Ok If the Chinese won't help

Here's What America does

from JoeUser Forums
It seems like the RED Chinese will not help curb their running maddog, North Korea, I mean what do they care if they go nucular?

The North Koreans missles will be pointed at Japan and America so what does China get for stopping this madman jong from being a threat?

When will America see that China does not give a flying fig if america falls? They will simply market their goods to Europe, land of cowards.

Here is what America Needs to do, Offer to share our nucular technology, with Japan, Tiawan and South Korea, not give them the
Know how to make nukes, give them nukes and the system to deliver them.

Now China has something to lose, big time.
China HATES japan and has never forgiven the Japanses for WW2, The Japanese feel the same about the chinese.

Now 3 countries surrounding China will be armed with nukes, China will not like that, having these countries aiming missles at them as well as at their lapdog,. North Korea.

So If we state our intentions to arm these 3 traditional enemies of China, China will "see" the wisdom of keeping nukes OUT of North Koreas hands. Period. Self Preservation a huge Push to some common sense.


Ps, will post in a day or 2 about todays dr. visit, >
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
This scenario sounds like the nuke version of "an armed society is a polite society".
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Wednesday, May 11, 2005This scenario sounds like the nuke version of "an armed society is a polite society".


kinda, mostly it gives China an "incentive" to help curb North Koreas nuke aspirations.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Truth be told, I do not favor gaining help through threats. But I do recognize that it is neccessary in some cases, and that China is no friend to the U.S.
Reply #4 from PolMach Forums Top
I think, though it could be diplomatic suicide, would be ideal, be a asian cold war, and could result in a few pot shots. It could force each nation to make more of an effort in negotiations, it would definantly make europe S**T their pants....
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
apparently yall have forgotten the implications of a nuclear war anywhere in the world. even if there was some way to prevent the rest of the world from being slowly poisoned, do you really wanna go back to the days when everyone expected we were gonna be vaporized sooner or later?

it aint gonna scare the north koreans anyway. they're the least likely to get hurt badly of all parties involved.

if china isn't that important to the process why is bush still insisting on 6-nation negotiations?
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Good point King.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
One it would violate almost every treaty in existance, so it will never happen.  And 2, while South Korea  might take you up on the offer, Japan never will.  And I dont trust South Korea to be a stable place in perpetuity.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
3 by NJforever
Wednesday, May 11, 2005


Truth be told, I do not favor gaining help through threats. But I do recognize that it is neccessary in some cases, and that China is no friend to the U.S


neither do I nj, but all pleas to the chinese and diplomacy with the north koreas have failed to yeild a damn thing.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
4 by Lucas Bailey
Wednesday, May 11, 2005


think, though it could be diplomatic suicide, would be ideal, be a asian cold war, and could result in a few pot shots. It could force each nation to make more of an effort in negotiations, it would definantly make europe S**T their pants....


but it's not europe negociating with the N.K. its russia , japan, south K, china and america, as usual europe is sitting on the sidelines.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
#5 by kingbee
Thursday, May 12, 2005


apparently yall have forgotten the implications of a nuclear war anywhere in the world. even if there was some way to prevent the rest of the world from being slowly poisoned, do you really wanna go back to the days when everyone expected we were gonna be vaporized sooner or later?

it aint gonna scare the north koreans anyway. they're the least likely to get hurt badly of all parties involved.

if china isn't that important to the process why is bush still insisting on 6-nation negotiations?


China controls n.k. oil. food. china can easly MAKE nk behave , but they have nothing to gain. By arming some traditional enemies of china, NOW they have something to lose.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
6 by thatoneguyinslc
Thursday, May 12, 2005


Good point King.


no it's NOT a good point, see my answer above.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
#7 by Dr. Guy
Thursday, May 12, 2005


One it would violate almost every treaty in existance, so it will never happen. And 2, while South Korea might take you up on the offer, Japan never will. And I dont trust South Korea to be a stable place in perpetuity.


since the north Koreas have already violated all treaties, except the ceasefire of 1953,whats to lose doc? DO you want nukes in the hands of terrorist< because surely as I breath, thats where they will go if n.k. goes nuke.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
#7 by Dr. Guy
Thursday, May 12, 2005


One it would violate almost every treaty in existance, so it will never happen. And 2, while South Korea might take you up on the offer, Japan never will. And I dont trust South Korea to be a stable place in perpetuity.


since the north Koreas have already violated all treaties, except the ceasefire of 1953,whats to lose doc? DO you want nukes in the hands of terrorist< because surely as I breath, thats where they will go if n.k. goes nuke.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's a misconception that the Chinese and the North Koreans are pals. They basically hate each other and always have. They barely held their relations together during the Korean war, and afterward they were a pawn between the Soviets and the Chinese.

