The Trellinator

Once again, Kerry beat Bush like a bad piece of meat.

I wonder how the family of one of our soldiers killed in Iraq would feel about that statement. Oh, I think plenty has come of their lies, and hopefully in November we'll be able to add a new administration to that list. Ah, the droning mantra of Bush-haters... Lies, Lies, Lies... and yet, nothing ever seems to come of i

I wonder what the family members of our troops who've been killed in action would think about that statement. Oh, I think that lots has come of their lies and hopefully come November we'll be able to add a brand new administration to the list. Ah, the droning mantra of Bush-haters... Lies, Lies, Lies... and yet,

I wonder what the families of our dead troops would think about that statement? Oh, I think that lots has "come of" their lies and hopefully in November we'll be able to add a new administration to the list. Ah, the droning mantra of Bush-haters... Lies, Lies, Lies... and yet, nothing ever seems to come of it...

It doesn't matter where they met or how they met and Edwards's attendance in the senate is really another matter altogether. It doesn't matter whether Edwards was there 100% of the time or 0% of the time. It doesn't matter whether they met on the senate floor or at a peep show. The point is that Dick Cheney lied, and nothing about Edwards--neither his attendance nor his memory--changes that, not one iota.

What? So now you want to pin Cheney's lie on Edward's memory? It doesn't matter if Edward remembered meeting Cheney or was too much of a fool not to mention it. If you buy the explanation that Cheney was innocently "mistaken" then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you in Arizona... Cheney's remark was clearly prepared. As the subject of th

Yeah, very bad satire...

i think what you're talking about here is the infamous "Global Test" statement, so here it is: No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why

This isn't about whether "we" did well, or semantics. This is about the fact that Dick Cheney told the American People a premeditated lie during the Vice Presidential debate. Is that semantics? Well, I guess that depends on what the definition of "is" is, right? And if open debate and God make you a "Candy Ass", then I suggest you move to China where they don't have either.

I find it hard to believe that you can sit next to someone as famous as the VP of the USA through an entire breakfast and not introduce yourself. So, they ignored each other for the whole event, didn't say a word to one another, pretended as though they didn't know who the other person was.? Come on, just admit it. It's the truth; Dick Cheney lied in front of the American People to score political points. Simple as that. You don't make

No, Cheney did not "mean" working". How the heck do you know what he meant anyway? Did you look into his soul? Let's not focus on what YOU think the man meant, let's focus on what the man said in front of God and the American people. "The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight." Please, he clearly did not say, that he had never met him on the senate floor (which, as you can see above, would have also bee

Yeah, and exept for the fact that Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, what Cheney said on that topic is true. And except for the fact that Saddam isn't tied to Al Qaida, what he said about that is true. And except for this picture, this quote from Cheney to Edwards "The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight." is also true.

I DON'T want diplomats in charge of the army and that's why I think John Kerry should be elected. The biggest difference between John Kerry and Bush--particularly in a time of war--is that John Kerry actually shed blood for his country. W, just seems to like making others bleed. Having said that, I do believe that if John Kerry had been in charge we wouldn't have gotten into this misbegotten war to begin with, but if we had I think we would ha

Link Fine then, don't believe the online polls, look at one of the networks via the link above. ABC had a poll that had Cheney winning by 8 pts, but they also had 8% more republicans in their sample. The CBS poll--even though the sample is too small to draw any hard conclusions, does show that this debate was at best (for edwards) another step toward

Daiwa,. A good start to a plan for securing Iraq would have been--as Shinseki argued for and Bremer now admits--putting more troops on the ground to prevent the looting and to provide security. I think they honestly expected to be welcomed as liberators...fools. This just shows that they were wrong to go in and beyond that, they were wrong in how they went in. And, Kerry and Edwards have said as much over and over and over and....

Here is an interesting quote from the CBS news site A CBS News poll of 178 uncommitted voters found that 41 percent said Edwards won the debate, versus 28 percent who said Cheney won. Thirty-one percent said it was a tie.

I guess I don't know what you're talking about. Are those Republican sites? Every poll I"ve looked so far, and of course this could change, jives with my honest assesment that Edwards won this thing.

What are you talking about? Currently after over 400,000 votes, msnbc.com has Edwards winning 69% to 31%. Unless that changes drastically (and I understand the sample may be biased, but it pretty closely matches what the same site said about Kerry v. Bush), most people think that Edwards defeated Cheney and I"d agree.

Yeah, my favorite was when he interrupted to ask for a 30 second rebuttal and then totally blanked out looking into the camera. Just what we need commanding the nations troops; someone who totally blanks out under pressure!

I totally disagree. I think Cheney showed tonight that he's completely out of touch with the real day to day concerns of the country: healthcare, jobs and education. Neither he nor Bush have a leg to stand on when it comes to these issues and it really showed tonight. Cheney could do nothing but continually stretch the truth as he always does, particularly when he talked about Iraq.

See, that's just it though, I don't think that they DID see ALL of the same information. The intelligence that is released to the congress and to the American People is first vetted by the President and his advisors. The President clearly had access to more information than 100 Senators. For instance, in the state of the union, the Pres. told us, and 100 Senators that Saddam was trying to get nuclear material from Africa. Well, ok, there's some inf

See, that's just it though, I don't think that they DID see ALL of the same information. The intelligence that is released to the congress and to the American People is first vetted by the President and his advisors. The President clearly had access to more information than 100 Senators. For instance, in the state of the union, the Pres. told us, and 100 Senators that Saddam was trying to get nuclear material from Africa. Well, ok, there's some inf

But Mr. Flamethrower, We told the wold that not only did Saddam have them, but that we knew where they were (presumably, that's how we knew that he had them). So, riddle me this. If we knew where the weapons were before war, when US troops weren't even on the ground. How is it that 2 years later, with US troops on the ground and our best inspectors combing the place we haven't turned up a thing worth writing home about? Did we advance so s

Yeah, that's a very good point; in fact, it does remind me of the situation with Iraq. And, the evidence now clearly shows that the strategy of how we dealt with Iraq--a strategy that was initiated by George HW Bush--worked. At the time that we invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein was absolutely no threat to the US or his neighbors. Did I miss something here? Where did John Kerry say that anything would be up to the N. Koreans alone? </

Once again, NOBODY IS SAYING WE SHOULD EXCLUDE OTHER NATIONS FROM THE TABLE. Go back to the original debate transcript and read: LEHRER: I want to make sure -- yes, sir -- but in this one minute, I want to make sure that we understand -- the people watching understand the differences between the two of you on this. You want to continue the multinational talks, correct? BUSH: Right. LEHRER: And you're wil