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"Religion of Peace" Burns Embassies

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"Religion of Peace" Burns Embassies

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In reaction to the publication of an offensive image of Mohammed, Protestors have taken to the streets, lighting the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus on fire. Apparently ignorant of the concept of free speech, this violence is in retribution for the governments allowing the publication of the offensive cartoon.

When discussing the outrage, pundits have rightly turned to the now notorious "Piss Christ" in order to establish relevance in our majority Christian society. It is an apt comparison. And the response of the offended groups in question show a decided difference between the way that practitioners of the Islamic and Christian faith react to offenses.

Now let me state that the Christian reaction to "Piss Christ" was, in my estimation, ridiculous. But at no time did it turn into violence. Let me further state that it is entirely possible that the thousands putting these embassies to the torch are not representative of the Muslim faith, but rather of fringe elements among the faith. As noted before (September 11, notably), whenever these attacks occur and are committed by Muslims, the mainstream Muslim community is slow to denounce them (the "Piss Christ" debate, on the other hand, was quite lively in the Christian community, and I still chuckle at the image of buttoned down pastors struggling to force out the word "piss" in their protestations of the controversial piece).

Muslim leaders have been working hard to remake the image of Islam into that of a group of peaceful citizens working to make the world a better place. And some of them are. Matter of fact, the MAJORITY of them probably are, or we'd have a whole lot more instability than we do. But there's a SIZABLE faction that is, indeed, Islam's ugly side, and it MUST be addressed before we can seriously consider Islam's claim for "peaceful religion" status.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well I don't think that's entirely right. Muhammad was a superfriend on South Park, and there was no burning of effigies. But then again the representation of Muhammad in that episode was far more positive than in the recent cartoons.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
The fact is the cartoons are just an excuse. If they printed cartoons mocking Christianity, there would have been no violence at all. Stop focusing on these cartoons and realize this is just an excuse.
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Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar told the Italian daily il Giornale on Saturday that the cartoons were an offense that should be punished by death.
"We should have killed all those who offend the Prophet and instead here we are, protesting peacefully," Zahar said."

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Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

>The other is some South-African political system of the past

This response says it all.
It reveals more about you (and your ilk) than you would ever believe.

You are bigots, racists to the core ...


Why, because I forgot to change my opinion about a culture of violence because of the race of the perpetrators? Wouldn't it be racist to do that?



>Problem is, we know all these things. We just don't happen to agree that the Jews in the
>middle east should leave for Europe or live as second-class citizens among Arabs.

But its OK for the arabs to live as second class citizens?


I don't care what political system they employ in their own countries. They certainly have enough to choose from.



You forget that before the mass immigration of russian jews into palestine (before and
after balfour accord) that area was overwhemingly arab and identified as such.


The exact population statistics of Canaan are a different matter as they certainly don't take into account the Jews fleeing from Arab countries where they had lived as second-class citizens (at best) for centuries.


In fact Ben Gurion and the Jewish Agency refused the implemenation of a government based on DEMOCRATIC votes .. because their numbers were low.


And in Germany non-Jewish Germans voted the Jews into death camps. What an evil bastard Ben Gurion was, eh?



I am practical about things ... you cant undo the past ... thats why I favor a two state solution ... not a state within a state as zionists would call for.


Which zionists call for a state within a state? The Zionists have ALWAYS accepted a two-state solution. It was the Arabs who refused it again and again, the last time in 2000.



A better idea would have been to partition Germany and give a portion to the Jews after all a German caused the problem. Why visit this on innocent arabs .. .and in that I fully agree with the Iranian President?


It's nice that you agree with the Iranian president. But you might have noticed, had you read more history books and fewer Iranian president speeches, that Germany was partitioned, twice. After World War I a huge area was given to establish Poland, even though the area had a German majority population. And after World War II more German land (the Prussian provinces of East-Prussia, Pommerania, and Silesia) were added to Poland, and the Germans had to leave.

BTW, in case you didn't notice, there is no need to partition Germany to give Jews a state, because Jews in Germany are full citizens, are allowed to vote, do not get slaughtered, and participate in normal German life. Jews in Germany do not need a separate state because Germany simply doesn't treat them as badly (any more) as Arabs treat their minorities.

Your "innocent Arabs" were very involved in what this "a German" did. And for all the bad things Hitler did, you can hardly blame him personally for how Arabs treated all minorities in general and their Jewish minorities in particular. The grand mufti of Jerusalem was not in Germany to discuss a cultural exchange, you know.

You are perhaps not aware of this, since your sources about history are apparently open to improvement, but Israel is NOT a colony of German Jews that escaped the holocaust. The majority of Israelis are sephardic Jews from the Arab world.

They are among the ones that the Iranian president wants to send "back" to Europe. They have never been there. They have a totally Arabic and Iranian background with no connection at all with Europe or America.

President whatever wants all the Jews sent to Europe or to be eliminated. If he succeeds the middle east will finally be Jew-free, after how many thousand years. And that you agree with him on the Germany plan shows either a surprising hatred or huge ignorance (or, more likely, both) on your part. Or what exactly does sending millions of Arab-, Persian-, and Hebrew-speaking to Germany entail in your opinion, if not a huge violation of their rights? Not even the most idiotic Jewish fundamentalist would argue that Palestinian Arabs should be send into a completely strange land with which they have no ties whatsoever. But Israel's opponents find such a plan acceptable for Jews. Odd, isn't it?

BTW, what's a "Palestinian"? Does "Palestinian" include those Jews whose families have lived in "Palestine" for longer than any Arab? According to the PA it does not, or do you ever hear of Jews among them? Perhaps if we remove the three-thousand-years old Jewish community from Hebron we can have peace? Is that what the "innocent Arabs" want?

After all, they already live in Jew-free countries for the most part. There is one left. And in it the Jews fought back.

Since you are "practical" I suggest you just deal with it.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

You forget [...]


BTW, I resent that you accuse me of "forgetting" something when I haven't said anything about the subject at all.

For example, _I_ don't know the exact population stats of Palestine before the division and before Jews were again allowed to settle there. (I assume laws that forbid Jews to live where they want to makes sure that no area would ever have a Jewish majority, well that didn't work.)

And I didn't say anything about it either.

So why do you accuse me of "forgetting" these stats?

If you have population stats, that's good for you. Now look at population stats from all the other countries Jews lived in, in the area and elsewhere and compare. Then look at what these other countries generally did and do to their minorities.

Then come back and explain why it would have been more moral or whatever for Jews to not move away from these countries into Palestine.