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How To Destroy America

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A Frightening Analysis

This is a speech given about 2 years ago but still worth repeating. Have you heard this?

We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration — both legal and illegal — was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: First to destroy America, "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved! Not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity! Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games.

A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell.

"E. Pluribus Unum" — From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'x! xenophobes' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause.

A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America — take note of California and other states — to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy are deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

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this guy sounds nuts to me... diversity works with Canada..

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this guy sounds nuts to me... diversity works with Canada..

You seem to keep forgetting something. WE AIN'T TALKING ABOUT CANADA! What works there does not necessarily mean it'll work here.

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cactoblasta

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You seem to keep forgetting something. WE AIN'T TALKING ABOUT CANADA! What works there does not necessarily mean it'll work here.

Sometimes I have grave fears for your reading ability. Canada was one of the examples of a state where diversity hasn't worked, and indeed Lamm suggests that a multilingual US would fail because all multilingual states are failures.

Diversity works well with Switzerland too. They have three native languages and English as a fairly well-spread second language.

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Sometimes I have grave fears for your reading ability.

You're making a rather large assumption that he really read the whole thing.

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Canada was one of the examples of a state where diversity hasn't worked

IN the respect of integrating into A society, he is dead on. It is not working in canada. Canada is one vote away from splintering.

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It's hard to believe but this quote is almost 100 years old. Let's go back and take a peek at what was said by President Roosevelt in 1907:

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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And I wonder about your reading ability!

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Saturday, April 01, 2006

this guy sounds nuts to me... diversity works with Canada..

Just an FYI for you and davad70....THIS IS WHAT I WAS RESPONDING TO!

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You're making a rather large assumption that he really read the whole thing

So davad70....."You can go pound sand! You need to quit making an ass out of "U"!

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Why would President Bush allow this to happen? It seems to me that he's trying to bring America down. Would a Christain man do such a thing? I believe he's trying to push us to a one world order. At best trying to get rid of the middle class and just have the upper and lower class survive.

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Diversity works as long as you don't have a narrow view of what "America" is. If you see America as a WASPy cultural center, then sure, your America is under attack and is losing miserably. If you can see an America where people speak a lot of different languages, and where moral values shift and change according to the will of the people, then there's nothing threatened, only the definition is in flux.

That's the problem we have with quasi-Liberals in America, for that matter. They see the current trend toward conservative moral values and opposition to abortion as the destruction of their America. That's no different than people who are protectionist about culture, or language, or even race. America is going to be a reflection of the will of the people if it works honestly. The only way you can avoid such changes are to keep large segments of the population from expressing themselves politically.

Democracy is a threat for people like that, as in the Afghanistan discussion. They deem democracy to only be valid when the choices made reflect their values. Anything else is an 'end' to their nation.

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That's the problem we have with quasi-Liberals in America, for that matter. They see the current trend toward conservative moral values and opposition to abortion as the destruction of their America
They deem democracy to only be valid when the choices made reflect their values. Anything else is an 'end' to their nation.

It works both ways.

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"It works both ways."

Ah, but one side acknowledges that they are defenders of traditional values and their concept of "America." The other side claims to be open to all values and welcoming to diversity. In reality they welcome only that which doesn't threaten their view of "the way things oughtta be."

That's why I laugh when I hear people characterize Republicans as the ones who are stolid defenders of values against the flow of social evolution. Such ignores the fact that their mirrors are just blindly defending boomer liberalism, no different than if they were chanting "the bible tells me so".

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this guy sounds nuts to me

---Highbass

And once again, a voice which dares to speak out against the New PC Reality is casually dismissed as unhinged or mildly demented.
Everything he said is true. Change is not always a good thing. Europe's just having a GRAND time trying to assimilate all those hardheaded Muslim immigrants into what will one day soon undoubtedly be The Greater European Caliphate, or perhaps "Eurabia". Good luck to them.

Diversity dilutes national identities; makes nations forget who, what and why they are WHAT they are. It's happening as we speak, but is dismissed because the prevailing media agree with it.

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"Diversity dilutes national identities; makes nations forget who, what and why they are WHAT they are. It's happening as we speak, but is dismissed because the prevailing media agree with it."

