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Bleeding hearts decry torture

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While watching the news I am once again shocked to see how out of touch the left is with REALITY.

They demand we play fair with a group of people bent on the total destruction of America.

This is total bull dookey!!!!

Keeping a room hot is not torture..... remember these nut jobs live and fight in the freaking DESERT.

Keeping a room cold is not torture,.. these same nutjobs live in caves.. to hide so they can keep killing innocent people..

Playing music loud while very annoying {90 decibels} is not torture {unless its babs striesand singing}

Making a person stand in an uncomfortable position is NOT torture.

Putting a hood over someones head is scarey but is not torture.

We do worse to our own american peoples. the prisons of america...

I once again find myself asking what is it with the left that they cry for our enemies so loud.... for making them uncomfortable.

They {the enemy} has no compunction letting american wounds rot while holding them prisoners, beheading people publically. even tho these people are NOT combatants.

Killing a female aid worker, that so shocked the arab world that even aljazera a terroist news org would not show the tape of her killing.

NOw let me defang some of the leftwing bleeding hearts here before I catch some kinda disease from there bleeding all over my monitor.

I do not condone hooking someone genitals to a battery... Cutting there ears off..ramming sharp objects up there fingernails.. or any form of what really qualifies as torture.. Unlike what the germans and japaneese did to us military people in ww2 and the vietnameese did in viet nam war.

We are in a fight with a people that DO NOT GIVE A FLYING frell about playing by any rules .. why does the left insist we do??
please dont bleed all over by taking some kinda american supiority stance.....The we must show the world how good we are crap....

This is A WAR for survival... get it right and get it now before its too late...
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Uh miler? I never questioned what he has seen in this thread. I also am well aware that Mod's service was during vietnam. Get a clue.

I lived on base in San Diego when i was a kid, and i saw some of the POW's come home in 1973. i was five. Those guys looked like they had suffered things that i cannot imagine. Like the life had been sucked out of them, and their hollow eyes. I will never ever forget the looks on their faces.

THAT my friends is why i do NOT believe in torture.

Can YOU say that miler? Thought not. The condescending tone kinda drowned out what my message was i guess.
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: drmilerPosted: Saturday, January 08, 2005Reply #17 By: Moderateman - 1/7/2005 12:36:01 PMReply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Friday, January 07, 2005Mod is right and everybody else is wrong. And what war did YOU fight in Mod...I'm curious? I grew up on military bases (Dad was a Line Officer 1st MEF) Gramps fought in the Pacific in WW2 I have seen what war can do. I have also seen what torture can do. Face it man, you are so out of touch here.um proudly served usmc 1965 thru 1966 father usmc ww2 in west pac....... my son desert storm also usmc...Just an FYI for *thatoneguyinslc. That would be the Vietnam war that moderateman is refering to. The one that had more torture and abuse than any other. Unless you were actually in the war (father & grandfather don't count) then you really can't question what he has or has not seen or experienced.


ugly shit my friend is what I remember and have endevored to forget till this election cycle kicked up so many crappy memories {john kerry and vvaw} He {hanoijohn} is WHY i switched parties this year, If he was the best the dems had to offer I would have voted for ho chi mihn first.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
Miler....Pretty weak arguement, and untrue at that. I never questioned what Mod has or has not seen or experienced in combat. And i also am aware he served during Vietnam. Get a clue ok?

I have however, seen torture victims before. When i was a kid i lived on base in San Diego. It was 1973 i believe and i would have been five years old then. Some of the returning POW's arrived at the Naval hospital, and my father took us to the welcome home ceremony. I will never forget the looks in those soldiers eyes. I cannot even imagine what they went through.

THAT my friends, is why i am against torture.

I have seen the aftermath of what it can do to OUR troops. If any of you think that for one minute that it won't happen again if we do not stop the physical torture, You're extremely naive to how our enemies operate.

And BTW miler, i am an active supporter of POW/MIA. I have been since i was 18. I wear the patch on my motorcycle leather, and this year, there's a good chance i will ride to DC for Rolling Thunder. That's how much respect and admiration i have for those who have suffered at the hands of the enemy.
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

i dont know why this is suddenly a left-right issue. 


rear adm. john hutson, who was recently the navy's judge advocate general, released a letter he sent monday to the judiciary committee noting that gonzales' recommendations "fostered greater animosity toward the United States, undermined our intelligence gathering efforts, and added to the risks facing our troops serving around the world."


senator lindsay graham (r-sc)--who has 20 years of experience as an air force judge-advocate general--told gonzales: "I think you weaken yourself as a nation when you try to play cute and become more like your enemy instead of like who you want to be."


in response to gonzales' claim that this was a different enemy, graham said: "But we're not like who we want to be and who we have been, and that's the point I'm trying to make. When you start looking at torture statutes and you look at ways around the spirit of the law, you're losing the moral high ground."

