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WHY IS THE MOSLEM WORLD SEETHING WITH RAGE

WHY IS THE MOSLEM WORLD SEETHING WITH RAGE

WHAT THE WEST CAN DO

A few weeks back a Danish newspaper published a picture of Prophet Momammad, peace be on his name. The cartoon showed the Prophet wearing a bomb in his turban. The Moslem world was just aghast at this irreverential portrayal of the Prophet. Since then the fires have been raging in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Western embedded media says that it is a clash between Freedom of Expression and an increasingly intolerant Islam. This view is wrong because there are laws in all Western countries against Blasphemy and Racism. No one can claim the right to publish a cartton dishonoring Jesus Christ and claim that freedom of rxpression protects him/her. Therefore the principle of Freedom of the Press or ERxpression is not involved. The Wesrern Media is claiming unto itself the Right to dishonor Islam in the name of Democratic Freedoms. As Oliverm Wendell Holmes once said. you cannot shout fire in a crowded theatre and then claim that the act and its consequenes are covered by the First Ammendment. The present case is similar.

There is a strong feeling in the Islamic world that the West is trying to undermine Islam as a religion and civilization by constantly depicing it as a fundamenmtalist, aggressive, lawless force. The anger that is spilling on to the streets is a spontaneous expression of the frustrations that people feel when their sacred symbols are cynically violated.
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Reply #101 Top

The point of view that you wxpress is mainstream European or even American. All that I am saying is that Islam like any other world religion has its share of troublemakers and we should not tar the entire civilasation as being intolerant and bigotted. There is also the fact that the West is politicvally and militarily at an advantage today and this makes Moslems extremely defensive.

And what we are saying is that Islam has MORE than its share of trouble makers than other religions.

It's all in the percentages.  Where Islam is, there is bloody borders, violence and intolerance. 

Let's use an analogy -- prescription drugs.  If someone makes a drug that has very serious side effects in 1% of those who take it, it gets pulled off the market, period. The DO NOT say "Well, sure, but some people have problems with Asprin too."  There is a problem with Islam. Period.  It's not like Muslims running around blowing stuff up and murdering innocents is something new.

There is something wrong with Islamic culture.  And I hope they are able to solve it before one of their followers does something like blow up a US city.  Because I know American culture too and I know what a democratic people would do in response and the result would not be pretty for the Islamic world.  (one only needs to look at the US response to 9/11 to envision what is going to happen if Muslims blow up an entire city one day). 

Muslims need to clean up their house before the west does it for them. 

 

Reply #102 Top

one only needs to look at the US response to 9/11 to envision what is going to happen if Muslims blow up an entire city one day


Michael Moore would immediately make a movie about how Republican greed finally destroyed a city.
Reply #103 Top

It’s interesting how so many of the right-wingers here at JU are speaking out against the Muslim culture of violence and hatred when 97% of the Iraqis we “liberated” from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein are Muslims, many with the same tendency towards hatred and violence. With the current cost of the Iraq war approaching 240 BILLION dollars and costs when we’re finished with this mess estimated at 2 TRILLION dollars, not to mention all the casualties, what the hell are we doing over there?

Wow, what an idiotic and off-topic comment.

Reply #104 Top

Yes. That is the problem. The positions have hardened into habits and the West believes that it can cruush the Moslem world. Unfortunately, Arab nationalism is now replaced by a pan Islamic Jehadist mentality thaT BODES ILL FOR PEACE IN THE WORLD.

Yes but here's the thing -- the west CAN crush the Muslim world. The only thing that seperates the Islamic world from being a smooth glass surface is western tolerance.  Because I suspect if roles were reversed, they would have already done far worse.  As has been pointed out, Iran's leader promises to wipe Israel off the map and is pursuing nuclear weapons.  Well guess, what? The west could wipe Iran off the map any time it wants. It doesn't because it has something that many prominent Muslims don't have -- decency.

At some point, the Islamic world will do something that will be horrific beyond compare and it will shatter western tolerance and that will be the end of Islam. 

