EL-DUDERINO

[quote]Thanks for the comments. However, I'm not so ecomically illiterate as to not have thought of the objections raised. The issue is not one of inflation or hyperinflation. [/quote] But what you aren't taking into account is greed. If everyone instantly became millionaires because of a government hand out, or even just getting an extra 20 grand a year from a government hand out, don't you think companies are going to jump on that to get more money? Don't you think farme

[quote]this is true what you said, but why start out with a negative from the get go?[/quote] As bcshow has pointed out there are studies out there that show that children who grow up with homosexual parents are no worse off than children who grow up with straight parents. The main thing that kids need is love, having two loving parents no matter their sexual orientation is beneficial to the children. [quote]At least when a man and a woman marries, if they stay married a

This type of solution has been tried, and failed, before. Look up the phrase "Not worth a continental" and you'll find a similar story from when our nation was still a collection of English colonies. The problem with your solution is that it wouldn't just cause inflation it would cause hyperinflation where the value of the dollar would drop to nothing almost overnight. You think things are bad now just wait until it costs a few thousand dollars to purchase a gallon of milk.&

[quote]I believe governance includes giving a helping hand. [/quote] There is a big difference between a hand up (giving someone temporary help when they fall on hard times) and a hand out (giving someone something for nothing for an extended period of time), "spreading the wealth" is a hand out.

[quote]Homosexuals are rarely monogamous, often having as many as three hundred or more partners in a lifetime.[/quote] This statement is NOT based on fact it is based on hate speech plain and simple. Much like the literature that claims that homosexuals drink their own urine or are unable to control their sexual urges. Those statements are NOT based on any kind of fact and are purely fearmongering. If you actually believe this stuff I think we may have found our maj

[quote]when you said this in post #48 unless you mean youthful marriage? I read it as "tough" marriage. "We have been married for almost 7 years now, admitedly a yough marriage "[/quote] Sorry that was a typo I meant "young" which is why I mentioned the amount of time we have been married. I will respond to your other posts soon, I am short on time at the moment.

[quote who="KFC Kickin For Christ" reply="9" id="1929845"]I thought I gave plenty of reasons why homosexual marriage is devastating for society. So let me be very clear then with a few thoughts. 1. Children will suffer the most. 2. Legalization of homosexual marriage will destroy the traditional family. 3. Government schools in every state will be required to teach that homosexuality is equivalent to traditional marriage. So

[quote]There was very much a Christian consenus among the Founding Fathers. You need to read history books that are at least 60 years old to get the real truth. Did you know that?[/quote] I don't deny that the founding fathers were predominantly Christians, I don't think anyone would deny that, however what can't be denied is that we have the constitutionally protected right to follow whatever religion (or lack of religion) that we want and the government canNOT imose any religious se

[quote]First of all I'm looking at this totally opposite of you. You're looking at this as we're attacking homosexuality and I'm looking at this as an attack on marriage. [/quote] Nope. I'm not looking at this as an attack on anything I am merely asking if there is a reason, beyond religion, for disallowing homosexuals to marry. In all that you have said I still can't find one. You say that allowing homosexuals to marry is attacking the family, how? You have al

[quote]You can believe what you want. It doesn't make it true. [/quote] The same can be applied to you as well. You choose to believe in your interpretation of the bible, that doesn't make it true, "it's just like, your opinion man." [quote]First off, there is ONLY one interpretation of the bible but many applications. God says what he means. [/quote] As I said I'm not biblical scholar but it seems to me that there are MANY interpretations of the bible: Catholics

[quote]You can believe what you want. It doesn't make it true. [/quote] The same can be applied to you as well. You choose to believe in your interpretation of the bible, that doesn't make it true, "it's just like, your opinion man." [quote]First off, there is ONLY one interpretation of the bible but many applications. God says what he means. [/quote] As I said I'm not biblical scholar but it seems to me that there are MANY interpretations of the bible: Catholics

What everyone seemed to forget is that many presidents promise "change" during their run for the presidency, none as much as Obama but it happens frequently. Hell just look at Bush's speech when he accepted the nomination to run for President in 2000, he promised "change" just as Obama did. Change is a very subjective term that people assumed meant whatever they wanted to see changed, now we will see that very little will actually "change". The only way that anything will

[quote]And since there is no way to really resolve a religous debate in any meaningful sense, I'll say this: our Constitution is intended to make sure the government doesn't make laws that unduly discriminate against or bias in favor of a particular religous belief. If the only basis for banning gay marriage is a religious one, that's unconstitutional. So let's try to focus on the other reasons for and against gay marriage.[/quote] Thank you bcshow. This has been exactly what I'

