The two types of Republicans

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Hell.. Maybe I am under analyzing the party’s demographics, but based on the people I know (and I will admit that this causes a large bias because most of the people I know qualify for inclusion in group 2), I have determined that there are two types of republicans:

The first type is the one who finds solace in the non-economic properties of the republican platform. In other words, they are not in the top income earning bracket, and therefore are not the primary concern of the Republican Party’s tax breaks. These people like the ideas of discrimination and other acts of bigotry (anti-gay for example). These people could also be southerner (again, harkens back to the days of racism, so this would qualify them as bigoted again). There are those who are violent or dislike other ethnicities (the people who say bomb Iraq or the Middle East for example have no compassion for life or do not care for middle easterners, because you wouldn't hear them say bomb the hell out of England or Canada). These are the people that I can absolutely not understand. While I try, their lack of compassion astounds me and I find it very difficult to have a reasonable discussing with such people.

The next group is filled with people in the top income earning brackets. They benefit from the republican tax cuts, and choose to allow money to buy their vote. They often care about the other issues, but money plays a more important role in their decision. While I do not agree with these people, I do not find them as irrational as the people in group 1. These people have a legitimate, and reasonable, albeit greedy, reason for voting republican. The problem found here is that the people in group two often just support what ever republican candidates are backing. They may not personally believe it in their hearts, but they spew forth the propaganda from the GOP.

Now, as you climb the economic ladder, there comes a point very high up on the ladder (around billionaire status), where a) you have enough money as it is or b) you are getting tax cuts anyways, and therefore you vote as you feel. Examples of such people include Soros, Gates, Ted Turner, etc.

Well... that just about does it... now tomorrow maybe the two or more types of dems.
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Reply #1 from PolMach Forums Top
you wouldn't hear them say bomb the hell out of England or Canada


Well, moderateman came close a few times...

Interesting article, though a few Republicans would disagree, but it does show how the left/right system is a bit inadequate. For example, some people could fall into group one but not group 2, or vice-versa. For example, you can be a KKK socialist, or a pro-gay marriage capitalist. Or you can even mix and match within categories. You can be pro-gay marriage, pro-life, anti-war and anti-affirmative action.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

All you have done is shown how much like that first group of people you, yourself, are. You just pick things other than race to be hateful and bigoted about...

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sandy, I think you'd be hammered for this post, but allow me to commend you for posting it. Essentially, what I think you're saying is that the GOP is driven by bigotry, greed, violence, and jingoism, and a moral fiber driven by greed, bigotry and violence and jingoism. Hmmmmm......................

As hard as I try, I can never, ever fathom why people make such choices, or why they cannot see past these characteristics. Mostly, and especially for those without substantial incomes, I'd venture that their decisions are also predicated on ignorance, low intellect, and lack of adequate education to grasp concepts. Those with money, and likely of a more educated ilk, seem to be driven mostly by the tax breaks, ie greed, that they think they are benefitting from, even if such tax breaks result in loss of government services on a local level and increased local taxes. Into the front pocket, and out the back pocket.

Let the games begin.......................
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

A new level of asinine, congrats. How you can possibly post this here I have no idea. I just have to assume I am either a bigot or wealthy, and not being wealthy, I guess I am a bigot. If you think that the Republicans that frequent here are one or the other, then, frankly, you are deranged.

Actually, as I have already proved, the bigots are democrats, not republicans.  But the rest of your response is so true.  This is just assinine

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #3 By: dabe - 1/24/2005 6:21:53 PM
As hard as I try, I can never, ever fathom why people make such choices, or why they cannot see past these characteristics. Mostly, and especially for those without substantial incomes, I'd venture that their decisions are also predicated on ignorance, low intellect, and lack of adequate education to grasp concepts. Those with money, and likely of a more educated ilk, seem to be driven mostly by the tax breaks, ie greed, that they think they are benefitting from, even if such tax breaks result in loss of government services on a local level and increased local taxes. Into the front pocket, and out the back pocket.


Don't look in a mirror. You might frighten yourself to death. hmmmmmmm and that would be ??????
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

As hard as I try, I can never, ever fathom why people make such choices, or why they cannot see past these characteristics. Mostly, and especially for those without substantial incomes, I'd venture that their decisions are also predicated on ignorance, low intellect, and lack of adequate education to grasp concepts. Those with money, and likely of a more educated ilk, seem to be driven mostly by the tax breaks, ie greed, that they think they are benefitting from, even if such tax breaks result in loss of government services on a local level and increased local taxes. Into the front pocket, and out the back pocket.


