THE POPE WITH A NAZI PAST

WILL THE USA ENFORCE ITS OWN LAW AGAINST THE POPE

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Cardinal Josef Ratzinger has been selected the Pope of the Roman Catholic denomination by his fellow cardinals. Being an arch conservative, he is probably the best man to succeed the late pope, John Paul II. The great American historian, David Goldhagen in his book the Moral Reckoning refers to this particular pope in one of his chapters. Even the meticulous research by this Princeton trained historian did not lead to the discovery of the singgular fact that Ratzinger spent his entire youth as a card holding member ogf the Nazi youth wing. After his capture by the Americans in 1945 he resurfaced as a catholic priest. The point that David Goldhaen makes in the book cited above is that the higher establishment of the Catholic Church collaboreted with the Nazis during World War II. Not only that the banks and other financial establishments of the Roman Catholic church gained considerably by illegally acquiring the savings and other assets of the Jews who were being sent to the gas chambers by the Germans. In an earlier work, Goldhagen had shown that the guilt for the Holocaust rests with all Germans and not just with the SS and the members of the Nazi Party. Now that the truth of Pope Benedict XVI association with the Nazis has surfaced, it is time that the Roman Catholic Church is called to account for its criminal misdeeds right from the time of the Inquisition till the Holocaust. Violence, Greed and Crime have marched hand in hand with the padres of the Roman faith.

This brings me to another point. Soon after the defeat of Germany the US congress passed a Law banning the entry of Nazis into the territory of the USA. USA has surrendered nazis to Israeel even after they had acquired US citizenship, on the ground that a Nazi past made then ineligible to step foot on the soil of the USA. I am not veru sure whether this is the best way to de toxify a Nazi past, but the Law stands on the statute book. Will the Secretary of State dr Condoleeza Rice invoke this law to deny entry to Cardinal Ratninger in his new avatatra as a Catholic Pope. Afterall, Mark Tatcher was denied entry for a far lesser crime.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
But one can be forgiven, right ?
His appointment as a Pope means a lot, right ?
I mean, when a highest institution of religion choose its leader, they must have considered it far and wide.
I don't know about the truth, but I think those cardinals have chosen the man to lead them not without considering his - I believe it is redeemed - NAZI past.
He maybe just a peon for NAZI back there.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
More nonsense from Bahu. Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory for high school children in Germany at that time, unless they wanted to risk "re-education".

So, by your estimation anyone who was high school student during Hitler's tenure or drafted into the military thereafter was a full-fledged, Jew-killing Nazi. On the contrary, the vast majority of people who rebuilt Germany and fought for decades to forge a new path for Germany were also Hitler Youth and served in the military during the war.

I love how your clumsily seqway to all the "Catholic collaboration" stuff to taint someone who had nothing to do with it. "Resurfaced" sounds so sinister when the facts of the new Pope's life are known, and he doesn't dispute any of them.

The US didn't rate every Hitler Youth or German soldier as a "Nazi", and the laws you describe were designed to prevent the travel of war criminals. Your interpretation of the law in question is idiotic. Thousands of people who served in the German military migrated to the US in the decades following the war.

More hate, Bahu, and this time a heaping helping of sublimated religious bigotry to boot.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
darn it baker beat me to the punch again.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Ratzinger spent his entire youth as a card holding member ogf the Nazi youth wing"

"The Catholic Church collaboreted with the Nazis during World War II. Not only that the banks and other financial establishments of the Roman Catholic church gained considerably by illegally acquiring the savings and other assets of the Jews who were being sent to the gas chambers by the Germans."

Pure bullshit, Bahu. Shame on you.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
This has got to be one of the most lie filled posts that I have read on JU. I'm sorry Bahu but I think you've sunk to a new low.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Anyway, I thought most people who frothed at the mouth about the IRaq war and posted Al-Jezeerah style propaganda were pretty soft on the Jew hating types. I dunno how many times I have heard people who ranted about Iraq eventually start talking about "zionist plots"...
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is a joke...right?
Reply #8 from PolMach Forums Top
Oh, no.

