Can a White person say anything about any Minority?

Playing the Race card.

from JoeUser Forums
Just a observation, Lets imagine a million man march with nothing but white people.
Lets form a congressional white caucus, How about a national association for the advancement of white people?
How about a miss white America contest?

How about scholarships for white minorities? How about white people getting the inside track for jobs only because they are white?

How about Bill O'reilly pointing out that he thinks Sean Penn, Tim Robbins and Danny Glover should be ashamed of themselves and being called a racist by Glover.

Can any white person say anything to a minority and not be called a racist? Can I write this article and not be thought of as a racist?

How about a white coach being fired from his job for saying blacks are better athletes because of there blackness, and a black coach saying the same thing and not being fired?

There seems to be too damn much INEQUALITY these days, with the deck heavily stacked in favor of minorities.
How about Louis Farrakhan putting for the premise that whites tried to kill blacks by sabotaging the levees in New Orleans? now turn that around and have a white leader say the same thing, that blacks tried to kill whites by sabotage.

How about a major white leader calling Detroit or Cleveland "nigger town" like Jesse Jackson called New York City "Jew York City and Hymie town"

These are just some things I would like answers to.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
ok huh?? where did my 48 replies go?? sniffles
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

ok huh?? where did my 48 replies go?? sniffles

I am just glad to get the Articles back!  Here's one reply for you!

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
#2 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


ok huh?? where did my 48 replies go?? sniffles

I am just glad to get the Articles back! Here's one reply for you


was a real intresting back and forth on this yesterday doc, now it's just old news and will wither and die.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
But at least the article exists to die, rather than vanishing into the electric ether.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BlueDevPosted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005But at least the article exists to die, rather than vanishing into the electric ether.


this is true, but as a person in recovery I have yet to learn the cup half full concept.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: little_whipPosted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005now turn that around and have a white leader say the same thing, that blacks tried to kill whites by sabotage.Hell, you can't even notice that blacks kill whites (and other blacks of course) on a daily basis at a rate much higher than any other minority (according to FBI statistics)without being called a racist.You can't point out black looters, rioters, crackheads, welfare queens, pimps, drug dealers, prostitutes or anything else without running the same risk.What I want to know is why liberals clamor for a so-called colorblind society, are the first ones to play the race card when a black is percieved as the victim, yet shout down as racist any negative observations made about them?'Cus it only works one way, MM. At least in their minds.


minds? when did liberals reclaim a mind? who sold it to them and why? hahahahaha

as usual you and I are right whip.
Reply #7 from PolMach Forums Top
Hell, you can't even notice that blacks kill whites (and other blacks of course) on a daily basis at a rate much higher than any other minority (according to FBI statistics)without being called a racist.

You can't point out black looters, rioters, crackheads, welfare queens, pimps, drug dealers, prostitutes or anything else without running the same risk.


It does sound racist because you don't ever really point out that Blacks are also doctors, engineers and CEOs for companies like American Express and Dell. I am sure that I would look racist if I pointed out that whites were serial killers and rapists.

Most of things that are said here about Blacks are negative. If comments didn't generalize or if they were tempered with other things that were true that weren't negative, then I think you would be less likely to gain a racist name.

In stating your facts, you are not pointing out something that most Black people don't already know to be true. By pointing out only the negative, you look as though you want to discredit an entire race (notice, I said you look like it). I am sure that you get sick of liberals who try to point out W's DUI. It's true, but it looks past anything else he may have done and only looks to discredit him. Do you see what I am saying?
Reply #8 from PolMach Forums Top
ok huh?? where did my 48 replies go?? sniffles


yeah, what did happen with that? Oh well, let's start again.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

I am sure that I would look racist if I pointed out that whites were serial killers and rapists.

No, but that is a good question.  Most of the ones have been Caucs, except The Itinerant Farm worker killer, and he was hispanic - Juan Corona I think.

