Lose the Maiden Names!

When we marry I'd like five last names, if you please.

I have a rant, and I think you'll either agree with me wholeheartedly or completely flame me over this.

I cannot stand it when a woman insists on hyphenating her married name with her maiden name. To see people saddled with two or three surnames is just mean-spirited. I understand that women want to express their independence and their non-subjugation to their husband, but stop thinking about yourself for a moment...

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

I know several children who have their parents' names, both with a big ol' hyphen in the middle. One in particular, he was one of my Cub Scouts last year. His name is Xavier C-W (not gonna put his whole name out on the web, especially since he is a minor...) and this poor little boy has two names. But, when I met his dad, he had the same name! Hugh C-W! Turns out HIS mother had insisted on keeping her surname. And their child, the dad of my Cub Scout, was saddled with the C-W surname. And his wife, when they married, had to take on the C-W surname. (Or, even more laughably, her own surname hyphenated along with her husband's already hyphenated surname!) And the grandson suffers, as will the grandson (my Scout) when he gets married and has children of his own. Turns out Mrs. C, generations back, will burden her progeny for generations to come.

I have another friend, this time a grown one, who recently got married. His name was Christopher G-M. Three long names in their own right, surnames dumped upon him at birth. His new wife had to take them, as well. As will their children.

I have it on good authority that until recently, in Quebec, the children had been forced to mandatorily take on both parents' surnames at birth. So as not to cause consternation, I guess. But then, a couple generations later, the problem was that people who already had two last names were marrying people who already had two last names... as you can see, this was getting out of hand. Four surnames, then eight, then sixteen. Reminds me of a bacterial infection or a mathematics problem.

MANDATORY DISCLAIMER:
I realize that I am a man. And my wife took my last name.

But she did so creatively! Her maiden name was C. Her middle name is now C, and her last name (like mine) is R. She is Bonnie C. R.... And when she got her college diploma, though she had earned it before she got married, she had it typed up with her married name.

All I ask is that when you're about to get married, please consider the long-term consequences of your actions. You may want your identity now, but will your great-grandchildren want it, too?
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Well, it would help with geneology!  From Mr. R-F-J-?
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When my greatgrandparents split up, my grandfather was given to a family to be raised.
He took their last name and used their last name til he was an adult. When he got married, he used the inital
of their last name as a second middle name.
Perfectly clear, right?

Some of the kin that don't have access to the documents that we do, and won't accept the documents,
keep trying to change the facts
and are speculating to the meaning of his "2nd" middle name.......

I'm thinking of changing my last name back to my dad's surname, and adding, with a hyphen, my mom's maiden name....
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Lucy Stone was the first woman to ever keep her maiden name after marriage. she is regarded as a women's activist hero. in a society where white men were top dog, and to be rulers over the women, she stood up for women's rights.

"Lucy Stone contributed to society in many ways. She toured the country, lecturing against slavery and advocating equality for women. She helped organize the first national women's rights convention, held in Worcester, Massachusetts in 1850. Her main focus was women's rights, and she mostly fought for this through legislation. Stone and her husband were in charge of Women's Journal, which was an effective forum for their women's rights views."

her husband's name was Blackwell.
and her daughter was Alice Stone Blackwell. i wonder what her great great great grand-daughter's name was...

the women's rights movement was vital to our nation's growth, however, i believe that some women have taken it too far. men are supposed to be head of the household, and dominant over women, not the other way around.

i think their goals are really just a plot to have women someday rule the world, and men be kept somewhere underground, only to be used for continuing the species.



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When Ryan and I get married, I'm thinking about moving my maiden name into another middle name, but being called Mrs. His Last Name. I don't want to get rid of my middle name. It is my mother's middle name and my paternal grandmother's first name. But I like my maiden name. I'm proud of it. Not that I live there anymore, but having MY last name in the little town I grew up in means something. We weren't rich by any means, but our name means honesty and trustworthiness. If I wre to have a daughter, she, too, would be blessed with the middle name of "Helen"...if you can call that a blessing.

