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Hatred for America in the Muslem World!

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Hatred for America in the Muslem World!

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Over the last several weeks, the level of demonstrations directed against the United States throughout the Muslim world has increased. We have seen tens of thousands demonstrate against us in Indonesian, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. In the past, we have seen schools in the Muslem world preaching anti-American sentiment.

The incident with Laura Bush on Sunday should make it crystal clear to almost anyone how fundamental the hatred is in the Muslim world toward the United States. Mrs. Bush is quoted as saying “As we all know, this is a place of very high tensions and high emotions”. Why the Bush administration thought they could improve the atmosphere in the Muslim world by sending Laura Bush into that area demonstrates their refusal to accept the fact that we are hated by millions of Muslims and they just want us to leave them alone. We are fortunate that Mrs. Bush’s visit did not result in a much more difficult incident. Her visit has capped several weeks of demonstrations that show the depth and breadth of the hatred felt by Muslims toward Americans. I know there are some who will claim that the little children come up to our military in Iraq and I am sure there are Muslems who accept Americans. That does not change the fact that millions hold pure hatred toward Americans. The administration should read the book, “Imperial Hubris” by the former CIA bin Laden section chief to get a better idea of what these people really think of Americans and WHY they hate us so much! . We have a much more dangerous problem with Muslem hatred then most Americans understand!
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
By the way, Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister, also used Nostradamus's predictions, tweaked to indicate Nazi victory, in their war efforts.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Rightwinger

So did the US Military sight Nostradamus since he predicted the US would destroy the second antichrist as he called Hitler.

you ask what we should do to combat the Moslem extremists. Here are two things so we could do.

We need to take a more even handed stance with Israel and the Palestinians. The Palestinians need to let the Israelis alone and the Israelis need to take their army out of the West Bank and Gaza, dismantle their Jewish settlements and build their wall along their existing border. We need to insist in exchange for an end to Palestinian attacking Israel that Israel abide by international law.

We need to become energy independent so that we can disengage from the politics of the Middle East which currently is impossible because of our dependence on their oil.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Rightwinger

So did the US Military sight Nostradamus since he predicted the US would destroy the second antichrist as he called Hitler.


Yes, but in response to Nazi propaganda, and they didn't have to tweak them.

We need to take a more even handed stance with Israel and the Palestinians. The Palestinians need to let the Israelis alone and the Israelis need to take their army out of the West Bank and Gaza, dismantle their Jewish settlements and build their wall along their existing border. We need to insist in exchange for an end to Palestinian attacking Israel that Israel abide by international law.


But would the Palestinians go for that? With shitstirrers like Arafat out of the picture, there may be hope.
One of the main problems is that BOTH sides claim that they have a divinely-ordained right to the area. That's hard to overcome, especially when you're dealing with Moslems, many of whom are more than a little backward, and are informed only by their clerics, and then only of what the clerics want them to know.



We need to become energy independent so that we can disengage from the politics of the Middle East which currently is impossible because of our dependence on their oil.


Wow......this we agree on. Only thing is, the oil companies (BUSHILTER JINGOISTIC CHIMP) will never let it happen. It makes them more money the way it is now.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Also, to become energy independent would require drilling in certain areas sacred to the Greens, and the treehuggers would never let that happen, either
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

I guess I fall in the middle here but I do know one thing...

"Justice for Jews" get a Thesaurus and find some new words other than SICK!
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
The best way to become more energy independent is increase the mileage of our cars, SUV's and trucks. Also invest in more new energy technology

So long as Israel has its army in the West bank and Gaza, and maintains Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza , no settlement is possible. What do you think we would do if Mexico moved its army into Texas and build Mexican settlements in California?
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
" The best way to become more energy independent is increase the mileage of our cars, SUV's and trucks"

When the non-white population depend on these vehicles? SICK!
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
""Justice for Jews" get a Thesaurus and find some new words other than SICK!"

Oh I get it, pick on the Jewish guy!

RACIST AND SICK!
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Muslims do not separate their religious beliefs from their secular life the way the Western world does. They believe that the actions of the United States and Israel are anti-Muslem and as a Muslems and they have a responsibility in their own way to fight anyone who they believe is anti-Muslem. They look at our presence in the Middle East as anti-Muslim and a look at the occupation by Israel of the West Bank and Gaza as well as the Jewish settlements and the wall as actions against Muslims. You would do well to read about the real root causes of why millions of Muslims hate Americas and Jews.


You just explained the reason, their religion.

As far as your oppposition against something like the wall, well that is typical. Maybe if the palestinian terrorists didn't keep blowing people up the wall wouldn't be there. Ever thought of that? The problem is, neither do they. People like the palestinians and their "supporters" rather go the terrorism way then any other. Now they don't like the consequences.

You can't pander to muslims just so they will like you.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
We also can not get into a war with 1.2 Billion people in 60 countries in the world!
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
The best way to become more energy independent is increase the mileage of our cars, SUV's and trucks. Also invest in more new energy technology


--Or have everyone ride their bikes... :notsure:

So long as Israel has its army in the West bank and Gaza, and maintains Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza , no settlement is possible. What do you think we would do if Mexico moved its army into Texas and build Mexican settlements in California?


