" Bush has a real problem given his earlier statements about dealing with any White House Staff member involved in the release of a CIA agent's name. Now that it's karl Rove it's a whole different tune. I hope the press, the Democrats and the moderates pound on Bush until he does what he says he would and fire Rove. "

I bet you'd gladly post a link to where Bush said he would fire whoever it was before they are even charged with a crime, wouldn't you? Even more, feel free to explain what makes you think because its Rove it is a "different tune". Has the investigation been dropped? Evidently everyone in the last few weeks in Washington has been pretty sure it was Rove. Did the grand jury suddenly back off? Did they tell the reporters not to worry about it?

"To maintain that man on the payroll of the United States government is absolutely unacceptable. If Bush retains Rove, we need to elect members of the Senate and the House in 2006 that will remove Bush from office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

It's funny how if you push these little robots hard enough they stop trying to hide their silliness. You don't give a damn about the "courts" or juries, or anything. You just want Rove gone, and you don't give a hang about 'justice' or any of the rest.

You'd think after all this time here at JU you'd be able to swell up from your two dimensional self into something with some depth, but no matter how hard we try, we simply can't bait anything out of you beyond this agenda.

You're a persona, not a person, Col. A person could claw their way out from behind the rhetoric every now and then and show some reason and humanity, especially when there's no answer beyond "the party line". Instead, you just revert back to your original statement over and over and over and over...

The Rove issue is a groundswell and it takes almost all the news media time. Every show that I turned to talked about Rove and what Bush would do now that it was claer Rove was the person who disclosed the fact Wilson"s wife was a COA agent and that she had somethong to do with Wilson going making his report to the CIA. Wilson's report about the yellowcake and that Saddam Hussein to did not try to buy that yellowcak was true. The 16 words Bush used in his state of the Union Address about the yellow cake was wrong!

One thing he's very clear, either Rove lied to Bush about his involvement or Bush has been lying to the American people. For George Bush to say he his confidence in Rove wrote clearly shows that George Bush has lost touch with reality. It Bush has confidence in Rove then America should not have confidence in Bush!

You need help, Col. Seriously. Get some. You don't want to talk about this, you want to state the party line over and over regardless of its TRUTH. Instead of giving you more excuses to ignore my posts and just state your same tired argument again, I'll leave you to it.

Frankly, I don't believe you are this two-dimensional. All I can assume since you don't deviate from your script is that this is some kind of job that requires you to stick to it. Sometime I hope you'll find the self-confidence to discuss this stuff with us, to actually read the reports you keep refering to, and to accept that this is all politics and both sides are corrupt.

When you get there, maybe we'll know the human reasons you feel so strongly about it, instead of the party line.

Bush has a real problem given his earlier statements about dealing with any White House Staff member involved in the release of a CIA agent's name. Now that it's karl Rove it's a whole different tune. I hope the press, the Democrats and the moderates pound on Bush until he does what he says he would and fire Rove

Get a CLUE, clueless! There is absolutely NO proof that he gave her name out!

The Washington Post has the strongest denial: Rove's lawyer said Rove never identified Plame to Cooper in those conversations. More significantly, Robert Luskin said, Fitzgerald assured him in October and again last week that Rove is not a target of his investigation. So, let's pull out the direct quotes from Robert Luskin, and see whether there is any obvious wiggle room in his denials. From Newsweek: Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him. "He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else," Luskin said.

Do you get it yet or do you need more?

Gene, you do provide comic relief.

Cheers,
Daiwa

The "groundswell" is nothing but the beltway idiots making noise, Gene. Hate to disappoint you, but there is no "there" there. The babbling hyenas are in heat, but that means little beyond a rather strange odor in the air.

Cheers,
Daiwa

If the war in Iraq was to make us safe from terrorism it has failed. I pray we do not experience another 9/11 or worse in America. With the lack of Border control, that is a real possibility. Another Bush failure-- Border security.

Because the borders were so secure before Bush was elected right col? It's not just the failure of Bush, it's the failure of the border Governors, and the Senators of those states? Why don't you blame them also col?

Col, how many times do we have to tell you that Plame was not a CIA agent? Do you understand this simple concept?

How many times are yo going avoid the question col? Will you admit you are nothing but a partisan democrat who gives passes on democrat wrongdoing?

The Rove issue is a groundswell and it takes almost all the news media time.

And the media has no credibility especially when it comes to the Bush administration. The media will lie and forge documents just to blame Bush.

Why does Rove get all this attention and democrats who do real crimes are ignored? Why do you ignore democratic wrongdoing col?

You need to read my latest blog on selective indignation. It fits very well with yours today.

I think Karl was pretty much caught red handed over the weekend. If it's good enough for Sandy, then prosecution should be in order for him as well.

