"Religion of Peace" Burns Embassies

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In reaction to the publication of an offensive image of Mohammed, Protestors have taken to the streets, lighting the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus on fire. Apparently ignorant of the concept of free speech, this violence is in retribution for the governments allowing the publication of the offensive cartoon.

When discussing the outrage, pundits have rightly turned to the now notorious "Piss Christ" in order to establish relevance in our majority Christian society. It is an apt comparison. And the response of the offended groups in question show a decided difference between the way that practitioners of the Islamic and Christian faith react to offenses.

Now let me state that the Christian reaction to "Piss Christ" was, in my estimation, ridiculous. But at no time did it turn into violence. Let me further state that it is entirely possible that the thousands putting these embassies to the torch are not representative of the Muslim faith, but rather of fringe elements among the faith. As noted before (September 11, notably), whenever these attacks occur and are committed by Muslims, the mainstream Muslim community is slow to denounce them (the "Piss Christ" debate, on the other hand, was quite lively in the Christian community, and I still chuckle at the image of buttoned down pastors struggling to force out the word "piss" in their protestations of the controversial piece).

Muslim leaders have been working hard to remake the image of Islam into that of a group of peaceful citizens working to make the world a better place. And some of them are. Matter of fact, the MAJORITY of them probably are, or we'd have a whole lot more instability than we do. But there's a SIZABLE faction that is, indeed, Islam's ugly side, and it MUST be addressed before we can seriously consider Islam's claim for "peaceful religion" status.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
The people who represent you are your representitives. If Islam is willing to sit silently while terrorist murder Israelis, and then burn embassies when a cartoon is published, they have decided how they want to be represented.

People who say the blame lies with the newspaper are simply saying that the fault is not that of the violent, but the people who expressed themselves. If this is treated that way, we'll continue this environment of "Oh, you didn't want your reporters beheaded? Well, you should have watched your mouth.

The blame for violence is the violent, and the Muslims who sit quietly and watch horror and then only rise to protest when someone publishes a cartoon that offends them.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

Let me further state that it is entirely possible that the thousands putting these embassies to the torch are not representative of the Muslim faith,

You got that right!  Assad did it!  Nothing happens in Syria without his ok!  This is so blatant, I think I am going to change my response to Adnauseum's list.

Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Islamics, at least those still in their homelands and not working on infecting the West, have no concept of Free Speech, of course, and Mohammad is a taboo subject, at least for humorists.

You used "Piss Christ" as an example; a talk radio show yesterday pointed out that "Rolling Stone" recently had a cover that depicted Kanye West as Christ, wearing a crown of thorns, and in the act of being crucified. Some Christians, while offended, did not march on and torch the RS offices. They responded with letters, calls, and e-mails.

Forgiveness, after all, is a cornerstone of the Faith, as are acceptance and instructions against being judgmental (which, I might add, is a hard one to resist).
Meanwhile, grudge-nursing, easy offense and vindictive spitefulness seem to be cornerstones of Islam.

Perhaps Jesus Christ has more of a sense of humor than Allah?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

You got that right!  Assad did it!  Nothing happens in Syria without his ok! 


That is a most interesting point, and one I neglected to think about until now.

Note that Syria is a secular national-socialist dictatorship, like Iraq was. Muslim fundamentalism is the occasional (and current) ally of Arab national-socialism, but not very strong in Syria, certainly not stronger than the government.

Also note that the countries where Islamic fundamentalism IS strong (Saudi Arabia for example) where strangely quiet compared to relatively secular regions like Syria and Palestine.

Is this the Arab national-socialists in Syria and Palestine trying to lead the fundamentalists?


Perhaps Jesus Christ has more of a sense of humor than Allah?


I can assure you that G-d won't be happy when these violent protesters die and tell Him what they did about the cartoons!
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
The "Piss Christ" contraversy is a great analogy here. You are right, while a lot of Christians were offended, the most anyone really did was call for the government to quit supporting such crap. The "Piss Christ" thing also shows the double standard among some Muslims themselves. To the Muslim faith Jesus was a prophet, just as Abraham and Muhammad were prophets. So why didn't these Muslims react to the desecration of the prophet Jesus like they are to the desecration of the prophet Muhammad?
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is a shame the majority of the muslim community did not protest about 9/11, the London bombings or any of the other terroist actions that have happened in the name of Islam. Perhaps if they showed the same revolt for these attrocities as they do over someones opinion of thier religion, I might then see Islam as a "peaceful religion" if there is such a thing.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
If these lunatics are the fringe, then let me pose this to you:

If there are 1.8 billion muslims in the world (or any other incredibly large number if I am off), I think if only 1/10th of 1% of them fought as hard against the terrorism rising out of their midst, that would be 1,800,000 people of the Muslim faith actively and visibly doing what needs to be done.

