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Ugliness of Dems is their Own Undoing!

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Ugliness of Dems is their Own Undoing!

from JoeUser Forums

I read the latest tripe about Bush's alleged string pulling to get into (and out of) the National Guard during the Vietnam era. Read it, dismissed it, and walked away with a more solid resolve not to give my vote to the types of people who waste my time dragging red herrings like this out repeatedly in an order to embarass the party in power.

You see, they're sending a clear message: that their PARTY, not the country, is what's truly important, and that they will abandon all ethics in advancing the cause of their party.

The Democrats, it seems, feel they are OWED an impeachment. And there are some among them who've shown themselves willing to forge documents in order to attempt to obtain it (even though those documents, even if they were true, have absolutely ZERO to do with Bush's ability or inability to lead the nation more than 30 years after the fact...but I digress). An eye for an eye, an impeachment for an impeachment seems to be the rule of the day. Their attempt to subvert the Democratic process by winning in courts rather than in the polls is extending beyond the arena of legislation and into the arena of elected officials.

In 2004, John Kerry inherited a winnable race. Though George W. Bush held solid approval numbers, those numbers were by no means insurmountable (don't believe me? Look at Papa Bush's numbers a year before the '92 elections). But in John Kerry's campaign, what was clearly missing in most of the advertisements, was any sign of an agenda, a platform behind which we could rally. John Kerry's entire campaign could have been summed up with the slogan "I don't suck as bad as my opponent".

One year after the election, Bush's detractors haven't let up. They are trying to shape public opinion into casting Bush as an evil dictator because of some of his actions (which, even if true, could easily be chalked up as the actions of a spoiled youth who wanted to avoid war as badly as did millions of other young American males at the time). Because they've failed in their attempt to defeat him in the legislature, they're taking the war to the media, hoping the American public will chase this red herring all the way away from the Democrats' own ineptitude.

And many of the left, at least, are falling for it.

Me, I'm sick of it. The American left has demonstrated why I abandoned the left and have no intention of looking back FAR better than I EVER could.

I suppose, then, I owe them a thanks for that much.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

Fourth, let's see WHO "try and pull off another 911 [sic]"? Did you mean Al-Qaeda? I don't think we want them to try. Did you mean The U.S. Government? If so, this marks you as a whacked-out conspiracy theorist.

Down boy!

{clap}{clap}{clap}

Very good,

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
>Down boy!
>{clap}{clap}{clap}


You two are a riot ... I AM NOT the one dissappointed in my party dude ... (btw i am NOT a democrat). You are the ones
complaining about your emporer now.

WOAH IS ME ... hes a goof off
WOAH IS ME ... the republicans have lost their way
WOAH IS ME ... its clintons fault


Imagine my surprise to see a BYU physics professor on Tucker Calson's show disputing FEMAs assertions about how the towers
fell ...
I WAS BLOWN AWAY. I have known this from day one.

Laugh and poke fun all you want people ... call me a conspiracy whacko ... but I was there at the beginning screaming
the emporer has no clothes ... Ill be there saying the same thing at the end

OH and there will be an end ... you mark my words.
Nothing this big can be kept hidden for very long.

And if the poll numbers are anything to go by (I think they are worse for him than its let on) most are waking up. In my
circle of friends (which includes all political walks) I cant find ONE person in support of this fool.

But then again we are all
college graduates
engineers
family heads
so who knows?
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
just when I think this administration couldnt lie anymore or things get any worse
www.guardian.co.uk_comment_story_0,3604,1642575,00.html
(replace underscores with slash)

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Until last week, the US state department maintained that US forces used white phosphorus shells "very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes". They were fired "to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters". Confronted with the new evidence, on Thursday it changed its position. "We have learned that some of the information we were provided ... is incorrect. White phosphorous shells, which produce smoke, were used in Fallujah not for illumination but for screening purposes, ie obscuring troop movements and, according to... Field Artillery magazine, 'as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes...' The article states that US forces used white phosphorus rounds to flush out enemy fighters so that they could then be killed with high explosive rounds." The US government, in other words, appears to admit that white phosphorus was used in Falluja as a chemical weapon.
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and here is the kicker:
Saddam, facing a possible death sentence, is accused of mass murder, torture, false imprisonment and the use of chemical weapons. He is certainly guilty on all counts. So, it now seems, are those who overthrew him.