The point is that no one in the government should EVER identify intelligence people to the media. It could put quite a few lives in danger. The fact it was politically motivated compounds it. It was a sleazy, dishonest, and dangerous thing to do.

But it's pretty much par for the course for bush's brain. Dirty tricks and lies are like oxygen to the bush administration. And it all stems from none other than Hot Karl himself. I for one am not suprised in the least.

I think a full congressional investigation is definately in order. At the minimum.

I can answer your previous question Doggie.....

Show me ONE instance in recent history where any dem who has broken the law has NOT been punished. James Trafficante is still sitting in a jail cell in Marion, IL. Bubba was impeached, Sandy got caught. But the self righteous nature of you and your party causes you to think that somehow republicans are above breaking the law. When in fact they excel at breaking it!

Tricky Dick
Newt
Tommy Boy DeLay
Karl Rove
G. Gordon Liddy
Rush
Spiro T Agnew

You righties refuse to accept one glaring fact. That corruption, graft, and high crimes aren't an exclusively democratic domain. Your team has just as much of a dark history as anybody else in this particular area.

Politics is a dirty business folks. Republican s**t smells just as bad as Democrat s**t.



Get off your high horsies fellas. Your guy got caught and the house of cards is just about to tip over. I'm just wondering if Karl has the balls to fall on his sword and take one for dubya.

Bubba was impeached

---Bubba? do you mean clinton...cause he was never impeached... when has newt gingrich done anything wrong? never heard anything about him...

I can answer your previous question Doggie..... Show me ONE instance in recent history where any dem who has broken the law has NOT been punished. James Trafficante is still sitting in a jail cell in Marion, IL. Bubba was impeached, Sandy got caught. But the self righteous nature of you and your party causes you to think that somehow republicans are above breaking the law. When in fact they excel at breaking it! Tricky Dick Newt Tommy Boy DeLay Karl Rove G. Gordon Liddy Rush Spiro T Agnew You righties refuse to accept one glaring fact. That corruption, graft, and high crimes aren't an exclusively democratic domain. Your team has just as much of a dark history as anybody else in this particular area. Politics is a dirty business folks. Republican s**t smells just as bad as Democrat s**t. Get off your high horsies fellas. Your guy got caught and the house of cards is just about to tip over. I'm just wondering if Karl has the balls to fall on his sword and take one for dubya.

Your the one that obviously needs to get off their high horse. I said this before and so have alot of other people. Rove gave NO ONE Plame's name. Even the papers say so! Tom Delay? Has NOT been either charged nor convicted of any crime. Liddy? He did his time, get over it! Rush? under investigation, we'll see. Tricky Dick? I'll go along with on this one. He should have spent time in jail. Newt? I'd like to know what you think he did wrong. And the same with Agnew. So ours have paid their dues as have yours (with the exception of Kerry). Whats the point of all this?

Your the one that obviously needs to get off their high horse. I said this before and so have alot of other people. Rove gave NO ONE Plame's name. Even the papers say so! Tom Delay? Has NOT been either charged nor convicted of any crime. Liddy? He did his time, get over it! Rush? under investigation, we'll see. Tricky Dick? I'll go along with that he should have spent time. Newt? I'd like to know what you think he did wrong. And the same with Agnew. So ours have paid their dues as have yours (with the exception of Kerry). Whats the point of all this?

--Also, i heard that Pelosi herself is under investigation for the very same thing Delay is being bashed for...takes one to know one...wonder why no liberals have mentioned that...perhaps they don't listen to that type of news... (sarcasim)

Sandy berger was convicted of a misdemeanor, fined $10k and lost his security clearance for 3 years. I wonder if Dems would be satisfied with that for Rove? Based upon all the "frog marched in handcuffs" junk, I assume they want the gallows or something similar. Berger's penalty would be railed against as a slap on the wrist.

If this had come out of the blue, I'd tend to agree more, but the Left around here have been slamming Rove since day one. He's been blamed for Iraq, called a child molester, a homosexual, blah, blah. Now that there is something we're supposed to think it is some unbiased, righteous outrage? Hardly.

If Rove knowingly outed a covert agent, risking her life, then sure, give him the works. If Rove simply said "That jerk's wife got him the job by harping to her bosses.", then I think you'll have to stretch it to make it "Identifying a covert agent."

I'd add that if Rove gets an OUNCE of punishment, the reporters in question should get ten times as much. Novak and the guy from TIME are the ones who put her name in the public view.

Even if Rove told them, they didn't have to publish it. They made the choice to "out" her publicly, so they should hang TWICE if Rove hangs. If not, it will send a message to the press that they aren't accountable so long as they find a scapegoat to leak to them.