Supporters of Islam need to clean their houses not for the west's benefit but for their own long term survival. 

Reply #105 Top
"Yes but here's the thing -- the west CAN crush the Muslim world. "


But only if we forgo the whole "occupation, build them new infrastructure, set them up a new government' crap. Iraq I can understand because they were an oppressed people. Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc., I don't feel sorry for their populations. There is oppression there, but they are a party to it in ways the Iraqi people weren't.

So sure, we could rip the Middle East a new one, but could we do it without changing their diaper for years thereafter and breaking our economy in the process? It would require us to grow a backbone, and ignore what the old-world, has-been empires in Europe have to say about it.
Reply #106 Top
why you think , really think about, the united states never fought white country , know the history, of america , and yes i was born in america.
---mecca7

Maybe Latin, Central or South America.
If you're a native-born American, and citizen of the US, you're a splendid testimony to what the liberals have done to the educational system here.
Reply #107 Top
There seem to be a lot of bashing of people with a liberal view, based on stereotypes.

I'd like to think all right wing people aren't one homogenous mass. Do you want to prove me wrong?

And I am for a two state land of Israel and Palestine. I don't think Palestine conduct themselves very well, and I opposed Arafat getting the peace treaty which was obviously done for strategy.
Reply #108 Top
"Islam was hijacked by leaders in the Middle East to keep people ignorant and obedient. " - Baker

That is the greatest most insightful remark that i have ever heard.... i 120% agree with that remark...
Reply #109 Top
"The Muslim faith may not be a religion of violence, but it is certainly a religion which accepts and tolerates, and in countless instances openly advocates, violence against infidels." -daiwa

so according to you... 1.3 billion Muslims are indoctrined into following the path of hate... and these 1.3 billion people are looking to get us non-muslims? ... interesting...

"As soon as those peace-loving Muslims rise up and put an end to the terrorism being carried out in Allah's name, I'll accept your comparison as valid. " -daiwa

so when Germany was under Hitlers rule... im sure there was quite a few who didn't see his vision relating to massacre of Jews.... but they didnt step-up .. so (what im understanding for your remark) you can categorize a whole germany as nazi hating Jews... well i think it might be because they were opressed by the government... and forming a coalition to riot against the government wasnt as simple ... mainly because of the Gespato..

Similarly, you think anyone enjoyed being under Stalins rule? but then again forming a riot was impossible because if one person wanted to speak out he was killed.... how can one person even form a riot if he is shot before asking the second person to join his cause? ...

its not as easy to rise as you believe... opression has a lot to do with it... look at what happened in Iraq after America liberated the people... although there is still some fear but most people are openingly speaking up now because they dont feel their life is in-danger...





Reply #110 Top
"Who do you think is more successful in the attempt to create that illusion?

Cartoonists or suicide bombers?" - Leauki

how about media instigating on the situation and blowing it out of proportion? we have seen it happen with many situations... media does what is in its interest... ie.. when the Rwanda situation was taking place... you didn't hear anything about it withn the our Major media outlets... because it wasnt in their interest... (dont bash me for bad example i cant htink of anyhting else at moment)

I am TOTALLY against the nonsense that has occured around some dumb cartoons.. dont get me wrong... but I think the media has a huge role in blowing this shit out of proportion... media twists up stories and events so it can get better ratings etc... there was one example .. CBC (candian news) broadcasted a short documentary about 911 and events unfolding around it... they showed a Clip that CNN aired showing Egyptians celebrating... and CNN said they were celebrating because the 9/11 attack was successfull.... the reporter for the documentary then showed the same clip occuring couple of years back ... the real reason of the celebration was totally different from what CNN portrayed it... so i guess my point is that Media outlets take stories blow it out of proportion to their own interest.... they show that the whole muslim world is Shocked and in rage... whereas its a group of fanatics who are participating in the retardness... and frankly tranishing the image of their culture...

