French riots, and the MSM coverup

my goodness gracious!

of course that's an accurate assessment only if you're convinced all muslims and anyone else of arab/african descent are islaamists.

it certainly could be utilized by islaamists...but to characterize it as an islaamist riot is incorrect.

I saw that today as well.  CNN still refuses to categorize them, but Fox has started to.

it certainly could be utilized by islaamists...but to characterize it as an islaamist riot is incorrect

It's not incorrect at all. These are riots in an islamic neighborhood. The islamic rioters claim they planned the riots weeks in advanced.

What about those understanding and tolerant French folks calling the rioters "scum"? Have they been all 'merican-ized, or perhaps have they been hypocrites all along courting favor in the middle east in the name of business?

It's not incorrect at all. These are riots in an islamic neighborhood. The islamic rioters claim they planned the riots weeks in advanced.

True. I think this is a distinctly French problem. As in the denial to deal with reality.

guess us crazy Americans are not so crazy anymore.

True. I think this is a distinctly French problem. As in the denial to deal with reality.

If by distinctly French you mean to include Denmark too, then I'll agree. This is an Islam in the West problem. It happened in Britain in 2001, Holland last year, and France & Denmark this year.

It's not incorrect at all.

is too. for more than a decade, there have been at least one, sometimes several similar riots per year. my understanding is the first one--started by guys who are now in their early 30s--was sparked by some sorta police action in an estate (or housing project) in strasbourg.

rather than ideologues or religious fanatics, the rioters are primarily young, underemployed or unemployed male immigrants from arab and african countries crowded into ghetto-like projects who express their discontent by burning cars.

rather than ideologues or religious fanatics, the rioters are primarily young, underemployed or unemployed male immigrants from arab and african countries crowded into ghetto-like projects who express their discontent by burning cars.

They're not mutually exclusive. And in England, 2001, it was Pakistani (but curiously not Indian) youths. Mohammedan youth in the West are turning to Islam in droves for purposes of identity. Apologize and hide your head in the sand all you want. Islam is a major factor.

Apologize and hide your head in the sand all you want. Islam is a major factor

nothin for which to apologize. nor am i hiding my head in the sand as regards the dangers of islam. (it seems very obvious to me our policies in iraq are the equivalent of fattening frogs for snakes.)

there's no islaamic cult advocating jihad by car burning.

crowd too many people into too small a space, allow employers to unfairly exploit them when there's work available and discriminate against dark skin when jobs are difficult to find and it'll happen every time.

when there's too much of nothing, it just makes a fella mean.

crowd too many people into too small a space, allow employers to unfairly exploit them when there's work available and discriminate against dark skin when jobs are difficult to find and it'll happen every time. when there's too much of nothing, it just makes a fella mean.

It doesn't happen every time, and when it does happen the Mohammedans are far too often the perpetrators. It's what happens when your religion commands its thin-skinned followers to be on guard for anything offensive to it.

nothin for which to apologize. nor am i hiding my head in the sand as regards the dangers of islam.

If you say so.

(it seems very obvious to me our policies in iraq are the equivalent of fattening frogs for snakes.)

Such a pity France's absolute refusal to entangle itself in Iraq did not appease its Mohammedan population. But I'd like to point out that I am a very vocal critic of American involvement in Iraq.

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It doesn't happen every time, and when it does happen the Mohammedans are far too often the perpetrators

if you have an enclosure designed to provide 10 social mammals with adequate space...and you dump in twice as many said mammals into it, stress leading to violence is one likely outcome. don't really matter if they're muslims, janes, zoroastians or elks.

Such a pity France's absolute refusal to entangle itself in Iraq did not appease its Mohammedan population.

if france became an islamic republic tomorrow, you think the problem would go away?

i saw another article you posted earlier today i think. are you the author of either or both? why don't you permit comments? .

if you have an enclosure designed to provide 10 social mammals with adequate space...and you dump in twice as many said mammals into it, stress leading to violence is one likely outcome. don't really matter if they're muslims, janes, zoroastians or elks.

Mohammedans aren't the only ones packed in. It happens the world over. Riots are not annual event elsewhere. Being packed in like that certainly doesn't help, but it's not a cause by itself.

if france became an islamic republic tomorrow, you think the problem would go away?

That depends on how many Christians remained and what kind of power they continued to wield. I think it would eventually degenerate into a post-1960, pre-1990 Lebanon.

i saw another article you posted earlier today i think. are you the author of either or both? why don't you permit comments?

