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THE POPE WITH A NAZI PAST

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THE POPE WITH A NAZI PAST

WILL THE USA ENFORCE ITS OWN LAW AGAINST THE POPE

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Cardinal Josef Ratzinger has been selected the Pope of the Roman Catholic denomination by his fellow cardinals. Being an arch conservative, he is probably the best man to succeed the late pope, John Paul II. The great American historian, David Goldhagen in his book the Moral Reckoning refers to this particular pope in one of his chapters. Even the meticulous research by this Princeton trained historian did not lead to the discovery of the singgular fact that Ratzinger spent his entire youth as a card holding member ogf the Nazi youth wing. After his capture by the Americans in 1945 he resurfaced as a catholic priest. The point that David Goldhaen makes in the book cited above is that the higher establishment of the Catholic Church collaboreted with the Nazis during World War II. Not only that the banks and other financial establishments of the Roman Catholic church gained considerably by illegally acquiring the savings and other assets of the Jews who were being sent to the gas chambers by the Germans. In an earlier work, Goldhagen had shown that the guilt for the Holocaust rests with all Germans and not just with the SS and the members of the Nazi Party. Now that the truth of Pope Benedict XVI association with the Nazis has surfaced, it is time that the Roman Catholic Church is called to account for its criminal misdeeds right from the time of the Inquisition till the Holocaust. Violence, Greed and Crime have marched hand in hand with the padres of the Roman faith.

This brings me to another point. Soon after the defeat of Germany the US congress passed a Law banning the entry of Nazis into the territory of the USA. USA has surrendered nazis to Israeel even after they had acquired US citizenship, on the ground that a Nazi past made then ineligible to step foot on the soil of the USA. I am not veru sure whether this is the best way to de toxify a Nazi past, but the Law stands on the statute book. Will the Secretary of State dr Condoleeza Rice invoke this law to deny entry to Cardinal Ratninger in his new avatatra as a Catholic Pope. Afterall, Mark Tatcher was denied entry for a far lesser crime.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
One thing that merits strong mention is the usual ignored fact that contrary to common belief, the US did in fact allow card-carrying nazis safe entry into the US. It needs to be said that the Nazi's were all brilliant scientists, most notable Wernher von Braun and his German rocket colleagues. But anyways the Vatican and the Nazi party had ties that go beyond God's human representative's interpretations. The Vatican had a pipeline for the Nazi's to reach safe haven. And it was done in very clever ways. There is no need to explain how Nazi Germany gave the Vatican a billion reichmarks per annum under the religious tax. What did Hitler get in return? The world was in a depression but Germany sent a billion dollars a year (1930's value equal to billions today) to Rome. They must have gotten something. Possibly secret alliances within the Vatican as a back door exit, which of course became the Nazi pipeline they had created. Possible condonement of Germany's invasion of Godless Russia, where the Church was persecuted. The Vatican was strangely silent concerning Hitler's manoevers in Europe. Yes this Pope was a Hitler Youth. It's not clear how deep his feelings went in supporting Hitler, but he also served with an anti-aircraft detatchment, and if so, it's likely he fired on Allied airships. But that's not bad in itself. There's nothing wrong with serving your country when asked even if it was Hitler who did the asking. But it will come out soon enough as to what the Pope did in his past. One thing I think is a bad sign is how he was saying he was praying not to become Pope. It's clear he was the leading contender going into the Conclave and he would have had ample time to let the others he had no desire to be the next Pope. Surely if he was praying not to be Pope, he would have made that sentiment clear (based on his being in the forefront of the likely candidates. Basically, I think the Pope lied when he said that. And it's what? Like day 5 or something?
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
David Gildhagen has written two outstanding books and the American Historical Association rated these to be path breaking works


I believe you mean Daniel Goldhagen. Goldhagen's book Hitler's Willing Executioners is a book with numerous flaws, exaggerations, and erroneous assertions. His thesis is that rabid, virulent, murderous anti-semitism is an inherent (thus presumably permanent) feature of German identity. But throughout his book, he doesn't support his allegation over the German people, only specific targets. That Jews were systematically murdered is not in question. It happened. It also matters not whether it was 1 million, 6 million, or 60 million. However, Goldhagen makes a serious charge and ultimately fails to back it up.

Greman gult is collective and ask any Israeli settled any where in the world and you will find out truthfully that Gremany did notg implement the Holocaust as a program of the SS and the Nazi Patrty alone. Germnas both ordinary and elite were willing accomplices in the Genocide and by whitewashing such atrocities and making a moral equivalence between the dumb stupid brutality of Saddam and the Americans you are distorting the Truth of the Genocide in Europe, a unique event in recent history.