I think you're on the right track here. I can see why some families choose to do this, but it makes things really confusing for kids and the public in general.
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Wow, to think I could be ParaTed2k Hawkins-Reeder-Mitton-Dunn-Toone-Bingham (and that's only going back three generations) ... I don't think that would have fit very well on my Army uniform name tapes. ;~D
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I cannot [stand?] it when a woman insists on hyphenating her married name with her maiden name. To see people saddled with two or three surnames is just mean-spirited. I understand that women want to express their independence and their non-subjugation to their husband, but stop thinking about yourself for a moment...


But if a woman is adamant about keeping her last name what then? Is it important enough to you and are you open minded enough that you would then be willing to take your wife's last name? For the good of the children, that is.



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Exactly, I think it should be more acceptable for men to take women's last names!!! I want to keep my last name, but I also do want to share a name with the people that are the closest to me: say my future husband and my future children.

I think the hyphenated stuff sucks too, but it is kind of a fair way of doing things. Do you have any alternate suggestions so women don't just have to lose their maiden names, altogether?


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I think if you have an established career or its important to you, then you should continue to use your maiden name in your public and work life. Then you can use your family name in your personal and family life. I have a good friend that did this and it works great for her. The kids have their dad's last name, the family name but she still keeps her identity from before her marriage.

I gladly took my husband's name but sometimes I miss my "old" last name. As much as I love my husband and wanted to be bound to him by sharing the same last name, I feel like I lost a bit of my family history and identity when I gave up my maiden name.
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Personally, I will NEVER change my name again. My name is part of me. I'm a Daddy's girl and extremely proud of my heritage and my family. I have no genetic blood tie to anyone I may ever marry again.
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This is a very interesting topic. In Italy the woman's last name never changes. She gets married to Mr.Bello, all their children will be Huey, Duey and Luey Bello, but her last name will always be that of her father. She goes through her whole life (married or unmarried) legally with her father's last name.

I'm not to hip on the hyphenation, it can get carried away. However, if a woman would like to keep her maiden name, I see nothing wrong with it, it just makes little ole Johnny spend four weeks in preschool learning to write his name instead of one!
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in a society where white men were top dog,

I wonder why the color made a difference.

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Personally, I will NEVER change my name again. My name is part of me. I'm a Daddy's girl and extremely proud of my heritage and my family. I have no genetic blood tie to anyone I may ever marry again.

I like you!  Maybe because I married your sister?

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But if a woman is adamant about keeping her last name what then?

I dated a girl in high school who shared the same last name as me. And she insisted that she would keep her own name if we ever got married.
I joked back that she could consider hyphenating it, Martha Robinson-Robinson... ::

Is it important enough to you and are you open minded enough that you would then be willing to take your wife's last name?

Yes, I think I would, especially if I had ended up marrying Martha.
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I think if you have an established career or its important to you, then you should continue to use your maiden name in your public and work life.


I've known a lot of women who have done this. It seems like it would be a little confusing keeping the names straight. On the contrary, they have all said that it puts a great seperation between their personal life and their job. I'm sure there are women out there who have had problems because of it, but none of the women I've known have.
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I think if you have an established career or its important to you, then you should continue to use your maiden name in your public and work life.


I think that a person's work and legacy should definitely carry with them. But notice the trend lately to take the married name, like Mia (Hamm) Garciaparra.
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I'm proud to carry my husband's last name. And we have two strapping boys to carry it on as well.
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I don't think that would have fit very well on my Army uniform name tapes.


Actually, the Christopher G-M that singr mentioned just uses the G-name on his name tapes (although his class A/B name plates have the G-M). He's constantly having to explain it when they see him in his greens...

And then there were the jokes that he'd have to hyphenate his name with hers (since she outranked him) to Chris R(not B)-G-M.
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Yes, Mrs. G-M has gone through a number of identity changes in her Army time...

Came to us as Brandy R.
Got married and became Brandy B.
Divorced him and retook Brandy R.
Married Christopher and became Brandy G-M.
Although, in true Army fashion, they screwed up her paperwork and for a while there, she was actually M Brandy G. I started calling her by her M surname because as far as the Army was concerned, her name was M...