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: cityguyPosted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005Hell, you can't even notice that blacks kill whites (and other blacks of course) on a daily basis at a rate much higher than any other minority (according to FBI statistics)without being called a racist.You can't point out black looters, rioters, crackheads, welfare queens, pimps, drug dealers, prostitutes or anything else without running the same risk.It does sound racist because you don't ever really point out that Blacks are also doctors, engineers and CEOs for companies like American Express and Dell. I am sure that I would look racist if I pointed out that whites were serial killers and rapists.


I would not think it racist when you point out the TRUTH, IF FACT 99.99 PERCENT OF SERIAL KILLERS ARE WHITE AND MALE,.

So why is it racist if I point out the same kind of figures about blacks, especially when it is truth?
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005I am sure that I would look racist if I pointed out that whites were serial killers and rapists.No, but that is a good question. Most of the ones have been Caucs, except The Itinerant Farm worker killer, and he was hispanic - Juan Corona I think.


juan salcido?
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
The point I was trying to make is that it would be racist if that is the only side of white people I ever chose to acknowlege. If that became the backdrop from which I chose to paint a picture of all males, that would be wrong. Don't you agree?


I agree, but I was just commenting on the comment itself, which until you made it, I had not thought of. Thanks for bringing it to top of mind.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
13 by cityguy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


The point I was trying to make is that it would be racist if that is the only side of white people I ever chose to acknowlege. If that became the backdrop from which I chose to paint a picture of all males, that would be wrong. Don't you agree?

Again, it's really seems racist because this post makes it seem that that's all Black people are about.


but if you are talking crime statistic, where do you mention that there are also doctors and lawyers too. get my drift? If you start writing here and have to use disclaimers in every sentence you will go nuts, some things are implied.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
#14 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


The point I was trying to make is that it would be racist if that is the only side of white people I ever chose to acknowlege. If that became the backdrop from which I chose to paint a picture of all males, that would be wrong. Don't you agree?


I agree, but I was just commenting on the comment itself, which until you made it, I had not thought of. Thanks for bringing it to top of mind.


I also agree, but again when you are talking serial killers, that is the topic, not other white males are good people or not all white males are serial killers.
Reply #15 from PolMach Forums Top
I also agree, but again when you are talking serial killers, that is the topic, not other white males are good people or not all white males are serial killers.


I know. I think he was trying to make a point, which I did get, I just took it off on a tangent because until he brought that up, I had never thought about it.
Reply #16 from PolMach Forums Top
but if you are talking crime statistic, where do you mention that there are also doctors and lawyers too. get my drift? If you start writing here and have to use disclaimers in every sentence you will go nuts, some things are implied.


I understand you. I am not talking about a disclaimer statement for everything you say however. If you only acknowledge one aspect of Black people openly and often, it seems biased. Would it not sound like I was trying to make African-Americans sound perfect if I only posted articles outlining heroes and accomplishments; if I never acknowledged the crime and drugs that plague our community. By doing the opposite, you sound like a racist. Without inflammatory slurs, you point the same things that some white supremisists constantly point out. It's the kind of speech that continues to divide this country.

Now if you had wrote a nice article on Lloyd Trotter or Richard Parsons, their contributions and the fact they are African-American, no one would ever be able to accuse of being biased or a racist.

I am not accusing you. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt of being an equal opportunity jerk until he/she proves beyond doubt that they definitely have racial issues.
Reply #17 from PolMach Forums Top
Reply #18 By: Citizen cityguy - 10/25/2005 5:37:36 PM


Can you delete and repost response #13? It is screwing up Joe User.

Thanks (if you cant delete, edit it so it is just a dot).
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
16 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


I also agree, but again when you are talking serial killers, that is the topic, not other white males are good people or not all white males are serial killers.


I know. I think he was trying to make a point, which I did get, I just took it off on a tangent because until he brought that up, I had never thought about it.