--Wasn't modern day israel, israels any way...before the palestinians settled...i mean if it was, then technically it is still theres...hmmm?

""Justice for Jews" get a Thesaurus and find some new words other than SICK!"

Oh I get it, pick on the Jewish guy!

RACIST AND SICK!


--ya Know, JFJ, you are getting a bit annoying, so i am going to say something,then ignore you...and maybe you can just go away...all she was saying was that you said the same thing over and over,try some new word,one that would better emphasise what you mean...try it....,now, i'm going to ignore you...have a nice day,some where else....

ok?
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, the West bank and Gaza were NOT part of Israel . They took it in the 1967 War and have held it ever since that war. Israel is in vilolation of international law and UN resolutions. We went to war in Iraq because Saddam refused to obey UN resolutions. We stand by as Israel does the same thing. Israel has the right to exiist within the borders of Israel but not in Gaza or the West Bank. Our one-sided support for Israel is one reason the Muslems hate us. We need to have a policy that says Israel has the right to live in peace within the borders established prior to 1967. They have the right to build their wall if they choose but only along their borders. That is not what they are doing. They are trying to extent their borders by building the wall arround the settlements that should not exist in the first place.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just on a fairly irrelevent side note... where I am in Indonesia at least the locals don't so much hate America as feel deeply disappointed in it. They think it has the potential to be fantastic but far too often it disappoints. They protest because they want it to rethink, not disappear. Or at least that's how my local friends explain it - I'm sure there are fanatics who really do hate America though, there's that kind of person everywhere.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
cactoblasta

Thanks for your input. Where the US has a problem is when we do things that enable the radical Muslems that HATE us to secure more support for their cause with the more moderate Muslems. Many experts believe the Iraq war has created more converts to the radical side than true friends for the US. When we support Israel in keeping settlements in the West Bank or building their wall into the West bank we give our enemies "amo" to use aginst us. Sending Laura Bush to the Dome of the Rock was BUMB! This is the site that touched off four years of KILLING when Ariel Sharon visited that site. We must stop helping our enemies (the radical Muslems) by doing things that are considered anti- Muslem.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think you misunderstood me COL Gene. The radicals aren't getting support from the moderates (and of course I say this with the proviso 'where I live'). The moderates still hate the radicals, and still undermine them and in certain extreme cases hunt them down with knives if they hear of any potentially deadly activities. The radicals are simply able to ride the backs of the moderates and make their cause seem more popular by latching onto the same parades and seizing mike space. It doesn't mean they actually attract moderate support - after all, anyone who's been to a protest about anything will probably concede they too cheered half-heartedly (or even faked enthusiasm) for some moron they didn't fully agree with.

I don't know what this seizure of moderate movements serves to be honest, but I have a feeling it's not a conspiracy by the US government or anything they could conceivably do anything about, because it's impossible for a government to show cultural compassion and understanding when their constituency, like all people everywhere, is afraid of the outsider.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have more knowledge about the middle east then in the part of the world you live in but most experts I have read say our actions are creating more enemies then friends in the Muslem World.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
They took it in the 1967 War and have held it ever since that war.


A war the arabs started. They lost their land and now they have to deal with it.


Sending Laura Bush to the Dome of the Rock was BUMB! This is the site that touched off four years of KILLING when Ariel Sharon visited that site. We must stop helping our enemies (the radical Muslems) by doing things that are considered anti- Muslem.


If you can't visit a site because you are going to "offend" muslims then once again, islam is the problem. Sharon visits a "site" and there are years of killings because of it. Something is wrong here and it's not Sharons fault. You can't appease muslims just so they will like you. They want totaly control of the world and playing nice with them will only make things worse.

Everything we do is anti-muslim. Their so-called religion states that. If invading Iraq and bringing democracy to the region make more radicals hate us, then so be it. It just makes targeting them that much simpler.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
IslandDog & Helix the II

No that is not how it works. We won WWII and do not occupy Germany, Italy or Japan. The issue is that Israel is in violation of international law and UN resolutions. There will NEVER be a settlement so long as their Army is in the West Bank and Gaza.

Also if you think we can ignore 1.2 Billion Muslems you have lost your minds!
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
Gene -

Tell me you were kidding with that Nostradamus crap. Tell me that's just one of your clever jokes. Because if you really do buy into that malarky, you've truly stepped off the intellectual cliff and entered the Twilight Zone, losing all credibility on anything & everything, forever to be ignored. You simply can't be taken seriously by anyone but the Roswell crowd. Farewell.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
Remember col, islam is the problem, not the U.S.


Well that says it all about your position. Man thats an unbelievably perverse statement. In a single sentence you lay all your cards on the table. Wicked.