Enough to put someone in a strait jacket!
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But if a woman is adamant about keeping her last name what then? Is it important enough to you and are you open minded enough that you would then be willing to take your wife's last name? For the good of the children, that is


I thought long and hard about the value of being open minded and role flexibility during my 48 years of bachelor life. For that reason and the telling value this very topic was a question early on in my dating ritual.

If a woman put stated value in carrying her name and used the word "individuality" while trying to express herself, she was cause for pause. She was separating herself from the boundaries traditionally associated with relationships and marriage. Which likely meant there would be more conflicting issues surfacing later on putting unneeded strain on the family increasing the probabilities of failure at some point down the road. Her self-image, resiliency and conflict resolution skills along with relationship awareness hadn't matured to my liking. Not changing names is an iceberg, ninety percent of the problem is hidden.
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Not changing names is an iceberg, ninety percent of the problem is hidden


I disagree with that, at least in my case. I can't really speak for everyone else, I suppose.

When I married I chose to keep my maiden name. I talked to my husband about it and he said he was ok with it. The children, should we ever have any, will have his name. It does not bother me if people want to refer to us as "The B's", but legally my name is different.

And my problems are not hidden. He knows and accepts every single last one of them. As I do his.

She was separating herself from the boundaries traditionally associated with relationships and marriage.


Yes. Is that wrong? And if so, why do you feel that way? I don't necessarily agree that "there would be more conflicting issues surfacing later on". However, this is my exeperience only and I'm curious to hear yours.
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When I married I chose to keep my maiden name. I talked to my husband about it and he said he was ok with it. The children, should we ever have any, will have his name. It does not bother me if people want to refer to us as "The B's", but legally my name is different.

But don't you find it awkward? Don't you find it difficult to explain away why your kids' surnames are different than yours, like when filling out forms or at parent-teacher conferences and such?
IMHO it would cause more problems than it solves.
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But don't you find it awkward? Don't you find it difficult to explain away why your kids' surnames are different than yours, like when filling out forms or at parent-teacher conferences and such?


No, I don't find it awkward. It's become a much more common thing now than it was in the past. I don't have children, but I don't feel compelled to explain to anyone why I made the decisions I've made (except here, because I think it is an honest question and deserved discussion). For example, when we bought our house they did have to ask if we were married because we have different last names. I merely answered "yes". No explanation needed.

Not to mention the fact that so many children have step parents these days that I assume children that have a parent with one different last name is not so uncommon.

To be honest, I was much younger when I married and keeping my name meant more. As I have gotten older I see that the name means less than the person I am (or would like to be). What is in a name, after all? Were I to get married now I would probably change my name, and perhaps I will still change it someday. But then again, as I just said, the name means less than what I try to bring to the relationship. And he seems happy. The name has nothing to do with that.

I am who I am. If one or the other partner in the relationship cannot accept that, then no amount of name changing will save the relationship.
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Don't you find it difficult to explain away why your kids' surnames are different than yours, like when filling out forms or at parent-teacher conferences and such?

Uh....they almost *assume* that kids and parents don't all have the same last names.  There are so many single parents, divorced parents, divorced and remarried parents, families that have "yours, mine, and our" kids, etc. 

I was going to hyphenate my name, but I ended up not doing it because it sounded silly- it would have been: Towne-Marshall.  I would have been A. Towne-Marshall.  Just didn't work for me....

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That and you'd get mistaken for a local police authority... perhaps a town marshal?
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it would have been: Towne-Marshall.


That is HILARIOUS! Howdy Marshall! How's the town? Oh my goodness....when introduced to people it'd take fifteen minutes to move past that last name with all the one liners!

I kept my maiden name for my professional work but legally took my husband's name. I couldn't very well use my real name on the air so why not use my maiden one? Not likely I'd forget it!

My oldest son has my maiden name for his MIDDLE name.

I don't care if women want to hyphen it EXCEPT when I am forced to cater to it and it causes me more work, like at Christmas time....I always address card to the BLANK family. Well one of my old friends got all pissed when people didn't put her hyphenated name on stuff....so what to do? It's not the maiden-blank family..its the blank family.

Shesh.