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
onna side note "history" look at what our military did in the philipines circa early pre ww1 ... we took muslim extremist and threatened to wrap em in pig skin if they did not talk... is that torture too??


Pershing DID bury Muslim insurgents with pigs, as an example to the others. Kinda made'em think twice. Different world, that was, but not necessarily worse.
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
you're losing the moral high ground
----kingbee

But that's just the point WE'RE trying to make.....taking the high road isn't always the most efficient, or safest, way to get things done. It might be always preferable, but not always the "best" in the practical sense.
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top

what im trying to point out is the fact that this isnt a left issue.   neither of those people are leftwingers.

Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top

taking the high road isn't always the most efficient, or safest, way to get things done. It might be always preferable, but not always the "best" in the practical sense


how many of the women who confessed to being witches in the inquisition or while being otherwise tortured were telling the truth? 

Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
how many of the women who confessed to being witches in the inquisition or while being otherwise tortured were telling the truth?
---kingbee

Were those women caught in the very act of assembling booby traps, driving car bombs or ambushing convoys of our troops or Iraqi police? No.
The Salem Witch Trials were the result of paranoia, misinformation and false accusations.
Bad example, kingbee. You can do much better.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
my point is that torture isnt that efficient or that practical in terms of obtaining reliable information--especially if the people youre torturing are fanatics.   anyone will say anything to make it stop.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm just want to say that during WW2 we also did some other bad things. I think we all know about the SS murdering captured GIs during the Battle of the Buldge. But do you know that Roosevelt had nine Germany POWs lined up in Oklahoma and shot in response? The Germans never did execute prisoners again, because they learned we would go as far as we did. It is OK to hold restrains on what we do to prisoners, but in my opinion the knowledge that we can and will do such things is worth the results. When the enemy knows (by the media and bleeding heart crying) that we can not touch then, give them free lawyers, rights equivalent to an American citizen, and access to a court of law (all which they would never get in their own country), they will not hold the respect or fear required to prevent more attacks. I am not advocating all out torture, but advertising our unwillingness to use it is highly counter productive.

As for Berry Manalow being torture? Years ago I asked a girl out that I thought at the time I could never get to even first base (was a very bad dry spell in my life). She was way out of my league (perfect model type) and had never let any guy touch her, that me or her friends could remember. I had received a pair of Manalow tickets from a friend. We went and it was three hours of torture. But the good thing was I found how to push this ice cubes buttons. Three weeks of pure joy followed. The only thing I had to due was slip a Berry Manalow tape in the player. I still have those tapes. When I listen to them they still sound like torture, but what great memories. My wife wonders why I smile when I hear a Manalow song, and she knows I hate him music.

That's My Two Cents
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well put, '76.

As for Mnilow being torture....i still think Vanilla Ice would work better. I can see it now:

"DUN-dun-dun-dada-dun-DUN-Chk....DUN-dun-dun-dada-dun-DUN-Chk.....Awright, STOP! Collaborate an' listen....Ice is back, with a bran'-new invention; Somethin'...grabs ahold of me tightly, (something) like hawk, both daily and nightly---------"

"AAAIEEEE" Allah have mercy! Whaaaa! Pleeez make it stop! Alright! Alright! I tell you where Osama is! I tell you anything you want to know! Just make it stoooooop! Whaaaha-a!!
Okay, okay----I tell you! Osama is holed up, selling crack out of a whorehouse in Hoboken, New Jersey!
Just take that unholy noise awaaaaayyyy! Whaaaaa!"

It could work.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #51 By: thatoneguyinslc - 1/8/2005 1:35:03 AM
Uh miler? I never questioned what he has seen in this thread. I also am well aware that Mod's service was during vietnam. Get a clue.

I lived on base in San Diego when i was a kid, and i saw some of the POW's come home in 1973. i was five. Those guys looked like they had suffered things that i cannot imagine. Like the life had been sucked out of them, and their hollow eyes. I will never ever forget the looks on their faces.

THAT my friends is why i do NOT believe in torture.

Can YOU say that miler? Thought not. The condescending tone kinda drowned out what my message was i guess.