That's a really scary thing to say, Rightwinger. We aren't a WASP nation, never have been, never will be. We've just always been good at shoving all the non-WASPS out of view. Before you start saying stuff like that you might should consider other people who thought their national identity was getting 'diluted' by all those other races...

America is a reflection of the population. If you think it is somehow a particular culture or set of values, you find me where it says so in the Constitution. The founding fathers made a concerted effort NOT to build-in the values of the hard-headed puritan immigrants that founded this place.

Creepy comment.

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That's a really scary thing to say, Rightwinger. We aren't a WASP nation, never have been, never will be.

---Baker

Right, but when our great-grandparents came here, they were expected, and indeed even WANTED, to assimilate. Learn the laws, culture, history and language. Become an American. If they wanted to honor old traditions and speak their native tongues in the home, or within their neighborhoods or crowds, fine; but they were expected to become AMERICANS.
That's been supplanted by an enforced respecting of Juan's Latino heritage, Hans' German heritage, Francois' French heritage, Abdul's Arabian heritage, etc., instead of requiring them to become AMERICANS. Instead of being AMERICANS, we're becoming a nation of Mexican-Americans, German-Americans, Franco-Americans (mmmmm...Spaghetti-O's and meatballs!

) and Arab-Americans. This is not a good change. It IS diluting our identity, this lack of a sense of unity (that saw us through other wars, for example), and is only serving to weaken us.

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That's why I laugh when I hear people characterize Republicans as the ones who are stolid defenders of values against the flow of social evolution. Such ignores the fact that their mirrors are just blindly defending boomer liberalism, no different than if they were chanting "the bible tells me so".

The Jabberwocky is working overtime I see! Excellent point.

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"Right, but when our great-grandparents came here, they were expected, and indeed even WANTED, to assimilate."

That's not really true, we just ghettoized them. There were neighborhoods in every major American city, and many non-major ones. I just saw a documentary on the Japanese in America during WW2, and so many of the immigrants couldn't speak English. They had their own banks, businesses, and they "understood" that wandering out of their part of the city wasn't in their best interest.

Almost every ethnicity was like that. It's easy to preserve your illusion that we have a homogeneous society because we so deftly kept them in little pens. Now, it isn't so easy, and you've lost your illusions. Sucks to be you, I guess, but that doesn't mean your illusion has ever been reality. Even white immigrants; the polish, the irish, the jews, the russians, all clumped in little neighborhoods and only were accepted when they disguised themselves with what you're referring to as culture.

"This is not a good change. It IS diluting our identity, this lack of a sense of unity (that saw us through other wars, for example), and is only serving to weaken us."

Who are you talking about when you say "our"? I think you mean "my", or at least "my ethnicity's". You've got no more business telling anyone what American culture is than they have telling you. American culture simply "is", as a reflection of who lives here. Efforts to preserve some illusion of what it "should" be is just hateful, in my opinion.

I have said similar things to what you are saying, but it isn't because I fear the dilution of the great wonderbread non-culture, rather the dilution of all the cultures that we have fed upon. We want japanese home decorating and chinese food and mississippi blues but we damn well don't want any of them to be considered American, so we strangle the culture out of the people who gave us those very things.

Shame on you, frankly. You're supporting a non-culture, in my opinion. I come from the whitest of white areas, the mountain people of southern Appalachia, Deliverence land, and I have seen what your so-called "American" culture has done to my own people. You aren't talking about a way of life, you're talking about a vaccuum that sucks the color out of everyone and makes them neat little members of the country club.

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I decided to write a blog to reply to this. https://forums.joeuser.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=6&AID=111390

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Almost every ethnicity was like that. It's easy to preserve your illusion that we have a homogeneous society because we so deftly kept them in little pens. Now, it isn't so easy, and you've lost your illusions. Sucks to be you, I guess, but that doesn't mean your illusion has ever been reality. Even white immigrants; the polish, the irish, the jews, the russians, all clumped in little neighborhoods and only were accepted when they disguised themselves with what you're referring to as culture.

You used to be a lot less hostile to opposing views, Baker. What's up lately?