Reply #111 Top
"You, and Muslims all over the world, must understand that while this cartoon is an insult to you, the demand that our freedoms be changed to meet the Islamic standard of "respect" is a great threat to us. What we publish in our newspapers doesn't change the way Muslims in other coutries go about their business. The demands from Islam seek to change the very fabric of what we call freedom, and they are demands that are pushed forward under threat of violence." - baker



"Christians and Jews were also not the only ones mistreated by Islam. Treated as badly were people of the Hindu faith, which didn't get any consideration as "people of the book". - Baker



i have to tell you man Baker you are on money with your statments... Whatever you say i have to say 99% time i agree with it...

me being a person who was born into the Islamic culture and partly born into muslim family (my mom is muslim rest of us are basicaly atheist or secular) this hatred is manfested within the religion and unfortunately in the culture... its 100 percent true... but the thing is that quite a large population dont actually buy into this shit... but they dont do anything about it... its because the corrupt government supports the radicalist side of the the whole situation in-order to push their own agenda.... its quite retarded and complicated but the hate is cultivated into the culture and the people who do buy into this shit are the ones these governments propogate to their advantage...

i personally hate the arab countries (not the people but their political structure) i detest it... they are animals ... and Iraq is a good measure of change that will happen in middle-east... you know whats funny ... these arabs support palestine and its actions... but say if a palistine wanted to come to any of these arab countries to move away from the drama and get settled start a new life and get citizenship? they treat him like a scum... dont give them citizenship... they consider them to be scum of the earth (arab on arab discrimination)... thats the problem.... thats why i believe that Iraq is a good stepping stone to move away from this type of nonsense...
Reply #112 Top
Welcome to the discussion, highbass.

so according to you... 1.3 billion Muslims are indoctrined into following the path of hate... and these 1.3 billion people are looking to get us non-muslims? ... interesting...


No, that's not what I said at all. A significant number of those 1.3 billion Muslims are indoctrinated in following a path of hate, to be sure, but hardly all. Those who are not, however, and I'm talking about the religious leadership, not ordinary folk, do not appear to be making a visible effort to counter that indoctrination.

"As soon as those peace-loving Muslims rise up and put an end to the terrorism being carried out in Allah's name, I'll accept your comparison as valid."


Clearly the majority of Germans were at the time either unaware of what was happening or were passively complicit in the holocaust. There were notable exceptions, but too few of them. This was a state-organized and operated extermination program - you can't dispose of 6 million souls without many thousands knowing and participating. And the comparison is not really apt, anyway - the Wahabist view has not been imposed, under penalty of incarceration or death, on all Muslims. Other Muslim clerics are free to reject terrorism & hate, as are ordinary Muslims, and to actively oppose it - there is no equivalent of a Stalin or Hitler in the Muslim world imposing this notion that terrorism is to be tolerated or condoned. Muslims shouldn't point to Hitler or Stalin as some sort of excuse for tolerating the terrorists in their midst.

Your comments suggest that there is much more agreement between our views than not. I meant no insult to individual Muslims; I just think, given how peace-loving Muslims vastly outnumber the terrorists, they are the most likely to succeed in convincing their own adherents that the path of violence and hate has a dead end. I have to admit, however, that the cartoon fiasco has raised doubts in my mind about the proportion of Muslims who are truly "peace-loving."
Reply #113 Top
there is no equivalent of a Stalin or Hitler in the Muslim world imposing this notion that terrorism is to be tolerated or condoned.




suddam was... and Muslim world tolerating terrorism? ... (correct me if im wrong) but all Arab states are self-proclaimed Islamic states... and by letting mullahs preach about terrorism and how it is the way... i think the state infact are themselves advocating terrorism....
what im tring to say is that the way the government structure if these countries run... its either the Head of the states way or the highway (which usually leads to painful death)....
Also, believe me most of the Arab states they have somthing similar to Gestapo's ... we (or i guess most of the World) just dont know about it... similarly like we didn't know about Stalin and the extent of his influence during his reign... matter of fact every now and then history channel talks about how a new massacre grave was found in Russia relating back to Stalin... you will never know the extent of these leaders enforcement until you live in one of these places and find out yourself... i for one hand did used to live in a middle eastern country... but since my father was will connected... our family didn't have a big issue at all.. it was like everything was normal... except until recently some of the stories my dad told me even shocked me...... unfortunately everything in these countries are controlled by big brother... and in their case big brother unfortunately happens to be Islam... or more specfic it is Mohammed...

