Karl Rove is Source in Plame Case

Ohhh.... An MSNBC analyst. Well, surely that makes it so. Might be good to wait until actual facts are available, though, don't you think? I believe there've been a couple of cases where speculative reports actually ended up being wrong. At least one, I'm almost certain.

Kind of funny in a way - an analyst using an anonymous source to leak the name of an alleged anonymous source.

This reminder from the Joe User Suicide Prevention Team, zink - Bush's term in office will end ~1-20-09, no matter what. However, the way things are going, that may offer rather cold comfort.

Cheers,
Daiwa

All the analysts had deep throat pegged with their insider information, too, huh?. People have been trying to "get" Rove from day one. People have publicly announced they want to see him led away in handcuffs, and they don't care how they get it done.

Maybe this is their way. I find it hard to believe that people can recongnize the abuses of the administration without recognizing the potential for this kind of witchhunt from the other side.

"It's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words." -- Joseph Wilson(D)

Now, maybe they can get the press to help out a bit. How wonderful for Lefty character assassins that only the Left is innocent until proven guilty in the court of Democratic opinion...

Who ever it turns out to be, once they have been identified they should be charged and tried. If they are found guilty they should be punished as the law provides.

Ohhh.... An MSNBC analyst. Well, surely that makes it so. Might be good to wait until actual facts are available, though, don't you think? I believe there've been a couple of cases where speculative reports actually ended up being wrong. At least one, I'm almost certain. Kind of funny in a way - an analyst using an anonymous source to leak the name of an alleged anonymous source. This reminder from the Joe User Suicide Prevention Team, zink - Bush's term in office will end ~1-20-09, no matter what. However, the way things are going, that may offer rather cold comfort. Cheers, Daiwa

He never said whether they were true or not. He said IF these speculations are true, Karl Rove is in deep shit.

"He never said whether they were true or not. He said IF these speculations are true, Karl Rove is in deep shit."

Yep, the great "IF" weapon of the Left. Doesn't matter if the sh*t sticks, it just needs to leave a smudge...

thanks, Latour. It doesn't matter whether I said "if this is true.." Repugs just hate it when the left points out that one of theirs may be dirty as dirt. I'm just waiting for someone to come in and blame Clinton.

why wasn't novak subpoenaed?

Very good question. He is, after all, the only reporter (for lack of a better term) that actually reported the Plame identity. My guess is that he was working with the White House all along, and is busy cutting a deal with them, in the name of national security. For all we know, he'll be the next Supreme Court nominee.

Well, since you were clearly giving Rove the benefit of the doubt by using the "if" qualifer, presuming him innocent until proven guilty, I assume you take the same respectful attitude toward his "chow boy."

Cheers,
Daiwa

From what I've already read, Rove's chow boy is guilty as sin. But, because neocons and conservatives run congress and the white house, he will not be brought up on charges. At least, not until they fall from their dubious graces.

Who ever it turns out to be, once they have been identified they should be charged and tried. If they are found guilty they should be punished as the law provides.

This Rove situation will endure in the political spectrum of stark partisanship. The climate in Washington is to take down your enemy at all cost. This is a negative trend that will affect any politician who appears to be vulnerable. I don’t see how this is a good thing.

From what I've already read, Rove's chow boy is guilty as sin. But, because neocons and conservatives run congress and the white house, he will not be brought up on charges. At least, not until they fall from their dubious graces.

What have you read? An "analysts" opinion. As most accusations against Bush, Rove, and the other people the left hate the most, you have absolutely no proof of your accusations.

Still waiting for proof.

From what I've already read, Rove's chow boy is guilty as sin. But, because neocons and conservatives run congress and the white house, he will not be brought up on charges. At least, not until they fall from their dubious graces.

Why won't you answer Island Dogs claim? Is it because he's correct and you've been caught?

It's really unfortunate people can be so ridiculous and deliberately blind. Of course the serious crime of outing a CIA agent is on the backburner. A sane American would demand to know how this all came to pass, for we all know this action is treason and should be condemned. But no. Instead we have people insulting people, making fun of people, taking political sides, and again the result is:
What Democracy Really Means
Like I've always stated, the party system is deliberate in its intent. Here we have an action of treason, and you idiots talk politics and sides and vendettas and all that shite. Maybe if you blind leading the blind would ONLY address the issue then something could be done about it. F**k the fact someone may be a Democrat, F**k the fact someone may be a Republican. Deal with and only with the very real issue of an act of treason which jeapordized an American agent's identity and by extension their life. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Democrat. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Republican. He did it as a punishment directed at someone who crossed his political line.

Zink, try a little logic.