I may have read the book over 6 years ago, but that sounds like it almost came directly from Goldhagen's book. There are certain quotes that stand out in my mind, and the whitewashing one is tripping my sensors. There's plenty of critiques available if you care to look for them.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
from Goldhagen's book. There are certain quotes that stand out in my mind, and the whitewashing one is tripping my sensors. There's plenty of critiques


O all the post for my piece I likedyour piece because it comes from an informed perspective. I respect your right to read the Goldhagen books differently, but I feel that the research that he has done is stupendous. I do understand that issues of Identity are involved and people feel threatened by his empasis on the Guilt part. In fact the AHA meeting I attended several years back there was a panel discussion on the Willing Excecutioners and one statistically inclined critic just counted the number of individuals mentionmed by Goldhagen and concluded that it represents onli .005 percent of the population. The point is not a statisstical but moral.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bahu, thank you for the compliment. I disagree with your opinions, but A.) I can understand where you're coming from and B.) I can respect your opinions.

Man, I can't believe I said that
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
I've asked the same question 3 times, have been ignored 3 times.


See post 17 I have quoted and answered.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Greman gult is collective "


By all means, then the Palestinians should be cut loose and lose their right to any land because they are surely ALL tangibly responsible for the anti-Semitic attacks on Israel. They march in support of the groups that undertake them, they chant "Death to America, Death to Isreal" in the streets. They must all hate Jews, right? Well, Israel had best just nip that situation in the bud and ship them all to the Hague, I guess.

By Bahu's Decree, no Palestinian may ever have basic relations with the United States. If what you say is true, then we should have just bombed Iraq to oblivion and ignored any sort of rebuilding, because everyone there was responsible for what was done by Hussein. We should immediately apply the "do not fly" list to any native Iraqi or Afghani.

If the German guilt is collective, then Arab guilt is even more foul since they don't live under threats if they don't adopt anti-Semitic attitudes. They just hate naturally, I suppose. Pakistani guilt is collective, to and Indian guilt is collective, and every Chinese person alive in the 50's and 60's are responsible for the millions purged.

This suits your argument here, but you are a hypocrite in that you WON'T apply your draconian standard of guilt to those hating and killing Jews and other ethnic groups TODAY. Hypocrite.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hypocrite.


Baker...don't you think IDIOT is a more appropriate term in this case?
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Baker...don't you think IDIOT is a more appropriate term in this case?


No, because Bahu, though I rarely agree with him, is usually very intelligent. In this case his intelligence has just been overwhelmed by his paranoid bigotry.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
This suits your argument here, but you are a hypocrite in that you WON'T apply your draconian standard of guilt to those hating and killing Jews and other ethnic groups TODAY. Hypocrite.Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful


Since I personally believe in Israel's right to statehood and I also happen to maintain that Israel has a spiritual destiny to fulfill I will not stand for any anisemitism. I think you are making a big mistake when you equate the political broblems in West Asia, particularly those between the State of Israel and the Arab States with anti semitism..Remember the Arabs are also a semitic race, and Arab hating is as much antisemitism as Jew baiting. Having said this I must revet back to the original idea behind my write up:the guilt of the Grermans as a fundamentally antisemetic people who were responsuible for the Holocaust. Do not mistake me to be an apologist for Isalmic Terrorism when I say that the violence in the Middle East is two way and blaming just the Arabs wont do. Yes political and moral judgements are not a straight black and white affair. I do see shades of grey in much of this but HYPOCRITE I am Not.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
If you don't see anti-Semitism in popular Arab media and propaganda, if you don't see it brandished openly, then not only are you a hypocrite, you are blind.

Hitler had a "cause", too, a deranged, unjust one, granted, but I personally think much of the sublimated Arab cause in relation to Israel is just as deranged. You know as well as I do that there are untold numbers of Arabs that would start the ovens again if they had the chance, they say so openly.

The roots of much of what we have now in the middle east was steeped in WW2, and many noteworthy Arabs aligned themselves with Hitler. The Grand Mufti was a darling of Egypt, hailed by Arafat as a hero of the Palestinian people, and espoused the mass slaughter of Jews.

Another monster who came later, Edi Amin, praised Hitler, wanted to erect a statue in his honor, praised the holocaust, and lived on a pension in Saudi Arabia until the day he died, safe from prosecution.

I think you need to re-evaluate the situation. You have one the one hand a Pope who has never made an anti-Semitic statement, and who you have no proof ever raised a finger to harm a Jew. On the other hand you have nations full of people who would gladly slaughter them given the chance, and whose leaders not only sympathized with the Nazi cause, but can be traced back to direct alignments to it.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Outside of speculation and hatemongering, the only thing you have here is your supposed law. Now, you don't cite the law, you don't even quote the law.

I believe even if there is such a law, it wouldn't apply to this Pope, or people like him. Since you are making an accusation, perhaps you'd like to back it up.