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Mexico Attempting to Set Arizona Policies

This is what illegal aliens bring America

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The foreign Minister of Mexico says “ we will use ALL American court systems to overturn The state of Arizona’s Newly passed bill that will ask for proof of American citizenship before being allowed to vote.

Then goes on to say if the United States courts do not overturn this, we will ask the world court to.

Since when does the United States let other countries dictate American policy?

This must be spurred on by Hanoi johns “passing a global test” remark.

Mexico, which has the most illegal in America, wants to keep illegal voting in the hopes of upsetting American values.

Iraq understood that letting illegal vote was and is a BAD idea, which is why Iraq closed the borders during elections to keep a flood of illegals from voting.

I personally have NO problem with proving my citizenship before casting a vote, why should anyone else?? Maybe we should have the purple finger thing applied to keep Democrats from voting more than once too.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Gene NashPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005The state of Arizona’s Newly passed bill that will ask for proof of American citizenship before being allowed to vote.I voted against it. It's poorly written and covers a lot more than just the voting issues.That said, I'm seriously tired of the Mexican government. If only our government would grow a spine.


I must admit I do not know much about arizona politics, but what I said about illegals voting stands... no way, no how,
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top

I voted against it. It's poorly written and covers a lot more than just the voting issues.

As a citizen of Arizona, that is your right, and if the majority had agreed with you, it would not have passed.  That being said, it is not the right of any foreign government, or even the Feds to say you cannot do that.

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
There are a few slightly fuzzy areas in the law that opponents tried to use as straw men - saying that EMS personnel wouldn't be able to assist the sick or injured without getting proof of citizenship first being one (not true) - but most of us saw through the BS & voted for it.

The quick & dirty is: in order for our tax dollars to be spent on someone's needs, or for someone to vote, the recipient or voter must be a legal resident; if our money is accidentally spent on someone who is not a legal resident, they'll get a bill. Far as a I know, there's nothing in the law that requires deportation on discovery, unfortunately.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

The quick & dirty is: in order for our tax dollars to be spent on someone's needs, or for someone to vote, the recipient or voter must be a legal resident; if our money is accidentally spent on someone who is not a legal resident, they'll get a bill. Far as a I know, there's nothing in the law that requires deportation on discovery, unfortunately.

Guess that says it all.  And since most of the illegals cannot pay, the state will!  Fox, go get your pacifier!

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
That is one issue I don't understand. I guess because I am not American and I don't face the daily reality of having hundreds (or is it thousands?) of illegal immigrants crossing the border DAILY.

I was recently surprised when I read something about allowing illegal aliens to work legally in California.... Wait a minute... are they illegal or are they not illegal? It may be my simplistic non-American understanding of things but... if they illegal, why would they have any rights at all? Heck why are they still there? Why are they not sent back home with a kick in the butt?

Man, I don't understand this issue at all...
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
That is one issue I don't understand. I guess because I am not American and I don't face the daily reality of having hundreds (or is it thousands?) of illegal immigrants crossing the border DAILY.

I was recently surprised when I read something about allowing illegal aliens to work legally in California.... Wait a minute... are they illegal or are they not illegal? It may be my simplistic non-American understanding of things but... if they illegal, why would they have any rights at all? Heck why are they still there? Why are they not sent back home with a kick in the butt?

Man, I don't understand this issue at all...


Don't beat yourself over the head, Paxx. A lot of it is mind-boggling to people who deal with it first hand. Several thousand illegal aliens cross the border into the US daily (estimates I come across are between 3000 and 8000). All human beings deserve basic rights, even if they cross the border illegally. The issue of illegal immigration is politically hot in the United States, at least for the politicians. Most American citizens have a very basic and straightforward belief on this issue. Stop illegal immigration. But politicians in both parties don't see it that way. Pro-business folks prefer the cost saving features (to business owners, not the taxpayers) of cheap labor. Since illegal aliens are at risk of being deported, and are in such great supply, there is no incentive to raise wages. They are hired for low-skilled work and can be easily replaced. The pro-business wing of the Republican party cares little to stop illegal immigration. Some in the party also believe that by coddling illegal aliens they, the Republicans, can woo Hispanic voters away from the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party is overwhelmingly seen as "minority-friendly." Some Democrats see illegal immigration as a racial and minority issue. They know that if enough illegal aliens enter the US, and are eventually set on the path to citizenship, they are virtually guaranteed most of the votes in the future.

That's a very simplistic picture, but it serves a basic guide, an introduction, to the issue.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think Bush is one of the few people looking at this honestly and sensibly (the fact that he's pissed off the extremists on both sides also suggests this). The availability of labor from Mexico is a benefit, not just to businesses, but to people who purchase their products (i.e., taxpayers). A guest worker program of some sort would go a long way toward satisfying the objectives of the stakeholders on both sides of the issue and there is no question that we must get control of our border. The people of the states of Arizona, California, New Mexico & Texas can't be expected to shoulder the cost of the current fiasco indefinitely, and the indirect costs are far bigger than the direct cost of capture & deportation.

Cheers,
Daiwa