The U.S.A. does not OWE anyone anything.

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Why oh why does most liberals whine that the united states is NOT doing enuff for the world?

2004 WE provided 40% of all the relief efforts in the entire world.

Is that not enuff?

The United morons {nations} cry foul if we give , but not enuff in there determination.... As usual the morons of the world are quick to CONDEMN america. for anything we do..... Where was world aid when florida had its disaster?? where was world aid when the 87 earthquake trashed oakland , california? Where where the left idiots crying then about NO outside help from other countries.

I am tired of americans bashing america... and that allows other countries to bash,,

If the american people do not respect america how can we expect anyone else to?

So all you america bashers including americans STFU>>>> and get the hell out

Please, have a nice day!!! good tidings to all.... be well.... eat good and try to be proud of your country ya might like it...
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Reply #1 from PolMach Forums Top
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
The following is a list of the countries America owes:

MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES (in billions of dollars)

Japan 715.2
Mainland China 174.6
United Kingdom 140.9
Caribbean Banking Centers 85.2
Korea 65.6
Taiwan 57.5
Germany 52.1
Switzerland 50.6
Hong Kong 49.9
Mexico 35.2
Canada 34.2
Luxembourg 27.3
Singapore 26.3

These countries lend the USA money for imperialist wars, tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity, etc.

source: http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
Reply #4 from PolMach Forums Top
Regardless of your position on the political spectrum, it's probably a good idea to learn to spell the word "enough" correctly and form a coherent sentence before calling international diplomats morons.
Reply #5 from PolMach Forums Top
Citizen whoman69 , exuse my language but yor a 100% bona fide french asshole!


biggest tactic of the right, if you don't believe what they do then you must hate America. I spent 7 years in the service to defend this country. My brother was in the marine corps for 10 years. My father spilled his blood in Germany in WWII and my grandfathers brother lost his life on the shores of Normandy for a country he was not even born in? Fug you if you think that anyone who doesn't think the way you do hates America. You don't really even know what America stands for. I heard the same crap coming out of Richard Nixon and Archie Bunker in the 70s. Even a meathead could find a flaw in your thinking.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
So all you america bashers including americans STFU>>>> and get the hell out


Yeah, dissent, that's a disgusting unAmerican thing right there. We should totally think the same things. I mean, that would be, like, unamimous, and that would be cool, 'cause, like, we'd be all in agreement, and stuff, and, well, that would make our country really interesting and thought-provoking and encourage lots of discussion and changes for better ways.

No, your idea is best--we all need to agree, not dissent. Then there'd be peace and we'd all live together and sing songs in our bellbottoms.

-A.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ShowMeBuckstopperPosted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004Regardless of your position on the political spectrum, it's probably a good idea to learn to spell the word "enough" correctly and form a coherent sentence before calling international diplomats morons.


ya mean like I have had enuff of condensending idiots like you? iz dat bedder spellingz? jerk off
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: GrooveDyggerPosted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004The following is a list of the countries America owes:MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES (in billions of dollars)Japan 715.2Mainland China 174.6United Kingdom 140.9 Caribbean Banking Centers 85.2Korea 65.6Taiwan 57.5Germany 52.1Switzerland 50.6 Hong Kong 49.9Mexico 35.2Canada 34.2 Luxembourg 27.3Singapore 26.3These countries lend the USA money for imperialist wars, tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity, etc.source: http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt


then I suggest you move to one of the above listed countries... enough already
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: AngloesquePosted: Thursday, December 30, 2004So all you america bashers including americans STFU>>>> and get the hell outYeah, dissent, that's a disgusting unAmerican thing right there. We should totally think the same things. I mean, that would be, like, unamimous, and that would be cool, 'cause, like, we'd be all in agreement, and stuff, and, well, that would make our country really interesting and thought-provoking and encourage lots of discussion and changes for better ways. No, your idea is best--we all need to agree, not dissent. Then there'd be peace and we'd all live together and sing songs in our bellbottoms.