Now your talking out your arse. You were a kid, while I on the otherhand just barely missed going! I had too many *friends* and relatives come back from POW camps looking like death warmed over.
POWS/MIAS? The flag has flown on my mast since 75!
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
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Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #61 By: Lee1776 - 1/8/2005 3:28:46 AM
I'm just want to say that during WW2 we also did some other bad things. I think we all know about the SS murdering captured GIs during the Battle of the Buldge. But do you know that Roosevelt had nine Germany POWs lined up in Oklahoma and shot in response? The Germans never did execute prisoners again, because they learned we would go as far as we did. It is OK to hold restrains on what we do to prisoners, but in my opinion the knowledge that we can and will do such things is worth the results. When the enemy knows (by the media and bleeding heart crying) that we can not touch then, give them free lawyers, rights equivalent to an American citizen, and access to a court of law (all which they would never get in their own country), they will not hold the respect or fear required to prevent more attacks. I am not advocating all out torture, but advertising our unwillingness to use it is highly counter productive.

As for Berry Manalow being torture? Years ago I asked a girl out that I thought at the time I could never get to even first base (was a very bad dry spell in my life). She was way out of my league (perfect model type) and had never let any guy touch her, that me or her friends could remember. I had received a pair of Manalow tickets from a friend. We went and it was three hours of torture. But the good thing was I found how to push this ice cubes buttons. Three weeks of pure joy followed. The only thing I had to due was slip a Berry Manalow tape in the player. I still have those tapes. When I listen to them they still sound like torture, but what great memories. My wife wonders why I smile when I hear a Manalow song, and she knows I hate him music.

That's My Two Cents


My God Lee, I hope she *never* figures it out. If she ever does she'll make you throw those tapes away.

I have a tape like that, simular story, Prince and the Revolution *Purple Rain"
Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: kingbeePosted: Saturday, January 08, 2005taking the high road isn't always the most efficient, or safest, way to get things done. It might be always preferable, but not always the "best" in the practical sensehow many of the women who confessed to being witches in the inquisition or while being otherwise tortured were telling the truth?


thats a sample of high physical torture kingbee , what I posted was makeing them uncomfortable.... not ripping there fingernails off...
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Saturday, January 08, 2005Uh miler? I never questioned what he has seen in this thread. I also am well aware that Mod's service was during vietnam. Get a clue.I lived on base in San Diego when i was a kid, and i saw some of the POW's come home in 1973. i was five. Those guys looked like they had suffered things that i cannot imagine. Like the life had been sucked out of them, and their hollow eyes. I will never ever forget the looks on their faces. THAT my friends is why i do NOT believe in torture.Can YOU say that miler? Thought not. The condescending tone kinda drowned out what my message was i guess.


mesasge received by ME loud and clear ok??? I do not have to agree with it but I do hear and respect your stance
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: kingbeePosted: Saturday, January 08, 2005i dont know why this is suddenly a left-right issue.


I really just wanted this to be a discussion on what is perceived torture kingbee...
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Saturday, January 08, 2005onna side note "history" look at what our military did in the philipines circa early pre ww1 ... we took muslim extremist and threatened to wrap em in pig skin if they did not talk... is that torture too??Pershing DID bury Muslim insurgents with pigs, as an example to the others. Kinda made'em think twice. Different world, that was, but not necessarily worse.


still might not be a bad plan to do NOW....
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
As for Berry Manalow being torture? Years ago I asked a girl out that I thought at the time I could never get to even first base (was a very bad dry spell in my life). She was way out of my league (perfect model type) and had never let any guy touch her, that me or her friends could remember. I had received a pair of Manalow tickets from a friend. We went and it was three hours of torture. But the good thing was I found how to push this ice cubes buttons. Three weeks of pure joy followed. The only thing I had to due was slip a Berry Manalow tape in the player. I still have those tapes. When I listen to them they still sound like torture, but what great memories. My wife wonders why I smile when I hear a Manalow song, and she knows I hate him music.That's My Two Cents


and have a 3rd cent from me. ah men men men we will do most anything to score wont we? lmao
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: RightwingerPosted: Saturday, January 08, 2005Well put, '76.As for Mnilow being torture....i still think Vanilla Ice would work better. I can see it now:"DUN-dun-dun-dada-dun-DUN-Chk....DUN-dun-dun-dada-dun-DUN-Chk.....Awright, STOP! Collaborate an' listen....Ice is back, with a bran'-new invention; Somethin'...grabs ahold of me tightly, (something) like hawk, both daily and nightly---------""AAAIEEEE" Allah have mercy! Whaaaa! Pleeez make it stop! Alright! Alright! I tell you where Osama is! I tell you anything you want to know! Just make it stoooooop! Whaaaha-a!! Okay, okay----I tell you! Osama is holed up, selling crack out of a whorehouse in Hoboken, New Jersey!Just take that unholy noise awaaaaayyyy! Whaaaaa!"It could work.


how about metalica.... played at 110 decabils?