Now I am NO fan of Clinton.
But if he was impeached for lying ... and the buck stops with the president.
Oh forget it ... doesnt matter ... its a different standard and a thousand ways to justify the fact that after all
this we are now

maiming
killing
raping
murdering
and
and ..
now it seems
GASSING them.

This is now official ammunition for anyone that says "saddam gassed his own people"
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: rombios


You don't have a frickin' clue about what white phosphorus is, do ya? It's nasty stuff, but hardly a chemical weapon. Incendiary, you know, like napalm? It can be used for illumination, or to produce a lot of smoke. A chemical weapon is one that seriously injures or kills a person by it's presence in the vicinity. When you're exposed to a chemical weapon, many different things can happen. Your skin blisters and/or burns off. Your eyes are eaten up in their sockets. Your blood congeals in your veins. Your lungs are severely damaged. Your nerves stop working. You die.

If you want symptoms of the mustard gas Saddam used, let's start with the main one, death. Then there's blindness, a burning sensation/severe blistering of the skin, or oh yeah, just destroying your lungs.

What does napalm do? It burns very hot and very bright, and nothing much puts it out. It justs burns 'til it's done. The smoke itself isn't much worse than say, smoke. They use it just like it said, either to hide your own movements, or to keep them to see what they're doing. If you consider any kind of smoke to be a chemical weapon, well then, okay. Try to get the UN to ban any form of fire. Nasty ole fire. Bad for the environment too, right?

The reason that WP is particularly nasty, is that if you get any large enough pieces under your skin, ( a lot bigger than smoke particles) it keeps burning until it burns out or is physically removed. Of course it's also true that shrapnel and bullets stay under your skin too. And let us not forget tracer rounds. You know, bullets illuminated w/ red phosphorus? Even your source calls it a psychological weapon, not chemical. Duh. If it was a chemical weapon, there wouldn't have been a need to hit them with H.E. afterwards, they'd have already been dead.

So in the end, when you say we're "gassing iraqis", you mean that we're using conventional (non-chemical) weaponry, very much within the laws of land warfare against a purely enemy target? Dear Lord, it almost sounds like a war.

As opposed to Saddam Hussein, whom you compare us to, the guy that used mustard gas on a large scale basis against an almost purely civilian populace. You know, when he wasn't doing the mass grave thing. To be fair though, he often didn't shoot them or use chemical weapons, he would just bury them alive to save on ammo. Nice, huh?

Try knowing what you're talking about next time. This might help. Link

Link

You might want to look specifically at this part on exposure to white phosphorus smoke.

The dilute phosphoric acid in the aerosol cloud may be mildly irritating to the eyes but with normal field concentrations and exposure it is not harmful
If you hang around in it for a long, long time, it can do some mild damage to the lungs, but then, so does any smoke.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: Spc Nobody Special
Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005

Thanks for the information.  I was aware of white phosphorous, but did not really know how it was used.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
>You don't have a frickin' clue about what white phosphorus is, do ya? It's nasty stuff, but hardly a chemical weapon.


its hilarious watching you try and spin this.
WOW

If its not a chemical weapon ... go shower with tonight.
By the way ... I have pictures of what Fallujah looked like after we hosed that place down with WP. In civilian city.

THEN we lied about it when the Italian media released footage ... now we have CENCOM saying it was used in shake and bake
WHEN WILL THE LYING STOP???

>The reason that WP is particularly nasty, is that if you get any large enough pieces under your skin, ( a lot bigger
>than smoke particles) it keeps burning until it burns out or is physically removed.

Chief isnt that the point?
We gassed them with that nonsense.
In a civilian population
THEN WE LIED ABOUT IT
NOW WE ARE ADMITTING IT?

spin it ALL you want man ... all i know (and now 57%^ of the population knows is that anyone associated with the fuhrer
is a LIAR)

saddam gassed his own people
and
WE GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE

even - steven
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
>The RAI documentary, "Fallujah -- The Hidden Massacre", said the US military used a kind of napalm and white phosphorus in
>the battle, a claim denied by the US State Department.