(please dont take offense to what i mean by "big-brother" ... big-brother is just an imgery of control... if you understand that then you'll understand what i mean)

"you can't dispose of 6 million souls without many thousands knowing and participating." - daiwa

again back to Stalinism era... he was quite effective doing such...

Your comments suggest that there is much more agreement between our views than not. I meant no insult to individual Muslims;




for most part I totally understand your feelings.... and I dont take offense to your opinion but my only resentment is that you categorize a whole nation of people because some idiots hide behind the name of the religion...



as for Muslims not doing much to want change... well i will go dwell on my whole point on oppression (the Pillar reason America stepped in Iraq to change...)... Of course people are not gonna step up to force change... its not that simple... no one wnats to risk their familes, their children, their own lifes without being sure of change... i mean there is more to it that what i am saying but its difficult to start a revolt without being sure of positive outcomes...



BUT



look at the voting that occured in Iraq and Afghanistan... people are actually stepping up to these polls to vote... the minute Suddam was removed as its leader people actually start speaking out and you here all these people getting interviewed on TV that are from Iraq openly speaking their mind because they are not Afraid of somone coming and killing their family or them etc.. so ... if you think that the voting in Iraq is not a fundamental step that these people are taking, risking their lives for change... if you think they are not proving themselfs still then my friend i think we disagree more then we agree..
Reply #114 Top
you categorize a whole nation of people because some idiots hide behind the name of the religion...


I haven't explained myself well, then, because that's not how I feel or what I mean to say. Painting all adherents with the same brush is wrong and dumb. Nonetheless, there is no single "nation" of Islam and not all Muslims are subject to Saddam-like regimes; probably a majority are not, and it seems many are indeed in a position to actively oppose terrorism.

I am encouraged by your comments about the developments in Iraq - I am in complete agreement there, but your message doesn't get disseminated well by our media.
Reply #115 Top
I am in complete agreement there, but your message doesn't get disseminated well by our media



and there lies the real issue... like i said earlier... its the media that corrupts our minds...

a perfect example of media catering to their interest was what happened recently when Bush went to Pakistan for a conference with Musharaf... I first watched the news on GEO TV (which is a pakistani new broadcasting station) and they talk about how Bush and Musharaf got along very well and they were on the same terms etc... and then later that night i tune into CNN... and they totally showed a different side of the story... they showed how Bush and Musharaf were disagreeing during their press conference speech and were not on the same level and then they show tidbits of clips relating to the press conference...

i personally was quite amazed and stunned at how much CNN twisted up the story... especially because i watched the whole 3-4 hours of the press conference and not for a moment did i feel that there was any sort of content/hostility etc...

