Mexico Attempting to Set Arizona Policies

This is what illegal aliens bring America

from JoeUser Forums
The foreign Minister of Mexico says “ we will use ALL American court systems to overturn The state of Arizona’s Newly passed bill that will ask for proof of American citizenship before being allowed to vote.

Then goes on to say if the United States courts do not overturn this, we will ask the world court to.

Since when does the United States let other countries dictate American policy?

This must be spurred on by Hanoi johns “passing a global test” remark.

Mexico, which has the most illegal in America, wants to keep illegal voting in the hopes of upsetting American values.

Iraq understood that letting illegal vote was and is a BAD idea, which is why Iraq closed the borders during elections to keep a flood of illegals from voting.

I personally have NO problem with proving my citizenship before casting a vote, why should anyone else?? Maybe we should have the purple finger thing applied to keep Democrats from voting more than once too.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Let them try.

I live in Arizona. The proof-of-citizenship requirement to vote has been upheld in the face of a court challenge and I'm confident it will survive further challenges, which are inevitable from the nitwit fringe, which apparently includes Mexico's Foreign Minister.

Fox and this guy need to be told in no uncertain terms to "butt out." The pamphlet published by the Mexican government giving illegal border-crossers tips on getting through and scamming us is a disgrace, but Fox has publicly endorsed the damn thing and thumbed his nose at us. Unfortunately, the usual reluctance of our state government officials to ruffle any of our neighbor's feathers south of the border (not to mention the local Hispanic community which has a completely irrational take on this) has kept them rather quiet, except for Congressman JD Hayworth, who went rather ballistic about it, as he should.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ok That's it. I say we invade Mexico. Who is with me?

And if we make it a state they can enjoy the right to vote. I think it's a nice trade Soveirgnity for the Right to Be American.

Siege of Centauri
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DPSPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Ok That's it. I say we invade Mexico. Who is with me?And if we make it a state they can enjoy the right to vote. I think it's a nice trade Soveirgnity for the Right to Be American.


I concure, there a frelling "state" anyways, with all the american money being sent there by Illegal aliens.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Let them try.


try they will, already the mexican gov. has asked German courts to think about getting involved. I say nukem, nukem all bwa ha ha ha ha ha eh eh eh eh cackle cackle.. {evil scientist laughter}
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #2 By: DPS - 2/1/2005 12:07:26 PM
Ok That's it. I say we invade Mexico. Who is with me?

And if we make it a state they can enjoy the right to vote. I think it's a nice trade Soveirgnity for the Right to Be American.


We don't need no stinking badges! Lets ROCK!
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #4 By: Moderateman - 2/1/2005 12:11:40 PM
Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Let them try.


try they will, already the mexican gov. has asked German courts to think about getting involved. I say nukem, nukem all bwa ha ha ha ha ha eh eh eh eh cackle cackle.. {evil scientist laughter}


So they think if "Germany" opens their mouth that the US is gonna cave in?
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

This must be spurred on by Hanoi johns “passing a global test” remark.

I think you nailed the problem on the head right there.

But drop the 'illegals'.  The simple fact is that no ALien, Legal or Illegal can vote in any election.  They must be a citizen of this country, and that takes a minimum of 5 years from legal entry.  Mexico is just blowing smoke up the tail pipe on this one.

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think there are some potential concerns with AZ's law, but I fully support the intent of the law. My concerns revolve around the difficulty some folks may have of obtaining a birth certificate (one of the documents required). I think, however, that responsible groups working for voter registrations could spend some of their money to help with the process.
Reply #9 from PolMach Forums Top
Mexico is now going with the classic little kid routine.

"That's, that's not fair. You have to let me play with you (crying). You're mean I'm telling the UN! (Runs off)"

Newsflash: They are ILLEGAL aliens. They should have no rights of legal US citizens such as voting.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
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Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

I think there are some potential concerns with AZ's law, but I fully support the intent of the law. My concerns revolve around the difficulty some folks may have of obtaining a birth certificate (one of the documents required). I think, however, that responsible groups working for voter registrations could spend some of their money to help with the process.

I would even go one step further and allow the state of Arizona to pay for a coy if necessary.  It only costs $10 here, so how many would need one?  Even if everyone did, it would be a cheap price to pay.

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Dr. Guy,


Yes, many states have a 30 day residency requirement for new voters. It would be money well spent to consider the registration as "filing an application", and to use the 30 day wait for verification (if you couldn't provide birth certificate, for instance, provide county of birth, parents' names, etc). It would also help if,in this electronic age, paperless transfer of birth records between secure government computers could be streamlined. No paper, much less cost (if the person wanted the copy for their own records, this would also make the process simpler, as they could apply at their county of residence vs.their county of birth).

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Interference in a states issues by a foriegn power is wrong. As a native Arizonian i think its high time they did something.

I think the law is a damn fine idea.

If you don't have the legal right to be somewhere, why should you have the right to participate in the election process?
Up the road a bit in Utah, illegals can legally obtain drivers licenses, which is the first step in a backdoor path to citizenship.