Where are the mass protests by these 1,800,000 people? If there were 1,800,000 people "turning in" the agents, sympathisers etc of the radicals, changing the education of their children, etc, I believe the problem would be solved in years, not decades.

Where are these 1,800,000 good people of the muslim faith????
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
I know I have blogged before on the insensitivity of these cartoons, and I stand by my views, but I am shocked by the reaction to this in some cities of the Middle East. I have three points:

-Surely security in defense of these embassies could have been better? Is there a third agenda?
-Denmark was a leader in fighting apartheid in South Africa. Has everyone forgotten this?
-The Muslim youth are quickly agitated and apt to become over-zealous in any protest--even if they don't know about, or support, the cause.
A sixteen year old will throw a stone or burn a car because he is told to do so. If he is out of work he is likely to expend his anger on any worthwhile target.
It is the same as the "soccer yob" syndrome but more destructive. Instead of blaming the religion we should perhaps be blaming the governments of these countries.
Remember: "It is easy to incite the disconnected youth than it is to provoke the comfortable man."
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

-Surely security in defense of these embassies could have been better? Is there a third agenda?


Such security is usually provided by the government of the host nation. Since the burned embassies were in Syria and Lebanon (which is still to a large extent controlled by Syria), I think it is safe to assume that the Arab Nazis in Syria are behind the burning.

Did they attack embassies in Saudi Arabia?



-Denmark was a leader in fighting apartheid in South Africa. Has everyone forgotten this?


Perhaps the Arab Nazis remembered? They like apartheid, and they hate blacks. And they really liked the idea of a western government they could point to as an example of the same racist attitudes in the west.



-The Muslim youth are quickly agitated and apt to become over-zealous in any protest--even if they don't know about, or support, the cause.


True.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Islam is the apartheid in this situation. Islam is the one trying to silence the press. Adherants of Islam are the ones subjugating women and lopping off body parts to keep power in their nations. Adherants of Islam are the ones who seem to be starting every sentence with "Death to..." Adherants of Islam are the one preaching racial hate of Jews, and calling for the destruction of Israel.

So, I don't think your comparison is too apt, frankly. Apartheid was about crushing freedom, and in this instance Islam seems to be all about that. It would seem logical, then, that Denmark would continue their embrace of freedom by frowning on Islam.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
I say it here and now. Someone is formetting this violence on purpose. To pit Muslims against
Christians.

Who is left if those two go at each other?
Who is to benefit?
SOMEONE or SOMETHING is doing this to create what they can point at and say is a "clash of
civilizations"
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
>It is a shame the majority of the muslim community did not protest about 9/11,
>the London bombings or any of the other terroist actions that have happened in the name of
>Islam.

Because most "thinking" people KNOW it was not done by muslims ... it was (in both cases)
an INSIDE job.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
>Islam is the apartheid in this situation.

You cant seriously compare apartheid and Islam can you.
Apartheid is an ideology ROOTED in racism and implemented SOLEY with violence

>Adherants of Islam are the ones subjugating women and lopping off body parts to
>keep power in their nations.

Yes and we dont seem to have ANY problems with that in Saudi Arabia or UAE or Pakistan
for that matter ... correct me if I am wrong but Sharia law is practiced in all them

>Adherants of Islam are the ones who seem to be starting every sentence with
>"Death to..."

There is a history behind that ... do some research ...
Btw were you aware that after we dropped a bomb on Pakistans province killing 18 innocents,
the chant "Death to America" began IN PAKISTAN

I am just saying these things dont happen in a vacuum

>Adherants of Islam are the one preaching racial hate of Jews, and calling for the
>destruction of Israel.

Jews are NOT a seperate race. Their racial classification remains Caucasian.
Furthermore, they are more connected to the Arabs than you and I.

As for calling for the destruction of Israel ... its not a call for killing of people but
for the righting of WRONGS ...

Also go to your public library ... pick up some books "birth of israel" "how israel was won" "the six day war" and see what Israel leaders were saying about Palestinians and Arabs/Nation in general.