I was in the Boy Scouts when I was twelve.

That makes me a flag waving, Bible thumping, homophobe.

Well I can say, only one out of three. I'll let you decide which one it is.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ratzinger spent his entire youth as a card holding member ogf the Nazi youth wing.

He spent ONE MONTH as a member of hitler youth! That is NOT his ENTIRE youth! He was released from the MANDATORY membership due to his enrollment in a religious school. Documentation in a history book is NOT always fact. In this particular case it is pure BULLSHIT!
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
ALL GERMANS ARE NAZIS!
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
The facts are always a little strange when it comes to people holding the high profile position of Pope. I cannot understand whu there is such an outpouring of feverish sentiment when it comes to e right wing religious figure.In fact Ratzinger spent 3 years in the Hitler Youth not one month. You will sonn discover more embarassing truhs.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
You will sonn discover more embarassing truhs.


Actually, it is YOU that needs to do the discovering!
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top


More hate, Bahu, and this time a heaping helping of sublimated religious bigotry to boot.Bonus Rating: Trolling


pretty soft on the Jew hating types. I dunno how many times I have heard people who ranted about Iraq eventually start talking about "zionist plots"...


It is a truism to say that TRUTH always hurts and one must learn to face the Truth and believe me as the Good Book says Truth will set you Free. I am not a bigot, I am only telling the facts about Josef Ratzinger. I have nowhere cvalled him a war crimes subject and hence to say thzat I have posted "bullshit" as drmiller puts it is not fair. As the head of the RC Church, Pope Benedict XVI will have to face quite a few challenges. Here goes:Child Abuse is a deadly crime. Accpording to an article by Jamie Doward publisher in the Guardian as Cardinal Josef Ratzingwer the then Head of the Inquisition of the Faith was responsible for making sure that the lid on the Chi.ld Abuse Scandal is kept well and truly shut. In plain English we call this "Obstruction of Justice". I cannot help it if a mere fact makes one a bigot. This document is not filed in a Texas Court in a civil Law suit invoving children abused by Roman Catholic priests. I am only pointing out a fact. I have drawn no conclusion.

I have nnever spoken in my writings about the Zuionist Plot. I have drawn attention to the humen rights abuses taking place in Iraq and that is not the same as advocating a conspiracy theory. We have to face the facts of the past in a dispassionate manner. There is no point in getting hot under the collar and substitute abuse as miller doesd for argument. The point is whether under the present US laws this POpe can enter the US territory. When the former President of Austria Dr Kurt Waldhheim like Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Party and he was prosecuted.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Sunday, April 24, 2005More nonsense from Bahu. Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory for high school children in Germany at that time, unless they wanted to risk "re-education".


This statement isd just wrong. Membership was optional and by choice alone. I suggest you read HITLER'S WILLING EXCECUTIONERS and you will not ever again make such a statement. As your friend Shelock Homes used to say Ignorance, Watson, pure ignorance.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Sunday, April 24, 2005More nonsense from Bahu. Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory for high school children in Germany at that time, unless they wanted to risk "re-education".


This statement isd just wrong. Membership was optional and by choice alone. I suggest you read HITLER'S WILLING EXCECUTIONERS and you will not ever again make such a statement. As your friend Shelock Homes used to say Ignorance, Watson, pure ignorance.
Comparing the adult and politically powerful President of Austria with a civilian teenager forced to participate in Hitler Youth programs is more than a bit of a stretch, don't ya think, Bahu?



Kurt Waldheim was not older than Ratzinger when he was associated with the Nazis. Both were around 16 to 22 years of age. Teenages yes, but men who could presumebly distinguish between right and wrong.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
was in the Boy Scouts when I was twelve.That makes me a flag waving, Bible thumping, homophobe.