Get off your high horsies fellas. Your guy got caught and the house of cards is just about to tip over.

This is just absurd, TGISLC. There's no "high horsie" to get off of here. "Our" guy hasn't been "caught" and there is no house of cards. Why do you refuse to see the facts staring you in the face? There was no intent to "out" anyone or compromise a CIA agent or get revenge on Wilson, a motive completely invented by the press and unsupported by anything other than reporters' imaginations. Even some liberals are acknowledging that Rove was simply cautioning Cooper that Wilson was unreliable (as has since been confirmed by the Senate Intelligence committee) and that Rove spoke on condition that the information not be used (that double secret background business - pretty funny moniker but legitimate invocation, nonetheless) - he didn't even know Wilson's wife's name or the nature of her work at the CIA, only that he'd heard she worked there & had gotten him the job, and was explicit with Cooper that even that was not for publication. How anyone can twist all this into "intent to out a CIA operative to embarrass Wilson" is beyond logical understanding. Exactly how would that "discredit" Wilson anyway? The fact is what Rove was alluding to was true and it was Wilson who was jerking the presses chain. If anyone should be having his nuts held to the fire by the press, it's Wilson - we know he lied and tried to take advantage of what he learned on a classified mission for political purposes. But Wilson's animosity toward the administration makes him a fellow traveler and earns him a pass. For the press & the left, it's the ends, not the means.

Whatever transgressions committed in the past, real or imagined, by operatives of either party, have no bearing on this particular brouhaha. Intellectual honesty requires that the facts be examined neutrally. It further requires that we wait to learn what, if anything, the special prosecutor or the grand jury may say about Rove's actions and truthfulness with the grand jury. This has been nothing more than a political lynching attempt. I'm willing to bet that almost noone outside the Beltway has anything but disgust for it. Nonetheless, If Rove has lied about his conversation with Cooper, then he should savor his just desserts and resign. My money says he told truth and has nothing to fear.

Cheers,
Daiwa

a homosexual

--how ironic...

-Also, i heard that Pelosi herself is under investigation for the very same thing Delay is being bashed for...takes one to know one...wonder why no liberals have mentioned that...perhaps they don't listen to that type of news...

Wonder why the MSM isn't covering it the way the covered Delay?

I can answer your previous question Doggie..... Show me ONE instance in recent history where any dem who has broken the law has NOT been punished. James Trafficante is still sitting in a jail cell in Marion, IL. Bubba was impeached, Sandy got caught. But the self righteous nature of you and your party causes you to think that somehow republicans are above breaking the law. When in fact they excel at breaking it! Tricky Dick Newt Tommy Boy DeLay Karl Rove G. Gordon Liddy Rush Spiro T Agnew

As other posters have already said, I would to see all the crimes committed by some of these people. Why does the media go into a frenzy when a Repbulican is accused of wrongdoing, but totally ignores it when it's a democrat?

What someone else did does not justify what Rove and Limbaugh did. They are both "DIRT BAGS" that pose as moral Americans. Any person who can justify their actions are just like them and are the bottom feeders of our society!

What someone else did does not justify what Rove and Limbaugh did. They are both "DIRT BAGS" that pose as moral Americans. Any person who can justify their actions are just like them and are the bottom feeders of our society!

Thanks for providing more of your opinions col. Will you finally admit you are completely partisan and give passes to democrats now?

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

What a lame argument that Rove did not use her actual name. You do not need to say her name when you say Wilson's wife works for the CIA. It clearly idenyifies her as a CIA Agent. Another issue is who gave Wilson his assignment in Iraq. Last night CNN stated that Cheney was the one that gave him his assignment not Wilson's wife!

Is there anything Bush or his staff could do that would get the Bushies to admit he or his staff are worng?

What someone else did does not justify what Rove and Limbaugh did. They are both "DIRT BAGS" that pose as moral Americans. Any person who can justify their actions are just like them and are the bottom feeders of our society!

Why don't you just take a hike, asshat? Rove did nothing and when he gets acquitted I will expect an apology from you. Oh, that's right you'll just ignore that fact. Talk about bottom feeders, look in a mirror.

What a lame argument that Rove did not use her actual name. You do not need to say her name when you say Wilson's wife works for the CIA. It clearly idenyifies her as a CIA Agent. Another issue is who gave Wilson his assignment in Iraq. Last night CNN stated that Cheney was the one that gave him his assignment not Wilson's wife!

She was not an agent col. Do you understand this?

Last night CNN stated that Cheney was the one that gave him his assignment not Wilson's wife!

There is no proof that Cheney did that. All the reports I have read is that his wife was repsonsible. That's CNN for you, distort the facts to bash Bush. Sound familiar col?

Another reminder col. She was not a CIA agent, or a spy.