>Robert Tuttle, US ambassador to Britain, wrote in a letter published by The Independent newspaper on Tuesday that
>"US forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons".

>Col Venable said. "WP was used to target insurgent groups in Fallujah". "The combined effects of the fire and smoke
>and in some case the terror brought about by the explosion on the ground - will drive them out of the holes so that
>you can kill them with high explosives," he said.

SO IF IT WAS NOT ILLEGAL WHY DID WE LIE ABOUT IT?
I dont get it?

WHATS WITH THE ENDLESS LIES
JESUS CHRIST
STOP THE GODDAM LYING EVERY FRICKING SECOND
DAMN
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
its hilarious watching you try and spin this.


Dude, fine, whatever makes you happy. Read whatever you want into it. Sure. Bush is the antichrist. I was a soldier, and we ate Iraqi babies every other meal at the defac. I put white phosphorus in your phone. It's in your breakfast cereal too. And everything I've ever said is a lie. Including that sentence. The Bush family causes hurricanes. I'm sending maser waves into your brain from your computer screen. We're secretly reforming the republican party into the New Reich of the American National Socialists. The storm troopers are at your front door even as we speak. You'll have to excuse me now, I'm just going to go kill a few more Iraqis for their oil and go to bed. After I blow up some american skyscrapers in my own country to start a war. We can hear your thoughts.
There aren't that many so it's not very hard.

There. I confessed all my lies. Happy now?

Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
>Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.

LIAR
comeon? SPIN the above comment some more

Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Robert Tuttle, US ambassador to Britain


Holy fuckin' shit. My husband knows that guy. He is the definition of a douche bag. I cannot stress enough what a sorry human being he is. I know this is off topic, but I gotta say it. Major Rob Tuttle is fucking piece of shit.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Heh, and I have his email address if anyone wants to spam him or let him know he's a douche bag.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
LIAR


Is that all you can say? You're like a fucking broken record. Look dumbass, I'll explain it for ya. I'll skip using small words to make it easier for you, because you won't understand anyway.

I was military. We did training exercises in the field. Guess what we used in some of those exercises. Oh. White smoke grenades. Incendiary grenades too. Guess what they put in them. You guessed it. I've spent all day putting out the small fires at firing ranges in korea caused by the {gasp} burning red phosphorus in tracer rounds. And I assure you, I'm not dead from the fumes just yet.

You done calling me a liar? Or do I need to send a copy of my DD214 to you and call the fucking supply sergeant involved with my last field exercise at PLDC and get a copy of a form recording the goddam smoke grenades expended plus a letter from a munitions company describing their production methods before you'll believe anything that conflicts with your neat little world theory? There are none so blind as ignorant semi-anonymous terrorist felching fucktards.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply By: Spc Nobody Special

Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.

You cant argue with an idiot.  They will just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.  Ignore the nasty little troll.

Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
>Is that all you can say? You're like a fucking broken record. Look dumbass,
>I'll explain it for ya. I'll skip using small words to make it easier for
>you, because you won't understand anyway.

Either the BBC or the Military' FIELD ARTILLERY MANUAL is lying or you can
YOU CANT BE BOTH TELLING THE TRUTH.

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The BBC explains that "if particles of ignited white phosphorus land on a
person's skin, they can continue to burn right through flesh to the bone. ... Exposure to white phosphorus smoke in the air can also cause liver, kidney, heart, lung or bone damage and even death
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SO YOU LIED ABOUT BEING ANYWHERE NEAR THIS STUFF
UNLESS OF COURSE
you are immortal

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An Italian television documentary last week, accused the US of using white phosphorus in a "massive and indiscriminate way" against civilians at Fallujah.

This was denied by the Pentagon, but witnesses in the US military's Field Artillery magazine described firing '"shake and bake" missions at insurgents and high explosive shells to "take them out". The Independent's coverage of the RAI documentary and fallout prompted a letter from Ambassador Tuttle.


