[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="22" id="2674962"] Quoting Nitro Cruiser, reply 19Doc, have you considered taking on Roe v. Wade? Given the stupidity of the ruling itself, I doubt any amount of sanity and intelligence can change what is the biggest abortion of a ruling in the history (excuse me: Dred Scott ranks up there as well) of SCOTUS.[/quote] I'd look forward to a point by point debate on that case! I think we should do it!
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="15" id="2674098"] I am curious to see how my criticism of their belief on the matter crosses over into condemning them and what bearing that has on the actual arguments that I put forth. I really don't understand how the Vatican claims to care so much about human life, but when it comes to a 14 year old pregnant girl, a group of cells, invisible to the naked eye, trumps any idea that she should consider an abortion. That just
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="13" id="2673131"] I am just pointing out how I believe they are wrong, and I want to see others take on my belief, the Church's belief etc. Good response, (and I hate the "100 quote" answers) so I highlighted this statement to begin my response (and most will revolve around it anyway). I believe you went beyond disagreeing with them on their belief. You stated your disagreement and then proceeded to condemn them for not believing
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="10" id="2670855"] I believe that without abortion rights the least protected among us would be the 14 year old girl who is pregnant and is being forced to have a child she doesn't want. Did she "want" the sex? If she did want it, or was forced, either way makes no difference. Minors cannot legally consent to intercourse. judging the moral culpability of a minor by referencing the understanding and life experience
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="8" id="2670251"]Chaos, first of all, I'm not offended by you or anyone else having a difference of opinion. Let's take it one step further. Since you believe it is the woman's choice over life and death. Why shouldn't the woman be allowed to kill her children anytime, during or after birth? Three reasons, viability and woman's health, change from potential to actual. At a point (3rd trimester) during th
I did ask why the Church had their viewpoint and for interpretations of my reasoning against said Church's viewpoint. To me it doesn't matter if the posters posted their own feelings against abortion, or what they feel is the Church's reasons against it. For me, I felt that it was a good starting point for discussion, it matters little to me where we go with this conversation. I like the abortion debate, including the specific reasoning of the
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="4" id="2669730"]Aeortar and Nitro Cruiser both gave you very good answers to your question. And yet you either refuse to understand or cannot comprehend their answers. Let me put it in simpler terms. What gives YOU (or the 14 year old ) the right to decide who lives and dies? We are not talking of a bio mass here, we are talking about individual human beings. Wh
[quote who="aeortar" reply="1" id="2669648"] We wan't to control women, the second they are pregnant their will is subverted to others People choose whether to have sex. They have control over whether there is a chance they get pregnant or not, and should take responsibility for this. In the case of children, the parents should also take on a share of the responsibi
I really don't understand how the Vatican claims to care so much about human life, but when it comes to a 14 year old pregnant girl, a group of cells, invisible to the naked eye, trumps any idea that she should consider an abortion. That just strikes me as insanity. To me the issue is not about murder of the unborn or being pro-life, but really is, "We wan't to control women, the second they are pregnant their will is subver