I'm not the author at all. You can comment on the original page by clicking the link. Since it's not my article, I don't feel it's appropriate for me to accept comments as if it is.

here's part of an article published 9/27/05 by the la times. its focus is congolese-born french rapper who's moved himself up outta the projects. it alludes to the car-burning thing i mentioned.

"Malik, Bilal and Mohamed are grands freres ("big brothers") now, and use their prestige to set a good example. But they discussed the bad old days dispassionately, recalling how Neuhof homeboys had pioneered the tradition of torching cars en masse. It started in the mid-'90s when cars burned during riots to avenge the deaths of two youths who stole a car, led police on a chase and crashed. Car-burning grew into a New Year's Eve event here, and spread across France, Malik said.

"It was like a symbiotic relationship between the media and the kids," said Achab, a curly-haired Frenchman of Moroccan descent who, in addition to being N.A.P.'s technical ace, has a job as a city social worker.

France is full of tinderbox Neuhofs. Gloomy public housing towers ring urban peripheries like modern-day versions of the walls of medieval cities. Known as cites, some projects resemble isolated city-states with their own laws, language and culture, problematic products of a clash between France's stratified, secular mainstream and immigrant diasporas that are predominantly Arab, African and Muslim."

i found a lotta similar stuff a while back.

That depends on how many Christians remained and what kind of power they continued to wield

considering france is arguably the largest secular nation in europe--if not the world--i'm not sure why the number of christians would be a factor. in any event, unless conditions improved considerably, i'm guessing the kids would still be burning cars.

i seriously doubt detroit's infamous annual 'hell night' house burning has anything to do with islam, christianity or even daoism.

don't really matter if they're muslims, janes, zoroastians or elks.

Elks are scary. Especially in an overcrowded room. Especially when there's only one donut left and it's on the opposite side of the overcrowded room from the Elks.

They'd overturn and burn a car to get to it. (Burning cars scare the Meese.)

Just don't ask me how the car got in the room. I was too skeered by the Elks to notice.

crowd too many people into too small a space, allow employers to unfairly exploit them when there's work available and discriminate against dark skin when jobs are difficult to find and it'll happen every time.

France did none of these things.

These people all moved to France of their own free will. France did NOT "crowd" them into a small place, they MOVED there themselves.

French employers do not "exploit them". If they did, these people would not want to live in France and work for French companies, but rather live in their original countries and work for, presumably better, employers there.

And finally, I understand Arabs are white. I didn't read much about the riots, but I understand the rioters were not Africans? (Do Africans riot in France? Do the French treat Africans worse than Arabs? If this was about dark skin, I would assume so, wouldn't I?)

And if this really happens every time, then perhaps there is something wrong with the decision made by those people to live in France and work for French companies.

considering france is arguably the largest secular nation in europe

Turkey?

if not the world

China?

I'm just curious, kingbee, is there any rioter, looter, terrorist, or criminal (other than those with white skin, of course) that you won't make excuses for

i'm not making excuses for anyone. i don't see much sense in empowering fanatics by giving them credit they don't deserve.

Just don't ask me how the car got in the room. I was too skeered by the Elks to notice

i think the mystic knights of the sea left the lodgehall door unguarded or somethin.

considering france is arguably the largest secular nation in europe

How do you come to that conclusion?

France did NOT "crowd" them into a small place, they MOVED there themselves

did i say france crowded them into anywhere? that would be as silly as claiming nyc crowded waves of volunteer immigrants into the lower east side...or the bronx...or brooklyn.

French employers do not "exploit them". If they did, these people would not want to live in France and work for French companies, but rather live in their original countries and work for, presumably better, employers there.

hell the french dont wanna work for french employers. and they're getting a lot better deal than prospective employees who don't appear to be european. many of their families originally immigrated to france in the 60s and 70s by french companies recruting cheap unskilled laborers in morocco and former french colonies. so these kids' fathers never got very far and it appears to them as if they themselves are considered disposable.

How do you come to that conclusion?

following the revolution, france was founded as a secular republic. it's larger than the other contenders (like holland and the scandanavian countries).

following the revolution, france was founded as a secular republic. it's larger than the other contenders (like holland and the scandanavian countries).

So you only include those countries founded as such.  That was what I was looking for. Thanks.