To me its just simple racism on your behalf but perhaps you can enlighten me. Please explain why you believe Islam is the problem with the Middle East.
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
To know the enemy is to defeat the enemy and I think it's been clear from the start that the war is against the terrorists and not Islam. To lump the enemy and their potential adherents as one and say
islam is the problem
is the surest way to lose this war.

There is a great difference betwen appeasement of the enemy and understanding his goals. The enemy wants to draw us back to the Crusades so that he can raise his army as our knee-jerk military reactions to his antics push more Muslims to his side. Our moves, therefore, should always be in keeping with understanding his moves, unless, of course, we want him to win.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
No that is not how it works. We won WWII and do not occupy Germany, Italy or Japan. The issue is that Israel is in violation of international law and UN resolutions. There will NEVER be a settlement so long as their Army is in the West Bank and Gaza.


We are not talking about WWII. We are talking about a war arabs started and still can't get over the fact that they lost and didn't destroy Israel. U.N. resolutions have nothing to do with it. The "palestinians" don't want a free state, they want the total destruction of Israel. This is the statements they make.

Since you are so interested in polls all the time, the polls I see taken in "palestine" always show the same thing. The palestinians want the destruction of Israel and they support terrorism as a way to do that.

Here is another example of their mentality.

“The day will come when we will rule the United States, the day will come when we will rule Britain, we will rule the whole world [and all will live in peace and comfort under our rule] except the Jews. The Jews will not live in peace and comfort under our rule. Treachery will keep being their nature throughout history. The day will come when the whole world will rid itself of the Jews.”


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So col, to once again correct you. There will never be peace until this "religion" reforms itself.
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
To me its just simple racism on your behalf but perhaps you can enlighten me. Please explain why you believe Islam is the problem with the Middle East.


It's not racism at all. What's the base of most terrorism in the world? Islam.

Do you really need me to explain the oppression by islamic regimes in the middle east?

I could go on, but this sums it up best.

... or are some of the rest of you getting just a little bit tired of all of the butt kissing we're delivering to disgruntled Muslims out there. This whole flap over the faulty Newsweek story is starting to get under several different patches of my skin.

Reuters is reporting from Islamabad that the Pakistani government remains unhappy with Newsweek. Well, don't feel pregnant, Pakistan. But Pakistani Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad pushes things just a bit with his statement that we need to work harder at understanding the sensitivities of the Islamic people. He says "The apology and retraction are not enough. "They (Newsweek) should understand the sentiments of Muslims and think 101 times before publishing news which hurt feelings of Muslims."

Sorry, pal. I'm not buying it. I getting just a bit beyond the point where I'm all bent out of shape trying to understand Islamic sensitivities. If there is something about your religion that should make me feel badly about poor Muslims getting their feelings hurt, you had better get it out there on the table now. All I see is a religion that seems to take great pleasure in passing condemnations and "death sentences" on various people around the world for all sorts of meaningless infractions of some great system of Islamic law.

I'm just not going to get all worked up worrying about the sensitivities of devotees of a religion that will stone a woman to death for adultery, while letting the man go unpunished.

Sensitivity would not be the word to describe how I feel about a religion that is in some way involved in more than 95% of the actual shooting conflicts and wars around the world.

Muslims shoot school children in the back! Remember Chechnya? They brag about bombs in schools in Israel! Tell me again about how I need to be sensitive?

The daughter of a devout Muslim gets violently raped. The devout Muslim takes a knife and, in front of the entire family, cuts his daughter's throat because she has dishonored her family .... by being a rape victim. Yeah, sport. Let me just pour out my sensitivities to this practitioner of the religion of peace.

There's a school on fire outside Riyadh. It's a girls school. The girls are trying to escape! But wait! Their faces aren't covered! It's the Islamic defenders of the faith to the rescue! They block the doors to keep the young Muslim girls from escaping ... from a burning building. The dignity of the great and wonderful religion of peace must be protected, even if young women burn to death! Yeah ... my respect for your sensitivities is on the way.

Those insurgents who are killing innocent civilians in Iraq? The suicide bombers in their cars and trucks? Haven't you heard? Most of them are from Saudi Arabia. They're crossing borders to kill innocent women and children because they don't like the idea of people being able to chose those who will rule them. I'm feeling so sensitive to that.

Tell you what: When you stop killing your own daughters; when you stop trying to lock young girls into burning buildings; when you eschew shooting school children in the back; and when I can look in a newspaper and read that Muslims are NOT involved in one way or another in revolts, insurrections and hot wars around the world --- and when you're not working so hard to kill American civilians --- and when you start to show some tolerance and respect for the world's other religions .. then maybe I'll feel a bit more worm and fuzzy toward your incredible religion of peace.


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Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's not racism at all. What's the base of most terrorism in the world? Islam.


Really wow and here i was thinking it was repression. How do you define a terrorist?
Reply #50 from PolMach Forums Top
"the Israelis need to take their army out of the West Bank and Gaza, dismantle their Jewish settlements and build their wall along their existing border"


What border would that be? Israel doesn't have a border with the West Bank. It has an armistace line.