And that is why you will always be a minority party.  With arrogance like that, we dont need to campaign, just regurgitate your vitriol and ignorance.  Your contempt for the majority of Americans is dispicable.

Reply #7 from PolMach Forums Top
Great article Sandy! Thanks for coming out and saying what most Dems. think!(and is probably true)
Reply #8 from PolMach Forums Top
As to those others who believe you don't belong to either of these groups, look more closely, I'm sure there's something in the article that puts you in a group.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: latour999Posted: Monday, January 24, 2005you wouldn't hear them say bomb the hell out of England or CanadaWell, moderateman came close a few times... [/silly man,, I just do not know what to make of you.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
how about those of us that voted for President Bush well before any mention of tax cuts? where do we fall?
Reply #11 from PolMach Forums Top
Hell.. Maybe I am under analyzing the party’s demographics, but based on the people I know (and I will admit that this causes a large bias because most of the people I know qualify for inclusion in group 2), I have determined that there are two types of republicans


You are. There are two types of Republicans, tho', but they can dance across the line muitiple times: the moralists, who seem to espouse the Republican view according to fundamentalist Christianity and the Bible, and the fiscalists, who range from voting for the right because of less tax breaks or the true spirit of lassez-faire ('hands off') government that the Republicans allegedly exspouse (and do to a certain extent, money-wise). You do cover both in your article, but you tend to cite extremes, which understandably, turns people off. However, if you want a study of extremes, just witness people at work. Insightful, tho', and I've been tempted to publish a similar article more than once.

it does show how the left/right system is a bit inadequate. For example, some people could fall into group one but not group 2, or vice-versa. For example, you can be a KKK socialist, or a pro-gay marriage capitalist. Or you can even mix and match within categories. You can be pro-gay marriage, pro-life, anti-war and anti-affirmative action.


Which is why they cross the line. *Grins* latour, I like you. I think when it comes to observing politics, you 'get it'. Single issues confound putting everyone into a box.

Actually, as I have already proved, the bigots are democrats, not republicans. But the rest of your response is so true. This is just assinine



And is why you will always be a minority party. With arrogance like that, we dont need to campaign, just regurgitate your vitriol and ignorance. Your contempt for the majority of Americans is dispicable.


Talking out of both sides of our mouth, Dr. Guy? You 'prove' that democrats are bigots, and then nail us for how arrogant we are. *eye roll* There's a saying about glass houses and stones, but I won't repeat it.

Baker Street, your point is taken, she does cite the extreme examples, and has been probably, with these opening comments, taken to task for it.

Essentially, what I think you're saying is that the GOP is driven by bigotry, greed, violence, and jingoism, and a moral fiber driven by greed, bigotry and violence and jingoism. Hmmmmm......................

As hard as I try, I can never, ever fathom why people make such choices, or why they cannot see past these characteristics.


Oversimplification, dabe. There are a lot of Republicans that are moral, and believe in morality, and are generally good people, but they believe seriously in the Bible and vote with the party that seems to espouse their views. Then you have people who vote their pocket book or seriously believe that the 'government who governs least governs best', as someone here once put it. Then, like with any party, you have your nutcases, which include extreme war hawks.

Don't look in a mirror. You might frighten yourself to death. hmmmmmmm and that would be ??????


dr. miller-Huh? Saying 'yo momma' would of made more sense here. I don't get it, you confused me with this comeback.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
One mustn't overlook the most obvious source for such a philosophy, i.e. "My points were flagging a little bit, so I thought I'd piss people off and troll-bait..."

This is straight from Little_Whip's guide to points whoring with a little self-destructiveness mixed in.

Reply #13 from PolMach Forums Top


how about those of us that voted for President Busdh well before any mention of tax cuts? where do we fall?


That would depend. Which part of the party's platform do you find the most appealing: the economic programs the Republicans espouse, or the Christian morality. In other words, do you like the less government part of the platform, or are you a devout Christian type? You could be even be both, but usually most people are one or another.

Reply By: latour999Posted: Monday, January 24, 2005you wouldn't hear them say bomb the hell out of England or CanadaWell, moderateman came close a few times... [/silly man,, I just do not know what to make of you.

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..I think they're referring to your fondness for your sweet Ann Coulter.
Reply #14 from PolMach Forums Top
Talking out of both sides of our mouth, Dr. Guy? You 'prove' that democrats are bigots, and then nail us for how arrogant we are. *eye roll* There's a saying about glass houses and stones, but I won't repeat it.


