Put up or Shut Up Murtha

The war room now is back, staffed with many of the same people who ran it in 2004, led by the Boy Genius himself, Karl Rove.

I love how they are just so objective on this administration.  NOT.

to sound as cravenly antiwar as possible

I never thought such few words could be cravenly antiwar. They must have one hell of an imagination to see that.

Seeing the obvious trap

Wile E. Coyote could have done a better trap.

virtually every Democrat, including Murtha, voted against it.

How can we trust someone who doesn't back up his own statement? And the Left actually disagreed? DJBandit is shocked

How can we trust someone who doesn't back up his own statement? And the Left actually disagreed? DJBandit is shocked

You will learn Grasshopper!  Be careful what you wish for!  You may get it!.

I will not be joining in on Bashing Murtha doc, I refuse to trash a fellow jarhead, even if I do disagree with him.

are yall high again?

you don't see any difference between 'let's begin discussing sending cheney to the moon' and 'lets send cheney to the moon'????

no wonder you have such difficulty understanding the subtle, the complex and the nuanced.

Doc, you're not being honest here: there's a vast discrepancy in redeployment to a defensive position and "that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately."

you don't see any difference between 'let's begin discussing sending cheney to the moon' and 'lets send cheney to the moon'????

Doc, you're not being honest here: there's a vast discrepancy in redeployment to a defensive position and "that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately."

I don't know about you guys, but even some of my friends here think it sounds the same. The word immediate says to me that lets talk... fast. That's just covering his butt for exactly what you fellas are doing. He wants them back home and he wants them home now, what exactly is there to discuss?

I will not be joining in on Bashing Murtha doc, I refuse to trash a fellow jarhead, even if I do disagree with him.

This is not bashing him.  It is bashing Newsweek.

you don't see any difference between 'let's begin discussing sending cheney to the moon' and 'lets send cheney to the moon'???? no wonder you have such difficulty understanding the subtle, the complex and the nuanced.

They opened the bill for debate.  The Democrats chose not to debate it.  It is neither nuanced, nor complex.  It is plain english.

Doc, you're not being honest here: there's a vast discrepancy in redeployment to a defensive position and "that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately."

he did not say redeployment to a defensive position. He said redeployment FROM Iraq.

He wants them back home and he wants them home now, what exactly is there to discuss?

IN all honesty, he did not say back to the US.  Just out of Iraq.

But kingbee and Steven, you miss the main gist of this.  And that is the Newsweek article, and their blatantly false characterization of what transpired.

So in an accommodating fashion, the House decided to do just that, with resolution number 571: Link which merely re-iterates what Murtha said

Do you really think these two resolutions are the same? You don't think the fact that the GOP resolution included none of the following is a significant difference?

4) Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy.

Link

Do you really think these two resolutions are the same? You don't think the fact that the GOP resolution included none of the following is a significant difference?

Actually yes.  I linked every statement, and every act.  So what part of the resolution do you not understand?  What part of his statement (on his web site) do you not understand?  What you quote is an a priori.  And after the fact CYA.  Nice try, but very bad.

What you quote is an a priori. And after the fact CYA. Nice try, but very bad.

What the heck are you talking about?? That was the actual RESOLUTION.

Here is the RESOLUTION that he introduced in Congress;

To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution:




(H. J. Res._________ )-

To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution, which was referred to the Committee on ____________________________

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U.S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U.S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency;

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want the U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it

1) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in
2) Congress assembled,
3) That:
4) Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy.


_______________________________
JOHN P. MURTHA
Member of Congress


Now here is the complete RESOLUTION introduced by the GOP<BR>

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

1 Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

He said redeployment FROM Iraq.

To the Kuwait border.

I will not be joining in on Bashing Murtha doc, I refuse to trash a fellow jarhead, even if I do disagree with him.

You have to give some credit to the guy. His ideas are flawed I will agree, but the guy must be out of his mind with Senators who voted for the War, and people who Supported it and claimed it was Duty, but who have never served themselves. I just get pissed off at some people who talk a bunch of crap, but don't "Put up" for what they say they believe in. I have the utmost respect for veterans such as Murtha, because they were in combat and understand the hardships and danger that our troops are experiencing.

As usual the SPIN that the right places on anything that they see as not 100% supporting Bush is clear. This is the GOP resolution (BS Show) and the Murtha resolution:


The Murtha Resolution
by Scott Shields

The big talk floating around right now, everywhere from Drudge to Kos, is that there will be a vote in the House, tonight at 7PM, designed specifically by the Republican leadership to force Democrats to on the record about the Iraq War. Here's the language of the resolution, courtesy of The Hotline Blog.

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

THE GOP BS Resolution:

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

But it's not actually Murtha's resolution that they'll be voting on. They've completely gutted and rewritten it. Here is the actual text of Murtha's resolution, which will not be up for a vote tonight.

The Murtha Resolution:

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it

1) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in

2) Congress assembled,

3) That:

4) Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is

5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable

6) date.

7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines

8) shall be deployed in the region.

9) Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq

10) through diplomacy.

What you quote is an a priori. And after the fact CYA. Nice try, but very bad.

Hmmmm

What the heck are you talking about?? That was the actual RESOLUTION.

I am talking about congressional record. I posted the links and the text. Live with it. I think my article had enough links for you, right?

probably not.

To the Kuwait border.

No, but that is a possibility.  Yet he did not say that.

As usual the SPIN that the right places on anything that they see as not 100% supporting Bush is clear. This is the GOP resolution (BS Show) and the Murtha resolution

Next time you pollute my blog, try quoting the congressional record.  nice to CYA after the fact.  I quote from OFFICIAL documents.  You posted from someone's cya.

Hmmmm

In time you will learn. Hopefully, or just be a sheep.

Next time you pollute my blog, try quoting the congressional record. nice to CYA after the fact. I quote from OFFICIAL documents. You posted from someone's cya.

It really is unfortunate that are so blind to the truth. Why can't you either admit that you were wrong or admit that you were lying? I really don't think you're lying, but you are obviously wrong.

Why is it that you cannot understand that what I pasted there is the actual official resolution that was introduced in Congress.

The link you put for Murtha's statement doesn't even work. So where is the link to this actual congressional record you speak of?

I am talking about congressional record. I posted the links and the text. Live with it. I think my article had enough links for you, right? probably not.

You did not post any such link the the congressional record.

Ok, here you go THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD


Link


H.J. Res. __X

To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
November 17, 2005

Mr. Murtha introduced the following joint resolution, which was referred to the Committee on
__XXXXXXX
Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to ``promote the emergence of a democratic government'';

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U.S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U.S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency;

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80 percent of the Iraqi people want the U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45 percent of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

That:

SECTION 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.

SEC. 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines shall be deployed in the region.

SEC. 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.

So how in the world is this an after the fact CYA ?

The Rep. Murtha proposal not only makes sense but this week 100 Iraqi leaders demanded a timetable for U S and all foreign troop pull out from Iraq. This is the very thing Bush has refused to do. Every day the Bush, "stay the Course" becomes more and more wrong. He can never admit when he has made an error. Most Americans know the Iraq war an error and most Iraqis do not want us in their country. Bush is a Sad leader for our country