I guess what im rambaling about is that news outlets (no matter where) always twist to their needs in-order to properly juice the story and get majority of public to form an interest to increase their ratings...
Finally, daiwa i understand your resentment regarding the whole cartoons issue believe me you and me are in what i call a "logical society" (to much extent) we are in countries whose political structure is not influenced by a religion (to a great extent) therefore we look at things in a "better" light (im not saying we are superior to others... just that we have the choice to express our toughts therefore paving way for logical open-mind thinking)... Whatever might be the incentive for America going to War in middle east (people say oil etc...) frankly i dont care what it is... because i perceive myself as an humanitarian and i see that what America has done in Iraq far outweighs anything bad i originally conceived .. and in-order for manklind to progress (and we should all progress together no matter what race, skin color, religion etc...) such can only be done by giving man the ability to think and express his own feelings... and you know what the funny thing is... the people who appreciate what America did the most in Iraq is none-other then Iraqi's themselves... you go next time and find somone who is Iraqi and you ask him what he thinks about the whole deal with Iraq... ill bet you that he will cry in joy... Im from Canada and im sad to say but American news outlets are disgusting to me... if you ever get a chance to watch CBC ... you watch and see the message and how different things are told... not to long ago there was a documentary on CBC news about an Iraqi family who had relatives in Iraq and moved to Canada etc... basically it was news coming from the primary source and frankly there whole story was quite touching... i have many Iraqi friends and they are all on the same boat us most of us abotu Suddam and what a bastard he was... the real problem we have is that media never focuses on the Good... its always pushing this bullshit of the bad and such (probably because it does get our attention)... I bet you many headaches we have today would have been resolved if the media was honest with their news in the first place...
Reply #116 Top
Thanks for sharing your perspective. It is both gratifying and disheartening to hear that the bias of our media is so evident to people like you outside the US. I have reason to believe there is more than just ratings in play, however - there is a collective mindset at CNN (& many other news organizations) which is fundamentally hostile to the administration and believes down to their bones that "regime change" is needed here.

I don't believe there is an orchestrated conspiracy among the various media organizations, but there is enough commonality of bias as to appear that way at times. They also follow a very transparent & consistent pattern - repeatedly telling us "XYZ is bad", then as the drumbeat of repetition eventually begins to persuade people that XYZ might be bad, they start trumpeting articles about how "the American public increasingly believes XYZ is bad", which is their way of saying, "See, I told you so" - a completely manufactured cycle of self-fulfilling prophecy. And they actually award themselves prizes for this.
Reply #117 Top
My daughter has converted to Islam and since then has become a terrorist sympathizer.
So what does that tell you about Islam?
If a newpaper printed a picture depicting Christ as a child molester Christians would ignore it because they know it not to be true, and there would not be the violence that has occured in the Islamic states. Perhaps Islam believes that the cartoon depiction is true!
Reply #118 Top
It is both gratifying and disheartening to hear that the bias of our media is so evident to people like you outside the US.


A funny example, although slightly off-topic... I'm norwegian, and I follow both BBC World and CNN Europe (CNN is divided into many channels, CNN, CNN Europe, CNN Asia and possibly more, who switch among themselves to cover news, sometimes with confusing results when they go into or out of each other midsentence).

In norway there was an oil worker strike awhile ago. Now, norway is one of the largest oil exporters in the world and oil is a the crucial factor of the norwegian economy, but the state oil company, Statoil, decided to shut down or do a lock-out (the employers "strike" ability) on the non-unionized employees in protest against the strike while this row was settled. This is not that unusual here, we don't have the american historical traits of unions being allied with organized crime etc. In fact, 1/4th of the norwegian population is unionized and its not mandatory to be in a union here. Likewise, employers have their own "unions" of sorts. It all balances out.

Anyway, BBC World reported that there was an oil worker strike/oil company lockdown in norway and wrote/spoke briefly about the points of discussion between the parties and that was that. Nothing big.

The CNN report however was much differently angled. The american news anchor who talked to the norwegian CEO of Statoil almost pleaded with him to end the lock-out and seemed to almost paint a picture of norways bankruptcy being imminent any moment if they continued, while the CEO himself was completely relaxed, which seemed to scare the anchor even more. Now it could just be that particular anchor, but this stands out in my memory as particularily funny.

Reply #119 Top
My daughter has converted to Islam and since then has become a terrorist sympathizer.
So what does that tell you about Islam?


i dunno what it tells me about Islam but your daughter she might be in love with a terrorists or is planning to become one herself...
Reply #120 Top
My daughter has converted to Islam and since then has become a terrorist sympathizer.


