Ugliness of Dems is their Own Undoing!

I read the latest tripe about Bush's alleged string pulling to get into (and out of) the National Guard during the Vietnam era. Read it, dismissed it, and walked away with a more solid resolve not to give my vote to the types of people who waste my time dragging red herrings like this out repeatedly in an order to embarass the party in power.

You see, they're sending a clear message: that their PARTY, not the country, is what's truly important, and that they will abandon all ethics in advancing the cause of their party.

The Democrats, it seems, feel they are OWED an impeachment. And there are some among them who've shown themselves willing to forge documents in order to attempt to obtain it (even though those documents, even if they were true, have absolutely ZERO to do with Bush's ability or inability to lead the nation more than 30 years after the fact...but I digress). An eye for an eye, an impeachment for an impeachment seems to be the rule of the day. Their attempt to subvert the Democratic process by winning in courts rather than in the polls is extending beyond the arena of legislation and into the arena of elected officials.

In 2004, John Kerry inherited a winnable race. Though George W. Bush held solid approval numbers, those numbers were by no means insurmountable (don't believe me? Look at Papa Bush's numbers a year before the '92 elections). But in John Kerry's campaign, what was clearly missing in most of the advertisements, was any sign of an agenda, a platform behind which we could rally. John Kerry's entire campaign could have been summed up with the slogan "I don't suck as bad as my opponent".

One year after the election, Bush's detractors haven't let up. They are trying to shape public opinion into casting Bush as an evil dictator because of some of his actions (which, even if true, could easily be chalked up as the actions of a spoiled youth who wanted to avoid war as badly as did millions of other young American males at the time). Because they've failed in their attempt to defeat him in the legislature, they're taking the war to the media, hoping the American public will chase this red herring all the way away from the Democrats' own ineptitude.

And many of the left, at least, are falling for it.

Me, I'm sick of it. The American left has demonstrated why I abandoned the left and have no intention of looking back FAR better than I EVER could.

I suppose, then, I owe them a thanks for that much.

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The only thing the Dem's constant tar-n-feather attempts and fabrications do is make me NOT want to vote for them. IMO at this time, the constantly whining Dems are the Republican's best asset.
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Kerry lost for the same reason Bob Dole lost to Clinton. No message or campaign that swayed anyone to vote for him. The democrats need to wake up and start standing for something, or they will continue to fall on their faces. I wonder how much longer they are going to run against a President who cannot run again?

I notice Colon Gangrene has jumped back on the Texas National Guard bandwagon. Pretty piss poor a thing for him to do considering the fact that every vet can think of more than a few people they served with who they wouldn't support if running for president... and if they were honest (which I'm sure the colon is incapable of being any longer) they would be able to think of a few who they would campaign against.
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>Me, I'm sick of it. The American left has demonstrated why I abandoned the left and have no intention of looking back FAR
>better than I EVER could.

Whatever man.
This isnt about the gutless spineless hypocrites called DEMOCRATS

Its about the most corrupt and treasonous administration (REGIME) since the founding fathers set things up.
We need a third party with guts.

33% still approve of him ... the terry schiavo types
but 53% favor impeachment

LETS MOVE THAT ALONG ... THERES AT LEAST 3 MAJOR CRIMES HE CAN BE IMPEACHED FOR
GET HIM OUT
NOW
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This is a much larger tactic, called "Lying for truth". I believe devoutly that the political individuals who keep rehashing old lies over and over and over do so because they know anything that people hear enough they believe, whether it is true or not. Eventually the people who know it not to be true get tired, and the liars on their soapboxes stay out there day and night preaching to the idiots.

Rombios, deal with your own nation's politics, you know little about ours other than the paranoia that we are out to get you.

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>Rombios, deal with your own nation's politics, you know little about ours other than the paranoia that we
>are out to get you.

What the hell are you talking about (your own "nation's" politics)?

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This is a much larger tactic, called "Lying for truth". I believe devoutly that the political individuals who keep rehashing old lies over and over and over do so because they know anything that people hear enough they believe, whether it is true or not.


Just keep repeating this lie over and over and eventually people will believe it.
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Just keep repeating this lie over and over and eventually people will believe it.

It is not a lie.  For proof, just look at how the MSM portrays the Economy, and the consumer confidence index.

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THERES AT LEAST 3 MAJOR CRIMES HE CAN BE IMPEACHED FOR
GET HIM OUT


Please list those 3 with documentable proof for each one.
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If a lie is repeated long enough it becomes the truth, that is their goal to continually repeat the same lies over and over, and sooner or later people will come around and believe it.
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If a lie is repeated long enough it becomes the truth, that is their goal to continually repeat the same lies over and over, and sooner or later people will come around and believe it.

Exactly!  That is why col Klink is such a one trick pony!  he figures if he keeps lying long enough, others will believe him.

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Exactly! That is why col Klink is such a one trick pony! he figures if he keeps lying long enough, others will believe him.


Ahhh, I see. So he's the one lying and you're the one telling the truth. And this is based on.....ah...umm....wait a minute, I know this....um....no, no don't tell me......uhhh....
....Oh right, he's lying because you say he is and you're telling the truth because you say you are. Makes perfect sense now. LOL
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Ahhh, I see. So he's the one lying and you're the one telling the truth. And this is based on.....ah...umm....wait a minute, I know this....um....no, no don't tell me......uhhh....
....Oh right, he's lying because you say he is and you're telling the truth because you say you are. Makes perfect sense now. LOL


Want to check the facts? Not the lies. Let's do that.
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33% still approve of him ... the terry schiavo types
but 53% favor impeachment


Actually, according to my newspaper this morning, 53% of people agreed with the following statement: "If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

Which is a blatantly leading poll. Would you answer Yes to "If X were beating his wife, would you support making him stop?" It's yet another example of how the Democrats are stooping to ever-lower levels to make it appear that there's support for their fringe positions.
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Which is a blatantly leading poll.