You cannot compare the Scouts with Hitler Youth though there in an element od male bonding in it. As for my choice I think you are not any of the three. Just misguided.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
has got to be one of the most lie filled posts that I have read on JU. I'm sorry Bahu but I think you've sunk to a new low.Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful


I cannot help it if you let your ignorance get the better of you. It has been a major area of historical research.David Gildhagen has written two outstanding books and the American Historical Association rated these to be path breaking works. Read and then enter the debate. 1 Hitler's Willing Excecutioners, New York Harper and Row 2000 2. Moral Reckoning New York 2003
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
YOU are behaving ignorantly, since YOU are the one lumping people together and showing hateful bias. Hateful reading material obviously can make you hateful if you read enough of it.

It is COMMON knowledge that the vast majority of Hitler Youth went on to become leaders in a new Germany and some LEGALLY migrated to the US. It's COMMON knowledge that not everyone that served in the Wehrmacht was a Jew-killing war criminal. You are wrong that membership in Hitler Youth wasn't pressed upon children. There's no law against such people coming to the US.

I have personally met one man that was a drafted member of the Wehrmacht living happily in America since the 50's. My German teacher in college talked about her brother who was FORCED to become a Hitler Youth member, and who their family fled to the Mediterranean and later America to prevent from being drafted. Do you really think if every Hitler Youth and soldier in the Wehrmacht was a war criminal that there would have been enough people left in Germany?
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
You seem to have a blind spot for fascists. You mourn the loss of your little Iraqi Hitler. You can see the supposed "innocence" of the Iraqi people in Saddam Hussein's evils, but evidently every German that was drafted was a little Goebbels. What about all those people who shoved others off buildings, cut off hands and heads, carried and fired the poison gas to murder Kurds?

Should every Iraqi soldier be barred from the US? Every child that was taught pro-Saddam lies? What about all the little programmed Maddressa robots that know how to say "Death to America, Death to Israel" before they can dress themselves? Looks a lot like Hilter-brand hate to me.

Do you have a problem with all the Arab leaders who were best buddies with the Grand Mufti and the rest of the Jew hating killers that fought for Hitler in WW2? Do you remember that Arafat called him a hero of the Palestinians? I think you are very hatefully biased, personally.

After a while people's biases add up in their writing and you just can't hide bigotry. You don't spend much time on the people who are RIGHT NOW beheading folks, RIGHT NOW blowing people to bits to get headlines, the people who RIGHT NOW hate and threaten Jews.

No, more often, you just mirror their propaganda and ignore what they do.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
ALL GERMANS ARE NAZIS!


Pure stupidity! Does this include those of germanic disent?
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
This statement isd just wrong. Membership was optional and by choice alone.


Actually NO it was NOT optional! I personally did not have to do this, but my family traces it's germanic roots back to the time of Kaiser Wilhelm! So I can state from fact that you do not know what your talking about on this subject.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

You are a day late and a dollar short.  It has already been fully discussed what Joseph Ratzinger did.

And you are just an asshole.

Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Should every Iraqi soldier be barred from the US? Every child that was taught pro-Saddam lies? What about all the little programmed Maddressa robots that know how to say "Death to America, Death to Israel" before they can dress themselves? Looks a lot like Hilter-brand hate to me.


I do not sdee any difference between what you say and what the Madrassa trained robots sayb because they both stem from ignorance and double standardas. Greman gult is collective and ask any Israeli settled any where in the world and you will find out truthfully that Gremany did notg implement the Holocaust as a program of the SS and the Nazi Patrty alone. Germnas both ordinary and elite were willing accomplices in the Genocide and by whitewashing such atrocities and making a moral equivalence between the dumb stupid brutality of Saddam and the Americans you are distorting the Truth of the Genocide in Europe, a unique event in recent history. Two wrongs o not make a right. The question is of Ratzinger whether he was a member of the Gitler Youth which went around burning synaogoges descecrating granes and the like. It is shameful that people like you should defend such atrocities by holding up the like of Ratzinger. He was a member of the Hitler Youth and tyhen became a soldier and was capyured by the Americans In Washington D C in the National Archieves there is a confidential Dossier on the POWS captured in 19944-45 and the Ratzinger atrrest is documented. His is not a case of war crimes, but of willing association with the Nazi Regime.