This AZ vote thing is a similar ploy i think.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005I think there are some potential concerns with AZ's law, but I fully support the intent of the law. My concerns revolve around the difficulty some folks may have of obtaining a birth certificate (one of the documents required). I think, however, that responsible groups working for voter registrations could spend some of their money to help with the pr


there are other forms that can substitute for a birth cert.. passport and few more.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Interference in a states issues by a foriegn power is wrong. As a native Arizonian i think its high time they did something.I think the law is a damn fine idea.If you don't have the legal right to be somewhere, why should you have the right to participate in the election process?Up the road a bit in Utah, illegals can legally obtain drivers licenses, which is the first step in a backdoor path to citizenship. This AZ vote thing is a similar ploy i think.


similar??? how so?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: drmilerPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Reply #4 By: Moderateman - 2/1/2005 12:11:40 PMReply By: DaiwaPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Let them try.try they will, already the mexican gov. has asked German courts to think about getting involved. I say nukem, nukem all bwa ha ha ha ha ha eh eh eh eh cackle cackle.. {evil scientist laughter}So they think if "Germany" opens their mouth that the US is gonna cave in?


I do not think the united states will cave,,,, not as long Bush is President..
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005I think there are some potential concerns with AZ's law, but I fully support the intent of the law. My concerns revolve around the difficulty some folks may have of obtaining a birth certificate (one of the documents required). I think, however, that responsible groups working for voter registrations could spend some of their money to help with the process


do not care HOw they become legal... just do it..
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Fair and BalancedPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Mexico is now going with the classic little kid routine."That's, that's not fair. You have to let me play with you (crying). You're mean I'm telling the UN! (Runs off)"Newsflash: They are ILLEGAL aliens. They should have no rights of legal US citizens such as voting


yep this is true but already citizen rights are being eroded, by allowing terrorist protection under the AMERICAN constitution.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

Moderate,


I have at a few times been in such a case where being forced to provide a birth certificate or a passport would have not been practical in time for the election. In both 1988 and 1992,had I been forced to provide either, lack of funds would have made it impossible (yes, there ARE folks who don't have $5-10 to spring for a birth certificate). In 1996,while I had a birth certificate at that time, if I didn't have it, I would have had to mail paymeny back to my home county and wait 4-6 weeks for it to arrive. While I lived in a state that didn't have a 30 day waiting period, had I been in one that did,it would have taken 8-10 weeks to become "legal" to vote...a long time for someone who's living basically hand to mouth to be preplanning.


My feeling is that it would not be unthinkable to combine the two: allow an individual to register, but not be certified, until the birth certificate arrives. Then assist them in getting their birth certificate (I do think a paperless transfer would be more efficient and far less costly).


But,in stating this,I will reiterate that I wholly support AZ's move. As a miner,I worked among illegals who controlled the union and endangered ALL of our lives because they deliberately kept the wages low enough to be unattractive to gringoes ($9 an hour, NO raises...unless EVERYONE'S wage went up! No matter how long you were there!)

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well mod to answer your question...

If you are registered to vote it's easier to claim residency. Same thing with a drivers license. It is a loophole in federal law that needs to be shut.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Well mod to answer your question...If you are registered to vote it's easier to claim residency. Same thing with a drivers license. It is a loophole in federal law that needs to be shut.


I see.... something needs to be done about that..
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005Moderate,I have at a few times been in such a case where being forced to provide a birth certificate or a passport would have not been practical in time for the election. In both 1988 and 1992,had I been forced to provide either, lack of funds would have made it impossible (yes, there ARE folks who don't have $5-10 to spring for a birth certificate). In 1996,while I had a birth certificate at that time, if I didn't have it, I would have had to mail paymeny back to my home county and wait 4-6 weeks for it to arrive. While I lived in a state that didn't have a 30 day waiting period, had I been in one that did,it would have taken 8-10 weeks to become "legal" to vote...a long time for someone who's living basically hand to mouth to be preplanning.


I been there gid, {so broke a 5 was a ton of money} There just has to be some way of doing this a little cheaper or if someone can proove "need" done for free.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

I been there gid, {so broke a 5 was a ton of money} There just has to be some way of doing this a little cheaper or if someone can proove "need" done for free.

Anyone not born with a silver spoon on their mouth has been there.  Fortunately for me, that was 15 years ago the last time.  But it was scary.

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, February 01, 2005I been there gid, {so broke a 5 was a ton of money} There just has to be some way of doing this a little cheaper or if someone can proove "need" done for free.Anyone not born with a silver spoon on their mouth has been there. Fortunately for me, that was 15 years ago the last time. But it was scary.


I was homeless in 1986 after destroying my bizness and my marrige and my body.. Came a long way since then.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
The state of Arizona’s Newly passed bill that will ask for proof of American citizenship before being allowed to vote.


I voted against it. It's poorly written and covers a lot more than just the voting issues.

That said, I'm seriously tired of the Mexican government. If only our government would grow a spine.