They may rely on Chinese aid, but I think their aid relations with South Korea are about as good as they are with the Chinese, which is to say relatively abysmal. There was a quote I thought funny that said some Chinese official had accused "Beloved Leader" of being the only fat man in Korea. In reality millions have starved there in recent decades.

If you look into it there is a cultural war going on with the Chinese over their shared history as well. I think the Chinese would be perfectly happy just to annex the Korean penninsula and have it over with, and the Koreans know that. They most certainly aren't rooting for the health and prosperity of the North Koreans.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Thursday, May 12, 2005It's a misconception that the Chinese and the North Koreans are pals


I for one never called them pals or anything else I called the north koreans China lapdog, and that is aptly put, if china completely turned their back on N.K. , N.K. would fold.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
"I for one never called them pals or anything else I called the north koreans China lapdog, and that is aptly put, if china completely turned their back on N.K. , N.K. would fold."


Lap dog entails some sort of service or devotion. As I said, North Korea hates China, and the only reason China accomodates them is because they don't want other nations to have more influence there. Aid from China is like an IV tube. They like North Korea poor, it isn't intended to help, rather it is to keep just enough stability to ensure an independant North Korea that owes them something.

I don't think North Korea would "fold", I think millions more would just starve, and other nations like South Korea, or Russia, or the US would buy influence there. So, for them to let North Korea rot on the vine would be to defeat the purpose in the small amount of life support they offer the nation.

They'd much, much rather North Korea have a handful of nuclear weapons than to see North Korea get all warm and fuzzy with nations China opposes. The CHinese know that unless they allow us to, the US will not invade North Korea.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lap dog entails some sort of service or devotion


lapdog in the world sense does not denote devotion, it denotes subservence, period, and n.k. was saved by the chinese in the 1950 conflict baker, that does not sound like the chinese hated or hate n.k. to me
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
They didn't fight for the North Koreans, they fought against the US who would have had a puppet regime on their border easily without their opposition. I suggest you look into their relations with each other during the war and shortly thereafter.

Anyway, the premise here seems to be that the Chinese gives a damn one way or the other. Their interest is to keep the US and nations they hate out of NK. Other than that NK could have nukes, or starve, or whatever, they don't care. They want A) for the world to hate NK, and B) for NK to be reliant on them.

If they abandon NK, people they don't want to have influence in NK will. We already protect Japan, Taiwan and South Korea with our own nuclear weapons on submarines.

The Chinese would LOVE it if we started a "Taiwanese Missle Crisis" by doing to them what Russia did to us. Don't pretend the Chinese are somehow squeamish about conflict. They are much, much more apt to respond to us than we are to them.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
im guessing the chinese and the south koreans have a common concern about north korea (altho not it's not shared in the sense they're working together towards a common goal)--one that involves the next worst possibility following nuclear attacks: 20+ million people flooding over one or both borders. wayyyyy more people than rushed outta what was formerly east germany into what had been west gemany. the south korean economy would be doused...im not sure it would be fatal to china but it sure wouldnt be fun.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
"..im not sure it would be fatal to china but it sure wouldnt be fun."


LOL, no, a few million people added to the billion+ Chinese population wouldn't be fatal. On the contrary, the Chinese would just put them to work. That is, if they just didn't disappear.

I think my difference with this and many blogs on China comes from the misconception that they think remotely the way we do. This is an alien values system that westerners just can't relate to. China isn't much different now than it was 1000 years ago. They just converted Communism to accomodate their dark ages system of class and empire.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Beloved Leader"


has he gone back to that? i remember reading--maybe a couple months ago?--he no longer wished to be revered as 'dear leader'.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
LOL, I dunno. I can't see him without thinking of his portrayal on Kid Notorious or South Park.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
the chinese already have enuff of a have vs havenot juggling act goin on. judging from the the number of chinese containers fulla junk that get offloaded here daily, you'd think a billion of em were cranking out 99c store tools and tubesox n shit 24/7. from what i gather, however, there are way more wannabe workers than there are industrial jobs.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
that article is 7 years old. dunno if you've seen any of the the fairly recent series of documentaries (the dragon awakes or somethin like that...with like 8 or 9 hourlong parts) that focus on china after 2001.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
"rom what i gather, however, there are way more wannabe workers than there are industrial jobs."


Wasn't my point. The Chinese have ways of dealing with the unwanted that we wouldn't consider. They purged like, 60 million people in the 50's and 60's? I doubt they'd shed a tear over a fraction of that number of North Koreans.