Reports from refugee camps and from an Iraqi doctor who stayed in the city during the fighting suggest numerous civilians suffered burns and "melting skin" . Photographs show rows of bodies charred almost beyond recognition.
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I have these photographs from the Italian news documentary
SO YOU ARE LYING
BECAUSE THIS NEWS DOCUMENTARY FORCED THE PENTAGON TO ADMIT CERTAIN THINGS.
THERE WERE WOMEN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH
WOMEN
AND
CHILDREN

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White phosphorus is a highly flammable incendiary material which ignites when exposed to oxygen, and will burn human skin until all the oxygen is used up. A doctor from Fallujah described victims in the US siege "who had their skin melted".
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YOU SIR ARE A LIAR
AGAIN
YOU ARE A LIAR ... AND ONE WITHOUT CONSCIENCE
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

Either the BBC or the Military' FIELD ARTILLERY MANUAL is lying or you can
YOU CANT BE BOTH TELLING THE TRUTH.

The field manual is not lying, but the field manual would also state within it if it was restricted by the Geneva Convention, it does not. One simple fact, it is not used in massive amounts, and it's used in combat (or combat exercises) by every military(to include the Swiss Army)as a conventional weapon.

The BBC explains that "if particles of ignited white phosphorus land on a
person's skin, they can continue to burn right through flesh to the bone. ... Exposure to white phosphorus smoke in the air can also cause liver, kidney, heart, lung or bone damage and even death
*********

SO YOU LIED ABOUT BEING ANYWHERE NEAR THIS STUFF
UNLESS OF COURSE
you are immortal

OMG, I must have been burned to a crisp at least twenty times. I have been down wind of WP smoke before myself.

Spc Nobody is not lying, your just ill informed by people making WP something that it is not.

This is a perfect example how the far left wing Dems are leading to their own undoing by sucking themselve into every hairbrained throery out there hook, line, and sinker.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
we used it against these people (rebelling against OUR invasion)
and
WE LIED ABOUT IT

spin it anyway you want.
this just adds to the
rapes
killings
torture
we have been sanctioning
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
>Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.

LIAR
comeon? SPIN the above comment some more


"Who's" the liar here? Someone who has been there done that or someone that has not. Spin that away stupid!
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
#41 by rombios


Anyone remember the name of this thread?

Ugliness of Dems is their Own Undoing!


Does this completely ignorant lunatic totally exemplify that?
Thank you "rombios", for illustrating the point of the thread.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
I know "Willie Pete" isn't against Geneva because that type of Artillery Round didn't come in the crates marked "against Geneva Convention, don't tell the press we're using these", like all the chemical, biological and "to kill kids with" projectiles did. ;~D
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
Anyone ever wonder why after what seems like years rombios doesn't make his own account and start blogging? I wouldn't agree with a damn thing he says, but I find it strange that someone with his third world perspective and obvious angst would be able to settle just for trolling other people's blogs...
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
YOU ARE A LIAR ... AND ONE WITHOUT CONSCIENCE


But hey, I'm at least I'm an immortal one, right? Wow, immoral and immortal. Cool. So now I'm a supervillian. What other superpowers do I have? Did you know that I caused Bush to start the war in Iraq? No, really. I used a mind control beam. Woooooooooooo

Did you hear the one about the evil car they've modified by making it really big and putting metal armor on it so it can crush things? They call it a "tank." It even has a big chemical weapon on top if it called a gun. Yeah it's chemical. It uses a chemical propellant that produces toxic gases pushing a chunk of metal (also a chemical) through a tube. And if it hits things or people, it knocks a big hole in them. It can sometimes even cause death. Ooooooooooo

But then, I must be lying, I couldn't have possibly got close enough to see a "tank" or a "gun" and lived to tell the tale.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top

They call it a "tank."

I hear it has armor the density of the idiots head too!

Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
I stopped acknowledging rombios back when the debate was all about how N. Korea's nuclear weapons program was going to make them a superpower, and we had no right to stop them from obtaining them. Guess who took the pro N. Korea stance and nothing anyone said could make him rethink?

DrGuy's right, Spc. Ignore him.