See what they are saying now.
This never seems to make it to the news media.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where are these 1,800,000 good people of the muslim faith????


Indonesia brings to mind at least 20 million. But don't just ask here, check out who your own government considers loyal allies in the war on terror. You'd be surprised how many there are.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

You cant seriously compare apartheid and Islam can you.
Apartheid is an ideology ROOTED in racism and implemented SOLEY with violence


This could become a good joke:

What's the difference between apartheid and Islam?

One is an ideology rooted in racism and implemented with violence.

The other is some South-African political system of the past.


Also go to your public library ... pick up some books "birth of israel" "how israel was won" "the six day war" and see what Israel leaders were saying about Palestinians and Arabs/Nation in general.


Problem is, we know all these things. We just don't happen to agree that the Jews in the middle east should leave for Europe or live as second-class citizens among Arabs. We also know about the six day war. And we know what Nasser said he would do to the Jews once he had won and why he sent the UN troops away.

Before easy access to information from all over the world, it was so much easier, wasn't it?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
"This could become a good joke:
What's the difference between apartheid and Islam?
One is an ideology rooted in racism and implemented with violence.
The other is some South-African political system of the past."

lol, too true.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
>The other is some South-African political system of the past

This response says it all.
It reveals more about you (and your ilk) than you would ever believe.

You are bigots, racists to the core ...
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
As pointed out in many instances, education is both the problem and the answer. Muslims world wide are being taught that the West is the reason for all their problems, past and present. Wasn't it the West that through them out of Spain? And although the West might have dealt better with them in setting up the money=machines that are the middle east, don't forget who they had to deal with in that business back then. The Muslims need an education in business practices of the West, and perhaps they wouldn't take things so personal. It all gets down to lesson learning. May the best school win. Tell the truth, Lucille.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
>Problem is, we know all these things. We just don't happen to agree that the Jews in the
>middle east should leave for Europe or live as second-class citizens among Arabs.

But its OK for the arabs to live as second class citizens?

You forget that before the mass immigration of russian jews into palestine (before and
after balfour accord) that area was overwhemingly arab and identified as such.

In fact Ben Gurion and the Jewish Agency refused the implemenation of a government based
on DEMOCRATIC votes .. because their numbers were low.

I am practical about things ... you cant undo the past ... thats why I favor a two state
solution ... not a state within a state as zionists would call for.

A better idea would have been to partition Germany and give a portion to the Jews after
all a German caused the problem. Why visit this on innocent arabs .. .and in that I fully
agree with the Iranian President?

But whats done is done and the two are linked (jew and arab) ... form a second state,
go back to 1967 borders

doesnt gurantee the violence will end ... but a portion of the rallying cry will cease.
give them a true state not one within another.

Also one final comment to all those of you who shamelessly support ALL ZIONIST POLICIES
(forgetting that these two groups are cousins for goodnes sakes)
JOIN THE IDF
put your money where your mouth is
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
>The other is some South-African political system of the past

This response says it all.
It reveals more about you (and your ilk) than you would ever believe.

You are bigots, racists to the core ...


Take a hike, clueless!
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Liberals say we need to be tolerant, and not "offend" them.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
www.guardian.co.ukSLASHinternationalSLASHstorySLASH0,,1703501,00.html
(replace SLASH with appropriate key)
Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons

SO much for this being about a FREE SPEECH issue. To summarize:

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Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.

The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.
*****************

So, if it will piss off Christians we dont publish it. If it will piss off Muslims ...
we do ... once more supporting my believe that someone/somegroup did this on purpose.

MISDIRECTION ... watch the birdie ...
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

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Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well he's not wrong. It's in the common domain that the danish paper rejected the Christian cartoons, and also that the editor wouldn't have run the cartoons had he known there would be death threats and attacks on embassies and the like.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Jesus is lampooned constantly in Western culture. So is God and Moses. If that one newspaper decided not to run a cartoon, one would have to see it to know why. Maybe it wasn't funny. Maybe it was in much worse taste than just putting a bomb in a turban. Maybe there was no reason to do so. The Muslim caricatures were pertinant to issues being dealt with at the time, i.e. the paper being told they couldn't. Maybe if Christians had told the paper they'd better not print a picture of Jesus, it might have been different.

let's not lose sight of the real problem. This isn't about taste, this is about Muslims saying you can't do cartoons of Mohammed at all, or any other depiction for that matter. Jesus is is in comedy material all the time. Will we be told that Mohammed can't be?