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Israel continues with its one sided war

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Israel continues with its one sided war

The Murder Continues

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Is Israel justified in their contiunal murder of Palestinians, and when you take away a countrie's and its peoples sovergnty, their ability to self defence, and they fight with what they have left are they rightfully considered as terrosists. Are these people fighting a civil war or are they attacking another country in an in just way. While I agree that their metods and targets are not right, are they any less wrong than the treatment metered out to them by Israel, whose only major difference is their military capability. Also who are the real agressiors in this war, lets look at the real facts, the Palestinian people, where forceably removed from their land and are still being forced to live in divided enclaves, with no mens of self defence, or ability to work or feed themselves, having a wall put through their homeland, and in a way that families and lands are being divided in a way that prohibits normal life. Then when they try to fight back they are labeled the aggressors, the enemy and terrorists, while Israel flies in without respect for civilian life and gun down suspected terrorists, and anyone in the way. One does have to ask who are the terrorists, is state terror, more right, or is it that Israel allowed to do as they like because they are one of the supposed good guys, mainly because a few other masters at HEGEMONY, support them, and when they are critised the voices are decried as being anti semitic.
I think that the truth is that Israel and its supporters are very much in the wrong and I beleive that support for Israel is very quickly declining.
I would also like to say that the distatse for tis form of state sponsored terror will eventually marginalise those who commit or support these forms of terror, as can already be seen in many countries, where governments now recoginise that their very survival, may depend on who the electorate views their behaviour.

The reality is the Palestinian people cannot fight a country which as a military power is one of the world heavyweights, even though this is disparet to their threat from others and their size, and so have very few tools to fight back, while the methodes are not to be supported or applauded, the question goes begging that , what does it take for a person to become so disenfranchised that they would be willing to give their life to fight an agressor.

What we should be learning from this is that we are creating a situation where the Palestinian people and Arabs in general will most likely spread outside of the confines of Israel and take their fight to those they view as supporters of this rogue state, one really have to question who are the real axis of evil.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Jeb - his pont is that clearly Christians under Israeli rule are more tolerated given that their numbers there are increasing.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, I understood that, my point was, why does it matter if the Israelis are more tolerant towards Christians if they're still not tolerant of, say Arabs?

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
There is an incredible media blitz to mislead about the goals and actions of the PLO and Islam in general.


Oh, and to further elucidate my point. I think it's incredibly dangerous to equate the goals of the PLO with the goals of Islam. Any person who's bothered to look at the actual tenents of Islam, and not just the brand preached by the mullahs, will know that they are not the same.

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Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
How do you know that Israel isn't tolerant of Arabs? There are plenty of Arabs living in Israel.  And beyond that, how well are jews treated in say, Syria?
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not arguing that point, oh and I think we can judge by their treatment of the palestinians how well they treat Arabs. And just because they treat people bad in Syria, doesn't make it right to treat "the other" badly in their country.

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Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
But you've proven no evidence to how Arab citizens of Israel are treated.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your right, I'm sorry, I thought the "plight" of the palestinians was evidence enough. Killing 12-year old children to get at a body guard seems a little excessive to me.

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Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Simple fact: a sovereign Palestine containing Arab people never existed in any time in history, therefore the Palestinians have no claim to the property, getting past that simple fact, I have no qualms or trepidations about choosing a side viscerally, I remember who our friends are in that region, and I remember our enemies, I will never forget the raucous Palestinian celebrations on Sept 11th, how they danced in the streets and handed out candy as my countrymen were leaping from a burning tower. If Israel bulldozed the Palestinians into the sea I would not cry for them Argentina.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Simple fact: a sovereign Palestine containing Arab people never existed in any time in history, therefore the Palestinians have no claim to the property,


While it's true a sovereign Palestine never existed, it has been Arab land for a very long time. In fact, it's been in Arab hands since shortly after the time of Muhammad. Further, the Palestinians lived on the land, worked the land, etc. The Israelis and the Palestinians must work out the dynamic in their own nation, but they both do have claims to the "property"
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Killing 12-year old children to get at a body guard seems a little excessive to me."

When I saw the body of a twelve-year old boy lying dead in the streets of Jenin, my heart went out to his family. But I ask you seriously what the alternative is? Israel has taken the tack of retaliating against those that send suicide bombers on raids. What else can they do? Let the leaders go unpunished? Where is the world outcry when a bomb goes off on a bus or in a school.

For years Israel showed restraint. The attacks not only continued but increased in intensity.

"If Israel bulldozed the Palestinians into the sea I would not cry for them" AR-15, that is your priveldge, but I would. Cry for them, I mean. I do not believe that the majority of Palestinians want more than to tend their own gardens. (I think that is Voltaire.) But at this time, those gardens cannot be in Israel.

Unemployment in the Palestinian communities is well over 90 percent. The only schools are run by or serve as training grounds for terrorists. That is not due to a lack of resources, billions of dollars are funneled in annually. But the money is used for terror. The Palestinian Authority of Yasser Arafat is a joke. There is no legitimate government with which to make peace.

I have responded elsewhere to the claims of historical right to the land. But that is moot to this discussion. Knowing that Israel has armed forces sufficient to attack the camps, yet shows restraint that would not be reciprocated if the positions were reversed, the simple fact is that if the attacks stop, the reprisals stop.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually if the United States refused to give more aid to Israel unless the attacks would stop. If the Arabs had their own sovereign land, the reprisals would stop. Look at Northern Ireland.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Israel does not need US aid to exist.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #31 By: Brad Wardell -  2/11/2004 11:48:33 AM

But you've proven no evidence to how Arab citizens of Israel are treated.

 
 
Reply #32 By: jeblackstar -  2/11/2004 11:51:58 AM

Your right, I'm sorry, I thought the "plight" of the palestinians was evidence enough. Killing 12-year old children to get at a body guard seems a little excessive to me.

You are comparing Palestinians who are non-citizens of Israel to Arab citizens of Israel. Big difference.

Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
That's true, I am, however, in this case I'm using the people who live in the country, many of whose families lived there since before the creation of the state of Israel and how they are treated. This is an interesting arguement we have since right-leaning people, such as yourself Brad, not indicating extremism on your part, tend to speak towards moderation in the case of Israel, while more left leaning people, such as myself, tend to speak out for Israel's rights. I guess this discussion proves that both sides take all kinds... (These smiley faces, still haven't gotten used to using them, back in my college days, which were after the invention of the internet, but before it really took off, we wrote our expressions in brackets ::like this:: )
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