If Rove was the leak, do you think the MSM would not have passed the info along to the kerry Camp in 04 to torpedo Bush?

When you look at it that way, you see that Rove cannot be the leak or they would have used that a long time ago against him.  After all, the MSM hates Rove.

But this is all play anyway.  The leaker was Joe Wilson himself.

Deal with and only with the very real issue of an act of treason which jeapordized an American agent's identity and by extension their life. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Democrat. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Republican. He did it as a punishment directed at someone who crossed his political line.

Who are you talking about being blind? You are saying Rove committed treason with no proof. Why? Because of your blind hatred for Bush and anybody around him.

I asked for proof and not one person has provided a single piece of evidence showing Rove did anything wrong, or anything at all for that matter.

Something else I find interesting is that people have already convicted Rove, but Sandy Berger gets caught red handed stealing top secret documents, and it's swept under the rug by the media. Tell me there is no liberal agenda again.

It's really unfortunate people can be so ridiculous and deliberately blind. Of course the serious crime of outing a CIA agent is on the backburner.

Since she was not an Agent, but only an annalist (i.e. department staff, not field officer), a trial for treason would be out. Whoever it was, they would just be subject to all penalties related to releasing "Confidential" information. Something far from "Top Secret", or "Secret".

I personally don't think it was Rove for one simple common sense fact:

1. The event in question happened in 2003.
2. Those who are pointing the fingers now, claim to have known since 2003 that it was Rove.
3. Every one claiming now to know it was Rove, are all vocal flaming left wing liberals.
4. We just went through a knock down, drag out fight for the presidency.
5. Why did they not say something at the ultimate moment to bring Bush and his campaign manager down?

It just does not make since why these ultra liberals didn't slam Bush at the best time to do so.

What have you read? An "analysts" opinion. As most accusations against Bush, Rove, and the other people the left hate the most, you have absolutely no proof of your accusations.

Proof is just an unnecessary inconvenience, ID. Just ask Dan Rather. All that matters is the charge and the "issues the charge raises."

Proof of wrongdoing (probably qualifying as treason in some respects) is documented and admitted by Berger but the left just dismisses going after him as nitpicking by the "vast RWC."

This whole thing is just a continuation of the failed tactics used by many in the runup to the election last November - hurl accusation after accusation, innuendo after innuendo, without factual foundation, and hope that something sticks or tars someone. How could Rove do anything that could possibly make him any more evil than the left already believe him to be? He was "convicted" by the left for high crimes (AKA "winning") long ago, as zink not so eloquently makes clear. The left is desparate for a scalp, any scalp, no matter. Their desparation just makes them look smaller and smaller. Not a statesman among them anymore.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Who are you talking about being blind? You are saying Rove committed treason with no proof. Why? Because of your blind hatred for Bush and anybody around him.

One day he is sane, the next nuts! I placed him well on the cusp on the Liberal and the LLL

Proof is just an unnecessary inconvenience, ID. Just ask Dan Rather. All that matters is the charge and the "issues the charge raises."

And the seriousness of the charges! Evidence be damned! It is the seriousness of the charges!

Who else said that? Hmmmmm, maybe Germany circa 1940? Sounds like the Socialist in nationalist Socialist is coming home to roost!

If it turns out to be Rove or sone other very senior Bush staff member there are two very interesting questions. First, who, if anyone, directed them to leak the info? Second, what will Bush do if the source is convicted and sent to prison?

One day he is sane, the next nuts! I placed him well on the cusp on the Liberal and the LLL

When it comes to someone like Rove, the left hates him about as much as Bush, maybe more. You see how I have asked for proof several times and nobody responds. It's just like asking the col to prove one of his allegations without using polls.

Rove and no proof. It's so silly bordering on lunacy. We all know politicians do dirty deeds and this Rove is no different. You can't possibly be saying he's never done anything wrong ever. And Wilson himself. I kind of think your ignorance got the better of you. What a joke. Sentence 1. Don't judge Rove with no evidence (it's actually public knowledge now so someone who commented is on crack). Sentence 2. Ahhh Wilson himself did it....Speaking about proof with no proof to back it up? Followup please.

Like I've always stated, the party system is deliberate in its intent. Here we have an action of treason, and you idiots talk politics and sides and vendettas and all that shite. Maybe if you blind leading the blind would ONLY address the issue then something could be done about it. F**k the fact someone may be a Democrat, F**k the fact someone may be a Republican. Deal with and only with the very real issue of an act of treason which jeapordized an American agent's identity and by extension their life. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Democrat. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Republican. He did it as a punishment directed at someone who crossed his political line.

Please explain just how you see this as treason:

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."