As I said, if they wanted to speak their native languages and keep their traditions in their own homes and neighborhoods, fine. That's what America is built on, yes. Diversity. A whole lot of our traditions, foods and styles are based on those from other nations, after all. I love Chinese and Mexican foods.
But it's not good when they're encouraged to keep their loyalties to their native cultures and beliefs, even as they enjoy the benefits of American citizenship. That's what bothers me. They're not required to assimilate anymore; if you want to be American, it's okay to still be German, Russian, Arabian, whatever......that's what weakens us.
To be a strong, cohesive nation, everyone in it has to agree to do what's best for their country. German and Japanese immigrants less than one generation off the boat fought in both WWI and II, for our side, because they wanted to defend their country and its interests.
Hell, an entire division of Nisei (Japanese-Americans)which were kept in internment camps, volunteered to fight in Europe, just to show their loyalty as Americans. They were one of the most highly-decorated divisions in the whole war. We've allowed that ideal to become muddied by encouraging our immigrants to keep their own identities from the Old Country and not assimilate into America as loyal Americans.
I don't see any divisions of "loyal American" Iraqi immigrants in uniforms, do you?

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"But it's not good when they're encouraged to keep their loyalties to their native cultures and beliefs, even as they enjoy the benefits of American citizenship."

...do you hear yourself? It's not good that an American citizen is encoraged to stay loyal to their native cultures and beliefs? You can actually utter that and then wonder what is annoying about it?

Perhaps you could enlighten us about what real American culture and belief happens to be, in case some of us aren't in line with it either. There used to be schools for Native Americans that were meant to squeeze the native culture out of them, but they didn't work out too well.

"They're not required to assimilate anymore; if you want to be American, it's okay to still be German, Russian, Arabian, whatever......that's what weakens us. "

How, exactly does it weaken us? What are they omitting from their American experience? You can talk about "American" like it is some sort of definition, but you couldn't for a moment define what it is. Obviously they aren't required to agree with you politically, since many people of your own culture don't. They aren't required to fall in line religiously. What do you propose they do more than they are to "support their country?" How they dress?

Most of those Japanese who fought in WW2 went right back to their Japanese communities and went right on living as people of Japanese culture right here in the US. Some I saw interviewed spoke Japanese during the interview. A shame they didn't assimilate.

"I don't see any divisions of "loyal American" Iraqi immigrants in uniforms, do you?"

No, because thank God we are no longer nasty racists who divide up our armed forces into colored or iraqi or japanese divisions anymore. You have no idea whatsoever how many Americans in the military come from an Iraqi heritage.

I would suggest you think really hard about what American culture is. Don't include Irish culture, or Polish culture, or Jewish culture, or British culture, or French culture or any other that isn't "American". You subtract all that and then let me know what's left over.

You aren't asking people to adopt a culture, you're asking them to be cultureless. There is no American culture that isn't impossibly tied to a half-dozen other ethnicities and cultures.

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I have to be honest with you, Rightwinger, and tell you that I think the things you have said here have been bigoted and ignorant. I don't like illegal immigration, and I don't like folks that come in and simply take what they can and leave.

But to tell people who are just as "American" as you that they need to assimilate to your beliefs and culture is about as unamerican as it gets. You sound just like WW2 era Germans talking about their Volk, and how the influx of other cultures weakened it.

As someone who has seen his own culture dissolved into the great American wonderbread wasteland, I think you should reflect on what culture mainstream America has left. I think you'll find little there to point to that isn't as generic as a TV newscaster. That isn't good, that's tragic.

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KFC Kickin For Christ

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A few years ago I spent a week in FL when my son's basketball team went to the National Playoffs. I was extremely upset to find all the workers in the hotel couldn't speak English. To ask for an extra towel or for them to clean a room was bothersome. They would look at me blankly when I asked a question. To me, this was un-American. Half of the time I did not get what I requested most likely because they did not understand.

One of the differences between the immigrants of yesteryear and today is the desire to learn our language. In the past learning the language and quickly was advantageous but today, it doesn't seem to matter. There's plenty of work for them whether or not they can speak the language of this country. I agree with RW. How can we come together as a whole when we can't even understand each other? Can you imagine what the Revolutionary War would have looked like or even the Civil War with people of all languages working together side by side?