Did you expect anything less?

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Want to check the facts? Not the lies. Let's do that.


Who decides if they are facts or lies?
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>Actually, according to my newspaper this morning, 53% of people agreed with the following statement: "If President Bush
>did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable
>through impeachment."

OK then call your local news and have them rephrase the question.
You are just upset because people are waking up.

After all our Fuhrer said "you fool me once ... cant get fooled again"

Lets see them TRY and pull off another 911
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I once said that, if we excluded from running for office everyone who hooked or crooked their way out of Vietnam, we'd be denying ourselves the leadership of a lot of good, competent people. How many people back then did whatever they could to get out of serving?
What pissed me off about Kerry was how he never addressed his change from angry, disenfranchised, comrade-dissing, medals-burning vet to Proud, Patriotic Vietnam Veteran. It made me mad to see the films of him testifying before congress and hearing his words, then seeing him today, smiling and saluting like he'd never felt any other way.
I know age changes opinions, but come on.....
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>I know age changes opinions, but come on.....

Kerry was a hypocrite and a slave (mentally) to his "handlers". He does not deserve to be President anymore than the
current occupant of that seat.

Ralph Nader was and remains the best choice then. The hypocrites passing off as democrats tried to keep Nader off the
ballot

A POX ON BOTH HOUSES
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Ralph Nader? Ralph Nader is a naive fool who thinks that taxing everything over $100k a year at 100% is a good thing! Ralph Nader, who thinks that government intervention is the answer for every problem in life? Ralph Nader, who wrote "unsafe at any speed" about a car that has become a classic, and outlasted his credibility! ;~D

....but at least you're willing to stand up for who you believe in, and that is a good thing!
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It made me mad to see the films of him testifying before congress and hearing his words,

The only difference between John Kerry and Jimmy Massey are embedded journalists.

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Apologies, Gid, for going off-topic for a minute to address this. I will attempt to drag it back to your topic afterwards.

he's lying because you say he is and you're telling the truth because you say you are.


There is a difference between inflammatory remarks and truth. A person can be outraged over either truth or a misperception. I think COL Gene's accusations are not grounded in fact. They are the hyperbolic assertions of a flame-tard who loves to stir things up. He obviously wants to get his agenda across to others, regardless of the tactics used or accuracy of his cited "facts".

He's lying because the memos in question are not valid. They were typed up in Microsoft Word, for crying out loud! Blatant misrepresentations.

Now if you say that the memos themselves were fake but the sentiments behind them were valid, then I would say to you: PROVE IT. 'Cause those got thrown out of the court of public opinion long long ago.

(Now to tie it back into Gid's posting...)

"Memo-gate" is an example of the depths to which one will stoop to discredit a popular and powerful person. It is a well-known tactic of the losing side (whichever one that is) to continue to throw poo against the wall. Eventually some of it will stick.
All politicians are self-serving whores.
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It's a sad day when Bush is voted for over Kerry..The only reason he won was because the Dem's choice was a bigger joke!! Are these the only choices in our country? Well there's Nader, go figure!! I guess the bumper sticker I saw on an Navigator says it all."Who's sorry now"....
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There is a difference between inflammatory remarks and truth. A person can be outraged over either truth or a misperception. I think COL Gene's accusations are not grounded in fact. They are the hyperbolic assertions of a flame-tard who loves to stir things up. He obviously wants to get his agenda across to others, regardless of the tactics used or accuracy of his cited "facts".

He's lying because the memos in question are not valid. They were typed up in Microsoft Word, for crying out loud! Blatant misrepresentations.

Now if you say that the memos themselves were fake but the sentiments behind them were valid, then I would say to you: PROVE IT. 'Cause those got thrown out of the court of public opinion long long ago.


I'm not saying who is lying or who is telling the truth. I'm asking why I should believe one over the other. Both are convinced their version of the truth is the correct version. Ultimately, the only truth, from my perspective, is what *I* decide is truth, not what anyone else decides. And that includes "the court of public opinion".
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All politicians are self-serving whores.


This is very true. Has there aver been a completely and utterly altruistic politcian?
No, of course not, because the very nature, of acquiring the job itself, is self-serving; lie, cheat and steal to get in, lie, cheat and steal to stay there. Maybe, while you're there, do a little good. Or, you could lie, cheat and steal and enrich yourself. I'm sure not ALL politicans are or have been like this, but the majority of them? OHHHHYEAAAHHH.....
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>Actually, according to my newspaper this morning, 53% of people agreed with the following statement: "If President Bush
>did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable
>through impeachment."

OK then call your local news and have them rephrase the question.
You are just upset because people are waking up.

After all our Fuhrer said "you fool me once ... cant get fooled again"

Lets see them TRY and pull off another 911



Uhhhhh... what?

I'm sorry, this is just incoherent.

First of all, the poll was not conducted by my local newspaper, so asking them to rephrase the question is pointless. The poll was conducted by Zogby and reported nationally.

Second, I'm not the one who's upset, all the Bush-bashers are. Hence their cheap attempts to manufacture support for their cause by the use of slanted, leading questions. I'm just disturbed by the blatant bias in this poll and the fact that it's being trumpeted by extreme lefties as "proof that the country wants Bush impeached".

Third, we never had a Fuehrer. (No idea what you're trying to reference with the "won't get fooled again" thing, either.)

Fourth, let's see WHO "try and pull off another 911 [sic]"? Did you mean Al-Qaeda? I don't think we want them to try. Did you mean The U.S. Government? If so, this marks you as a whacked-out conspiracy theorist.