I think some people who join "rebel" groups (if you can call terrorist cells/groups such) but it would be like a punk/goth group, criminals, theatre, opposite of her parents political party irrelvant of where they stood, or similar, as a way of carving her own independance or as a sort of rebellion against the established system or status quo or to get attention/recognition for being just "different" or not mainstream.
It could be because of feelings of disillusionment, loneliness or that such groups tend to, like alternate religious movements for example or even neo nazi groups, to be very inclusive and welcoming of new members and feelings of loyalty grow strong and fast.
Reply #121 Top
"Islam was hijacked by leaders in the Middle East to keep people ignorant and obedient. " - Baker


This is not a new concept. It has been repeated in history more than a few times. A more famous and recent incedent would be Nazi Germany.



I don't know enough about Islam, and it is my fault that this is true, but I am very sure that this Middle East thing has more to do with the people in power than Islam the religion.
Reply #122 Top
My daughter has converted to Islam and since then has become a terrorist sympathizer.
---JB

I've noted that any recent convert to any religion is usually much more zealous than those born and raised into it.

For my part, it's sad that anyone would convert to such an intolerant and hateful faith; I wonder how she'd feel if she went to live in a Muslim country where they still practice the old ways? Where they consider women to be property that happens to be able to make babies. Where a woman can be stoned to death for daring to wear nail polish, or even forv simply showing her face.
I have no idea where you live, of course, but I bet you don't live in such a country.


If a newpaper printed a picture depicting Christ as a child molester Christians would ignore it because they know it not to be true, and there would not be the violence that has occured in the Islamic states. Perhaps Islam believes that the cartoon depiction is true!
---JB

In my view, Islam is simply a childish religion. Its faithful are frequently given to tantrums because they are part of a faith that nutures stunted emotional and intellectual maturity and thin-skinned views.....this combination leaves them very easily offended.
They're told by their most popular "clerics" (most of whom have agendas more politcal than spiritual) that their problems are the fault of everyone but themselves, when their problems come mainly from Islam itself. It's left them in the Tenth Century while everyone else has moved on to the Twenty-First.
Reply #123 Top
dear all

just wanted to make the record streight for all. I have read these articles posted above and read alot of hate and misunderstandings. regarding islam , it is a 1400 year old religion . for those who believe it has been an intolerent and its followers discultured and barbaric are wrong. Islamic nations in the middle ages were the most cultured people in the world , they were rich in science and arts , Algebra , astronmy , much had alot to do with Islam (algebra for example came from the scientist Al Jabr). Thus islamic nations at one time were extremely scientific and spiritual, if you read Mohammads biographies , u will understand that he was a very tolerant and Just man.

the main reason why u see islam in this stage is :

a) the introduction of the Alwahab sect
b)World war I and the inception of Saudi Arabia
c) the soviet afghan war
d) 9/11 and the potrayal of islam in western civilization

the Alwahab sect

Islam like christianity is devided into sects each quite different from the other , in the late 19th century a man with extremely rigid beliefs about islam rose up who was called Al wahab who spread a very rigid and fundamentalistic approach to islam , he spread a religion which took away the rights granted to women (btw did u know that in the 14th century women were treated as cattle and it was islam that gave them rights and protection , kinda wierd as how islam is potrayed these days)
anyway , the alwahab sect gained popularity amongs local beduins in saudi arabia.

b) world war I

Islam prior to world war I has a head , something like the pope called the Khalifa, at the time most of non colonized islamic states were ruled by the ottoman empire. in world war I , the khalifa made the blunder of allying with the axis , thus the british sent an agent to destabalize the ottoman rulership by inciting the local arab bedouins , he quickly gained trust of the bedouins (who were wahabi and thus apposed to the ottoman way of moderate and enlightened islam) and set out to destabalise the ottomans by bombings of civilian outposts and rails (terrorist actvities no) well gues who he was , yes good old Lawrence of Arabia. well after that the ottomans were overthrown and saud took over arabia and became its king (he was of the wahibi faith) he took over islams most holy site , the city of Maccah and the kaaba.