I got the point doc and cityguy, my point is, it just is not approite to bring up how wonderfull the vast majority is, when you are speaking of crime.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
17 by cityguy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


am not accusing you. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt of being an equal opportunity jerk until he/she proves beyond doubt that they definitely have racial issues.


well thank you, kinda, one of the points i made in the original artice was "Can I write this article and not be thought of as a racist?" I know what's in my heart and really have stopped caring what others think they know about me.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
18 by Dr. Guy
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


Reply #18 By: Citizen cityguy - 10/25/2005 5:37:36 PM


Can you delete and repost response #13? It is screwing up Joe User.

Thanks (if you cant delete, edit it so it is just a dot).


I hope I deleted the right one doc, let me know will ya?
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
22 by little_whip
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


I understand your point, cityguy, but other than heavily peppering any statement noticing the race of your subject with constant disclaimers, I don't see any way around it.

For example: "Six hundred blacks rioted in Toledo last week, while the other 30,000 that live within city limits managed not to get involved, engaging in work, church, recreation, or other legal activities instead."

Or...

FBI statistics state that African-Americans, which comprise a mere 12% of our country's population, are responsible for over 52% of all violent crime. Aproximately one in three black males between the ages of 16 and 35 are currently involved with the penal system in some way, either on parole, probation, or pre-trial release, but the other 2 out of three are doctors, lawyers, factory workers, and generally law abiding citizens.

There was a time when disclaimers were used to clarify an opinion, not to soften hard facts that certain people find offensive.

Can you imagine applying this standard to anything other than race? For instance, saying..."Damn, St Louis is hot in the summer, but not every single day, and a matter of fact, some days are actually quite pleasant, and what I might consider hot may not be hot to you so please don't think I'm putting that city down but I have noticed it's pretty hot in the summer."

Sheesh.

Why must we tip-toe around like that when it comes to matters of race? Because we have been intimidated by so many false claims of racism that many people refuse to discuss these matters at all anymore, and that, my friend, is not a good thing.

Not a good thing at all.

Silence breeds resentment, and resentment breeds hate. When we stop communicating openly with each other, no good can come of it.


I can always count on you whip to take my points and put them into words that have a flow and make perfect sense. take my last insightufll whip you earned this one.

your number one fan, MM
Reply #22 from PolMach Forums Top
Sheesh.

Why must we tip-toe around like that when it comes to matters of race? Because we have been intimidated by so many false claims of racism that many people refuse to discuss these matters at all anymore, and that, my friend, is not a good thing.


I hear your point as well. Thanks for seeing mine.

I know you have stats. I have them as well (about African-Americans). No one here is trying to sidestep them. It's why I do what I do for a living. But to say things like 'Blacks riot in Toledo' and to only say such things, makes one sound racist. Your statements infer, whether intentionally or not, that they are true of all Black people. That is racist. 'Blacks kill whites (and other Blacks)' doesn't sound like you even know of Blacks who don't do such things.

Let's not be hypocritical either. How sick would all of you get if continually posted articles about racism in this coutry and it's horrible violence towards minorities, in particular to African-Americans? If the only articles I wrote dealt with police beatings and harrasment of minorities and other things unfair, I'm pretty sure you would get sick of hearing about, even though it's true.

What's the point anyway? Why are you so quick to point out the race of someone in trouble? Yes, I do want to talk about it and how we can begin to remedy it as an American people, but what's your angle? Is it because of you love for Black people? Or is it something else?

And I will confess a sin at this point. Such facts and statistics about African-Americans have been dealt with as an inside affair. We generally want to deal with such facts as an affair that only we can address. Perhaps it's because such facts are used by some to say that we are less than human. But definitely because of a lack of trust of white people. That's wrong. This is an American issue that needs to be dealt with by American people.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

hope I deleted the right one doc, let me know will ya?

Yep!  I would hate to lose this one to an open tag!

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is an American issue that needs to be dealt with by American people.


boy do I agree with this city guy, and wish more of the people in America would view it this way, it's really not about black and white and grey anymore it's about Americans.

thank you for pointing this out so succinctly.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
25 by Dr. Guy
Wednesday, October 26, 2005


Yep! I would hate to lose this one to an open tag!


ok computer idiot here, what is an "open tag"?