I felt like I was the odd man out here in my own country just asking for help getting the basic things in life. If I didn't know any better I would have thought I was in Cuba or Mexico. I have decided the next time I will check out and find another hotel if possible. I'm sorry if that sounds bigoted or ignorant, but when I stay in an American hotel I expect to converse to the employees in my own language. If I stay in a Hotel in Mexico, I do not expect that but fully expect to be the minority.....but not here in my own country.

You used to be a lot less hostile to opposing views, Baker. What's up lately?

ya Baker.....what's up?

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"ya Baker.....what's up?"

Someone says that American citizens shouldn't be allowed to be loyal to their cultures and beliefs, and you ask ME what's wrong? What's wrong with you that you aren't outraged? I've been fighting myself not to come out and call it a Nazi point of view, but if it quacks like a duck...

"One of the differences between the immigrants of yesteryear and today is the desire to learn our language."

As I said above, that's a myth. We have always had huge immigrant areas in every major city with lots of people who didn't speak English. In the past they were just too afraid of the attitudes portrayed here to wander out. Sadly, we've given them the impression that we're different now. Evidently, we aren't.

"How can we come together as a whole when we can't even understand each other?"

In a nation with a double digit percent of people who don't speak English, how can we come together if people insist on refusing to learn a second language just because they are too bigoted and stubborn to do so?

"Can you imagine what the Revolutionary War would have looked like or even the Civil War with people of all languages working together side by side? "

You mean, like, German Hessians fighting with the British and Frenchmen fighting with the Colonists?

"I felt like I was the odd man out here in my own country just asking for help getting the basic things in life."

It's their country, too.

"I'm sorry if that sounds bigoted or ignorant, but when I stay in an American hotel I expect to converse to the employees in my own language."

No, you obviously aren't sorry. There is no "American" language that should be spoken in American hotels. You speak English, not American. Many of the words you use every day aren't even English. You don't have "my own language". Get used to the idea; anything else is trying to hold back the tide with a broom.

It's hopeless. I'll stop interfering in your volkish love-in and write my own blog on it.

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we just ghettoized them. There were neighborhoods in every major American city, and many non-major ones. I just saw a documentary on the Japanese in America during WW2, and so many of the immigrants couldn't speak English. They had their own banks, businesses, and they "understood" that wandering out of their part of the city wasn't in their best interest.

i've pointed this out in several previous discussions in which it was claimed a.) previous generations of immigrants could hardly wait til they were handed a shovel, not merely cuz it was a tool with which to work 16 hours a day so they could buy cool clothes to wear hunting foxes with big american breasts but because it was the 19th century equivalent of an electronic translator--a screen on which they could write with charred sticks ala lincoln--enabling them to learn english within weeks. b.) todays newcomers are so arrogantly determined to impose their cultural, national traditions and language on us they happily subdivide garages in order to stay close to their homeboys & girls.

you've said it so much more skillfully, bakerstreet. i'm truly humbled.

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Someone says that American citizens shouldn't be allowed to be loyal to their cultures and beliefs, and you ask ME what's wrong? What's wrong with you that you aren't outraged?

I never said that. I think having traditions in one's own culture is great, and I love learning about other cultures. I have no problem with that even if they celebrate these things in this country.

So you're saying what? We need to learn Arabic so we can learn to discuss with our Arabic neighbors? We need to learn Spanish and French as well so we can know how to ask for a towel in said language?

You mean, like, German Hessians fighting with the British and Frenchmen fighting with the Colonists?

and what percentage are we talking here? Now imagine you're on the front line with an Arabic youth on your right and a spanish man on your left; your life is depending on them. You're barking out orders to them. How does this work?

So you think that's the reason many don't speak a second, third or fourth language? Because they are bigoted and stubborn? Well in the school system I grew up in I was offered French and Latin. That's it. As you most likely know, the best time to learn a language is when one is young. I do not believe I was bigoted and/or stubborn because I cannot converse in another language. You're way out of line here Baker.

It's their country, too.

then they should learn to speak the language of this country. I would expect no less myself if I moved to Brazil, Korea or Russia. I would learn the language and do my best to speak it out of respect for my new adopted country.

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