed everything even the trees. If the world is millions of years old why is the oldest tree is 4000? If it was older we would have older Bristle cone pine trees dying every year
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where would the water come from?

two places

1 from under the crust of the planet, the crust use to float on water. thus no earthquakes or volcanoes.

before you tell me i don't know what i am talking about. answer this why are the major continents except Antarctica moving away from the Atlantic.

2 from a cloud layer similar to Venuses

The greatest trick that Man has ever pulled is making others believe in God

Yeah, sorry... a geocities bible site really isn't a good enough reference for your claim, but thanks.

Look, I don't want to insult your intelligence, danielost, but I'm becoming rather annoyed by the many bizarre claims you keep making in this and other threads. It's one thing to believe something; it's another thing to state something as a fact... when it is very far from being one.

danielost.the master of tectonics

Put down that Tidal Disruptor ray, danielost. We're sorry for doubting you!

I'm ok me, I'll believe in anything. even mad science.

Marcus

ok you explain why the continents are moving away from the atlantic

How so? I think the history of religion shows that a majority of people are inclined to believe in higher powers, without pressure from a single malign force. That isn't to say that they're RIGHT, of course.

Not everyone is a great thinker. Not everyone looks at the world with a skeptical mind. There are many people who believe what they believe because they found themselves among others who believed it. It's convenient, it's satisfying, and it gives a measure of safety. Of course, it's easy for us to point at such people and say "Look! Brainwashed! Duped by evil religion/science!"

I don't think that this is a "trick" by religious leaders. It's just human nature. Many Christians don't know the first thing about theology. Many atheists have absolutely no idea what the real scientific issues are with the theories they invoke. It's not because of active deception. People just understand as much as they want to understand.

here is a link that has the stories of the flood

i have no idea if this is a religoen site or not


WWW Link

I just wonder how many individuals would chose GOD if there weren't any outside influence
.
I suggest that the idea of God is an indoctrination forced upon children and the weak minded adults in society.

God does not exist, so any other explanation is a fiction.

Marcus

as for the bible it has been been translated into at least two languages.


to give you an example of why this is a problem.


in english there is one word for the word "you".

in spanish there are three words for the word "you". you fill in the words if you want to.


so if you translate from spanish to english you lose some meaning in the word you


the first two languages are hebrew and greek. and useally it is also translated to latin as well before it is translated into the final language. and each time you translate from one language to another you lose a little meaning in what was said

I just always find it sad that good theological debate always boils down to factual accuracy. Especially since non-literalism has been accepted by the church for millenia!


Augustine, A.D. 408 WWW Link

Wow, very incendiary. I love it.

Okay, let me define God as whatever force can be said to have caused the creation of the Universe as I know it. The debate is then not whether God exists, but what the nature of God might be.

Is God eternal or does God change with time?
Is God active in the Universe, or does God exist solely outside the confines of this Universe? Does God affect my world?
Does the fact that God created the universe indicate that God is linked to the creation of my consciousness, as well? If so, what is the nature of that link?

And so on. If you choose to believe God is a completely deterministic physical law then so be it. But then you need to resolve why that law exists/existed, why/how it was invoked, and how such a thing makes sense with respect to the concept of time.

what is the concept of time to a bacteria

what is the concept of time to a turtle

what is the concept of time to birds

what is the concept of time to a snail

in reality there is no time

time was created by god for man so that all things wouldn't happen at the sametime

No i just have no belief.
If some people
need to make a fire out of my words then, don't blame me.
I just stated my position and belief.

Fight your own religious wars, lol


Marcus

Time is more than enough. no need for god.
Darwin has seen the mind of God.

Marcus

The creationist theory makes this world at aged not more than 6000 yrs,
This planet is 5 million times older, far enough time for darwin

It existed from well befor the god who is supposed to have created it.

for proof of god

i again turn to water, salt, and ice

water is made of hydrogen and oxygen which is an explosive.

salt is sodium and cloride sodium explodes, burns in water. cloride is a posion.

both of these are needed by all/most life on the planet

ice is the only solid that floats in it's liquid form. Except maybe dry ice. but i have never seen the solid form of dry ice. what we use is the liquid form of CO2.

What. OK. nonsense.

Marcus

actually if you look at genesis you will see that the earth was formed on the first day.

that would make the planet 13,000 years old.

also as i stated i don't think god looks at days like we do.

he would, I think, set a goal for the day and when that goal is met then he would call it a day.

according to science it took the earth 100,000 years to form as it is now.

according to science life may have started on the planet 150,000 years after the planet was formed.

explain why this is nonsense