Just a point of clarification--if they are not registering their fireamrm when they are living in an area that requires it, then they are NOT law abiding citizens.

Technically, of course, you are 100% correct here, shades, but I would like to point out that liberals do not have a monopoly on the idea of civil disobedience. If a gay couple is living as married in the state of Texas, they're not law abiding citizens either, but it'd be pretty silly to do anything about it.

I just wonder why you even bother to come around here LW. It's a mystery to me. Obviously I rub you the wrong way. You should just ignore me. I wish you would.

Here you have no idea what you're talking about...yet again.

I am NOT talking about my household because we DO NOT have guns. It doesn't apply. We have NEVER had a gun in our household. NEVER. So YES, I'm talking about my friend who just happens to be my boss. Give it a break LW.



I agree with this. If they want to know, why don't they ask the parents? Why are they asking the kids in private? Why not ask the parents and then maybe give out gun safety brochures if they are so worried.

Just a point of clarification--if they are not registering their fireamrm when they are living in an area that requires it, then they are NOT law abiding citizens.

Correction on point of clarification. The NICS done on the purchase of any firearm is registration and follows you "everywhere". Case in point. I have a CCW. I was stopped last week for a minor traffic infraction. Officer saw my firearm (kind of hard to miss a full size 45 auto.) He instantly freaked and got on his radio. I heard the dispatcher tell him it was fine the 45 was registered to me. Funny thing is I bought the gun in California. I have "never" filed any paperwork in PA, which is where I now reside.

Now I will say this there "are" different NICS for different types of firearms (pistols, rifles, etc). And some that have said certain types of firearms are illegal? Check again....all you may need is a special permit. Case in point...you "can" own a machine gun in AZ as long as you have the correct permit.

It's against the law in Texas for two men to live together? I mean, I realize that they can't get "married" -- but I'm not sure what you are saying? Are you saying that an unmarried man and woman living together (as married) are also breaking the law?

Sorry, I don't mean to be dense, I'm just not clear on how the two points interact.

"I just wonder why you even bother to come around here LW. It's a mystery to me. Obviously I rub you the wrong way. You should just ignore me. I wish you would."

Go figure.

Whats wrong Whip your outboard broken down? Stuck using the TRRRRRROOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL

motor?

"With good reason, patients may now perceive that their doctors, in asking them about guns in their homes, are acting more as an arm of the government prying into their personal lives than as their advocates in health care."
http://www.haciendapub.com/edcor8.html

You should advise your friend/co worker to ask the Dr. what the point of the question is, as they are asking it, they must have a reason. One that is both medically ethical and relevant.

I think you have plenty or right to feel the way you do. But as you dig deeper into the situation a few other factors come to light.

"More than two in five of all American households with children also have guns, and of those, about one in four keep those guns loaded and/or unlocked"
http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/Nov%2098/111398a.htm

At what age do you kids become young adults? At what age are young adults participating in potentially dangerous or damaging behaviours without their parents knowledge or consent, expected to be comfortable and upfront with their doctors and able to discuss medical conditions when that becomes medically necessary.

Doctors and nurses have to treat patients and family practitioners have to develop relationships with teenagers as they become young adults because of the things teenagers get into.

Risky behaviors such as...

Oral sex.
Unprotected sexual intercourse.
Drugs.
Peer pressure to do dangerous things.

Let me take another angle, who do you think treats people injured by gunshot wounds? Obviously the doctors and nurses, so they have a vested interest in supporting safe gun storage and usage. Obviously not every minor child, is not practcing risk averse behavior patterns, often frank and honest discussions about reducing risks is what a Dr. is ethically required to have with patients. Also obviously these types of discussions cannot always occur with parental involvement.

"806 parents, 43% of households with children have guns, and 23% of gun households keep a gun loaded. 28% keep a gun hidden and unlocked. 54% of parents said they would be highly concerned about their child’s safety if they knew there was a gun in the home of their child’s friend. Most understand the dangers of guns: 71% knew that at least one out of three households has a gun, and 59% that one-third of gun-owning parents keep their gun loaded and accessible at least some of the time. But the vast majority also don’t see the risk to their own child: 73% believe that it is "not at all likely" that their child would find and handle a gun without permission."
"http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/Nov%2098/111398a.htm"

So maybe the Dr. Office is a member of the AMA or CDC or whatever, and they put out a checklist of questions, and the Dr. reads em off and notes responses, in doing so opening up a dialog about risky behaviors with the patient.

HIPPA Health Information Privacy Protection Act makes it unlawful for any medical information, any responses to any questions, anything, in process of a Doctor's care giving, to be used outside of the medical field. The regulations are so tight caregivers are not allowed to discuss medical details with each other on a medical staff legally except in the performance of their job duties.

Unfortunately we live in a society where gun violence, intentional and accidental kills children. Risky behaviors injure or kill children as well.

I would ask the quack if it gives medications to its (or anyone else's) children.

In 2004 there were 105 kids under 18 died in accidental gun shootings. In that same year 55 died of adverse medical reactions. If 105 deaths is enough to make our medical professionals spy on our private homes, then those same professionals should be held to the same scrutiny for the danger they pose to our kids.

There is no Amercan more pathetic than those who use their freedoms to rob others of theirs!!!

I guess we will agree to disagree. MacArthur was no military genius (ala Patton or Jackson), but he was no slouch either. He did not do anything and got sacked for ADVOCATING a plan that Ike did not want to do. Korea is still a hot bed (Nukes anyone) over 50 years later due to Truman and Ike (never a great General anyway, but a good politician ala Colin Powell).

It is only yelling when you type in all caps. Typing key words in caps is emphasizing them.

Yea, but he was CIC and approved it!

And Normandy? Comeon! That was a political master stroke!

Umm, yes, and no. Doctors are required in most areas to report suspected abuse or neglect to CPS, with no clear legal definitions on what constitutes such. While the information obviously wasn't used this way in this case, it is not a stretch to envision a militant anti-gun doctor lidging allegations of abuse/neglect against a parent whose child reported them for gun ownership.

The truth is, we HAVE become everything we hated about Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in too many ways. In George Bush's America, it is not inconceivable that a dissident could be whisked away in the middle of the night (Gitmo, anyone? All we have to do is label them a "terrorist, and bingo! Civil rights go *poof*!), and the government goes on TV BEGGING citizens to turn in their neighbours for even the suspicion of wrongdoing (most notably in the areas of CPS/Domestic "terrorism"). Governments try to indoctrinate children in the schools and undermine private faith, almost to the point of ridiculing it. We've got a long way to go before it is truly as bad as it was in those nations, but we're on the right highway, with a full tank of gas.