[quote]You've got love and lust mixed up. Lust in in a hurry, Love is patient. Love is an action word not an emotion. Love is doing sometimes even when you don't feel like it. A mother with a cranky baby gets up night after night not because she feels warm and fuzzy but because she chooses to love her baby and get up. Parents go to work everyday when they don't feel like it to support their families. I make dinner sometimes when I don't feel like it because I love my husband. Peop

But if you penalize productivity then what is the motivation to produce? Take a regular old 9-5 job for example. If Joe, a guy who works his ass off coming in early and staying late completing all assigned early and taking on extra tasks, and Bob, a guy who comes in at 9 and leaves at 5 doing completeing all tasks on time but taking on no extra tasks, each are paid the same and get the same raise each year where is the motivation for Joe to continue working his ass off?&

[quote]Love is a choice. Marriage is a choice. Having sex is a choice. [/quote] Love is not a choice. Marriage and sex are certainly choices but you do not choose who you love, it just happens. Why deny someone the ability to express that love thru marriage just because you disagree with their love? [quote]It's quite clear and has always been clear until recently that homosexuality is a sin until recent days. [/quote] According to your bible it's also a sin

[quote]If I were raised by two dads and had no mother I think I'd be a bit resentful myself everytime I saw my girldfriend shop and snuggle with her mom on the couch. Every girl wants a mom. Every boy needs a dad. Sure they can do without if situations dictate but why are we looking for it? Why are we setting homes up like this when it's clearly not in the best interest of the children? [/quote] Just because you feel that you would act that way doesn't mean that all people would feel

[quote]For a gay/lesbian couple to attempt to make the child (boy or girl) to be like them when the child may not be gay/lesbian is a bit freightning to me, not that I am saying they all w ill do this, but people already complain about parents who try to keep their children from accepting they may be gay.[/quote] Is it any more right a parent to force their kids to be straight? Forcing someone to be something that they're not is wrong no matter how you look at it.

[quote]It all started with the 10 commandments. So like it or not...our country was founded on moral Christian principles and there is a truckload of evidence in the history books (not revisionist) to prove it. [/quote] No it did not. Many of our founding fathers were Christians that is true, but many of them were not, some were simply diests and others were athiests. In fact some of the Christians among them felt that religion was a private matter meant for the home rathe

[quote]EL-DUDERINO - Help me to understand. I find it odd that you would make the absurd claim that somehow it is unacceptable that one might guide political decisions with a particular religious outlook, that of a theist, and then demand that one uses a different religious outlook, that of the atheist. What happened to not establishing a state religion? Why do you appeal to the 2nd amendment when it comes to the Christian worldview only to throw away your argument to provide a special case f

[quote]Why are you calling him a socialist? He doesn't even come close to that! There are no socialist politicans in the USA.[/quote] There most certainly are. There's an entire socialist party in the USA, they even had a candidate running for president although he didn't make it onto most ballots.

[quote]There should be a clear distinction between a secular marriage contract (to establish rights of children and property) and a sacred one. If two people of any sex want to form a partnership of any combination let them and let the law handle that. And if you have sacred laws that agree or conflict . . . more power to youto handle it.[/quote] Well put. Maybe we should legally change all "marriages" termed civil unions and let the various religions perform marriag

[quote]If homosexuality can be proven scientifically then broadening the definition of marriage would be the appropriate term imo. [/quote] It has been. Not only do other species (specifically chimpanzes) engage in homosexual behavior it has also been shown on various brain scans that there is a marked difference between a heterosexuals brain and a homosexuals brain regard attraction. I don't have specific links to provide to you but the studies have been done. [qu

[quote]SO why do some people have to be more equal than others?[/quote] I don't think they do. I personally think Affirmative Action should have been done away with 10-15 years ago. I don't deny there was a time when we needed to ensure that minorities were getting a fair shake but any more it seems like some people are being put up because of their race when there is a more qualified person that should have gone up (hell sometimes it actually works against minorities).</p

For the record I am a fairly open minded guy. I like to attempt to understand where everyone is coming from no matter what the issue is. My questions in this thread are related to my attempting to gain that understanding and nothing more than that so please don't get offended by anything I might ask on here I am merely trying to gain an understanding from people and nothing more. [quote]As far as anyone being in the hospital room with another person I have no problem with