Soviet afghan war

soviet afghan war was another turning point in the radicalization of islam , this is when america setup equipments stocks , the arabs provided the money, there was a call for jihad to fight the amercans war and special agents were inserted to train these people (guess who the agent was , yes none other than OBL himslef) anyway the soviet union defeated , america withdrew and walah power vacuum . Osama realises yes he has the weapons and the money now . At this point good old saadam mr secular , americas pal (fighting a war against iran heavily sponsored by america) decided to flex his muscles and launched an invasion into kuwait, threatning both saudi and american interests . OBL contacted the arabs and told em he had the striegnt to drive off the iraqis , the saudis rejected his proposal and went to america instead. OBL after desert storm 1 decided he needed cash and a ready supply of people to exert his pressure onto the world , thus cutting a v long story short the wto first bombing , plane highjackings and finally 9/11

9/11 and islams potrayal

well after 9/11 OBL became the defacto figure for islam , a person with aspirations purely political with nothing to do with islam who manipulated the youth of islam , playing on their emotions (there is alot of injustice in the world my friends , when one sees a picture of a victim in bosnia and cosovo , in chechnea and kashmir and in palastine , it is kinda hard , imaging what that must do if one is a) young and full of fervor and b) less educated). The media has also done its bid in potraying islam as vicious and insensitive which is clearly not the case ,

In response to a comment earlier that the 'minority' according to him which is moderate and does nothing about the terrorists well , with all the might of america , has it been able to root out extremism and terrorism , how can moderate people root it out just like that without addressing the causes of this , u see the causes are quite different , we dont live in a game where everything is good or evil , no its different , there are shades of gray , the main reason for extremism is because there is too much social injustice in the world, u see there is no balancer , people who live in civilized nations like you and me cant imagine life in countries where basic social freedoms are supressed , not necessarilly by the governments (though they have a large part) but by western civilization itself, where there is hunger powerty and lac of education, u see only the most desperate person can end his life , no doctorine can make a person take his own life ... no doctorine is that powerful..... its desperation and a feeling of total injustice which is in escapable. thus it is upto us ,

civilized people of today to understand and firstly learn to tolerate one another and then find the root causes like the ones mentioned above and try to settle them , only then can we achieve peace. Also i would like to add that actions of a few should not be considered actions of the second largest faith in the world , for God sake , there are millions of people following this faith who live amongst you , who are your friends and co workers can you seriously blame them for an illiterate who burns a flag in a mob of 50

I hope that you found my comments informative, they are in no way intended to hurt anyones faith or beliefs so it is important that you people understand not to hurt our beliefs, I am a muslim and have deep respect for Jesus and moses(who we believe are beloved prophets of God just like Mohammad)

kind regards
Reply #124 Top
might of america , has it been able to root out extremism , the answer is no , it has not , because the answer to rooting out extremism is notg through violence or hatred (infact that fuels it) its through tolerance understanding and education, you see there are alot of misguided people out there , people who think the world is against them that they have no hope , they need to be told that that is not the case , that they should not be inspired by the likes of OBL , people with purely political agendas , islam is a very tolerant faith , if you open qoran and read it you will your self appreciate its ethics and tolerence, they should be taught the true meaning which is broherhood and peace and the same goes for all of us here , I have seen alot of seething hate which in my opinion has stemmed from disinformation and the potrayel of islam in the media, we need to correct our perspectives aswell and realise that its not muslims that hate us (infact many muslim countries are allies in the war against terror) its the manipulative people like OBL and his extremist group who brainwash good kids into doing bad things by purposely making them mis interpret islam .

this reminds me alot of the cold war era really when all the time the tv was making the russians appear as evil ruuskies ..... were the people of russia evil ....

well thanks and kind regards
Reply #125 Top
Every day brings the world closer to a conflict between the Moslem world and most of the rest of the world. You can point to contributing factors on all sides but what can not be condoned is the violence that is used by any group to support their beliefs. That includes Moslems, Jews and Western countries (Iraq War).