Eye roll all you want. I was just stating facts, not hate and ignorance. Ignore my warning at your own risk, not mine.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: SolnacPosted: Monday, January 24, 2005how about those of us that voted for President Busdh well before any mention of tax cuts? where do we fall?That would depend. Which part of the party's platform do you find the most appealing: the economic programs the Republicans espouse, or the Christian morality. In other words, do you like the less government part of the platform, or are you a devout Christian type? You could be even be both, but usually most people are one or another.


well I am a jew so there goes the devout christian point. altho my wife and I are comfortable,, even well off you might say, what made us both switch from long time democrats is WHAT AND WHO the left has to offer these days.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
..I think they're referring to your fondness for your sweet Ann Coulter.


yummy I do love an intelligent woman.. and no matter how she raves, she is smart and not bad on the eyes either.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Monday, January 24, 2005One mustn't overlook the most obvious source for such a philosophy, i.e. "My points were flagging a little bit, so I thought I'd piss people off and troll-bait..." This is straight from Little_Whip's guide to points whoring with a little self-destructiveness mixed in.


I miss whip and do not care who knows or how they feel about her or me for that matter. and its manho ifin its a male. tee hee hee not to be confused with a manhole.. lol
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
btw without this causeing a great battle or uproar... is there any difference between my sweet ann and dabe.. they both rant and rave, altho I never heard ann wish someone "rot in hell"
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
The worst Republican is better than any Democrat. I fall into the Republican group called "People with a Brain". I am also not wealthy ,but sure enjoyed the $600 bucks my husband and I got back a couple years ago. I also beleive Republicans are Republicans because they do not wish to follow a pary that emulates a President (Clinton) who teaches our kids it's okay to committ adultry on Easter Sunday in Church, plays at war (Blackhawk Down) and has people dying all around them.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
plays at war (Blackhawk Down) and has people dying all around them.


I beg you to look at the war in Iraq if you want a president that plays with wars and has people dying all around them.

So its better to teach our children that certain people are better than others (IE gays are bad)..

Moderateman.. you can't be classified because you voted for Clinton. This classification is only for staunch republican supporters.. who almost always support their platform not just their candidates. Most people would probably qualify as a "swing voter", hence the fact that we don't always have a tie, but for those that don't, in simplified terms I believe you fall into one of my categories.. though there are exceptions and I will respond to more comments tomorrow when I have time.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Moderateman.. you can't be classified because you voted for Clinton.


thank you, btw I always vote my heart not the party.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
If this article was a joke, then it's great!
However, it seems that some people are actually taking this article seriously. Do people really have their heads that far up their own asses?
Reply #23 from PolMach Forums Top
The worst Republican is better than any Democrat.


You go ahead and think that.

I also beleive Republicans are Republicans because they do not wish to follow a pary that emulates a President (Clinton) who teaches our kids it's okay to committ adultry on Easter Sunday in Church,


I think that Democrats are Democrats because they do not wish to participate in a party that teaches our kids it's okay to to degrade people on every little wrong doing they have ever made and then degrade them for what they have done well. Or to make things a little more simple, the party of "Watergate" or "IranContra".
You got $600 dollars back? I'm glad, maybe that happened because my parents paid an extra sum and got much less back, or maybe you were refering to a rebate you got on a computer or something.

Might all be a little off topic but I felt personally offended by these rash comments and well needed to point out that Reps. aren't perfect either.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm just happy that we've made it through this much of the thread with no one saying 'knee-jerk'.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
My comments are not rash. They are fact. And since you want to throw names around, does Whitewater ring any bells? Those were the people dying. And as for the $600 dollars,that was extra tax money refunded in July and August a couple years ago to nearly everyone in the USA. $300 a person. Your comments are the ones that are offensive. I was speaking about things that are real. You speak of me in total ignorance. I know where my money comes from and how I got it. I do not need your parents to get my money. I work hard for my own. I survey Land in my Husbands company. I run the Intrument. I am one of the few females that do. I believe you are a very confused and angry person. And Clinton's mistakes were not little. Demoralizing America is not little. Republicans are not perfect either. I never said they were. There is alot of room for improvement in both parties. I was just expressing my opinions on why I think Republicans are Republicans,because there are many kinds. I did not attack anyone in this forum personally. So next time you respond try not to use personally insulting remarks like" I must have got a computer refund." I am far from stupid. Why don't you check out what it takes to become an Instrument person and especilly a Professional Land Surveyor, and then talk to me like that.