never said dissent was a bad thing......I said bashing and trashing is.... dissent is what formed this GREAT country...
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: whoman69Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004The preceding message was brought to you by the Archie Bunker school of diplomacy


and the post by you was brought to me by one whiney cry baby from the quick swallow a bandaid cause my heart is bleeding everywhere school of pissin and moanin
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: GrooveDyggerPosted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004The following is a list of the countries America owes:MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES (in billions of dollars)Japan 715.2Mainland China 174.6United Kingdom 140.9 Caribbean Banking Centers 85.2Korea 65.6Taiwan 57.5Germany 52.1Switzerland 50.6 Hong Kong 49.9Mexico 35.2Canada 34.2 Luxembourg 27.3Singapore 26.3These countries lend the USA money for imperialist wars, tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity, etc.source: http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt


could you please show both sides of that particular ledger???? what do they owe us?
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Evan TrivettPosted: Wednesday, December 29, 2004Citizen whoman69 , exuse my language but yor a 100% bona fide french asshole!


I give you an insightfull for you obvious grasp of whatmans personality.. lmao
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
These countries lend the USA money for imperialist wars, tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity, etc.


First of all I can't belive that we owe Japan, of all nations, that much money. Im not saying that I litterally "can't belive" it but damn that is much more than the other countries but hey I have no idea.
But to say that those countries lend us money for "imperialsit wars" is crazy. What imperialsit war? Do you know what that is? I highly doubt any of those nations would contribute money for us to wage imperialist wars especially China and Germany.
"tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity" The illusion of prosperity? You honestly feel that the United States is not a wealthy nation? That our deficit is incurred so that our standard of liveing is so high and that had we not borrowed that money we would live in mud huts? Do you think that we borrow all of this money in order to turn around and GIVE it away to needy countries? If that is the case then the US is the most generous nation in the history of the world. And if that were the case then the would should treat the US like an international Red Cross nation. Give us free money so we can help those in need.
That was an odd view to take.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
GrooveDygger,
While the numbers that you posted are accurate, what you think they mean are not. They are security holdings, in other words investment bonds, a full explanation can be found here http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/method.mfh.html They are not Bills that the United Sates Owes other countries, they are investments that other countries have made in the US Government.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: GrogPosted: Thursday, December 30, 2004GrooveDygger,While the numbers that you posted are accurate, what you think they mean are not. They are security holdings, in other words investment bonds, a full explanation can be found here http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/method.mfh.html They are not Bills that the United Sates Owes other countries, they are investments that other countries have made in the US Government.


just more liberal left twisting things to suit there own purposes. have a cookie for being insightfull
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DysmasPosted: Thursday, December 30, 2004These countries lend the USA money for imperialist wars, tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity, etc.First of all I can't belive that we owe Japan, of all nations, that much money. Im not saying that I litterally "can't belive" it but damn that is much more than the other countries but hey I have no idea.But to say that those countries lend us money for "imperialsit wars" is crazy. What imperialsit war? Do you know what that is? I highly doubt any of those nations would contribute money for us to wage imperialist wars especially China and Germany."tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity" The illusion of prosperity? You honestly feel that the United States is not a wealthy nation? That our deficit is incurred so that our standard of liveing is so high and that had we not borrowed that money we would live in mud huts? Do you think that we borrow all of this money in order to turn around and GIVE it away to needy countries? If that is the case then the US is the most generous nation in the history of the world. And if that were the case then the would should treat the US like an international Red Cross nation. Give us free money so we can help those in need.That was an odd view to take.


again I say just more pinko commie {if he is gonna call me archie bunker I might as well act like him} propaganda trying to undermine america from within while enjoys her great bounty..
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
again I say just more pinko commie {if he is gonna call me archie bunker I might as well act like him} propaganda trying to undermine america from within while enjoys her great bounty..


You can't be refering to me can you? I NEVER called you Archie Bunker! You quoted my post but did not address any of my statements? And actually I tend to agree with the basic point of your post. I am seriously confuesed here. A "pinko commie"? Me? If you are refering to me that is one of the most crazy statements I have ever heard. A commie lol. I guess this commie was very misguided in serving his country during the war for DEMOCRATIC FREEDOM.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

These countries lend the USA money for imperialist wars, tax cuts that give the illusion of prosperity, etc.

Wrong.  They invest.  There is no arm twisting involved.  They know where to make a buck and take the chance.  Quit prostelysizing on issues that you have no clue on.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

biggest tactic of the right, if you don't believe what they do then you must hate America

Biggest tactic of the left is name calling with no justification.  Your first post was totally uncalled for and moronic.

Note for the slow learners.  I called his statement moronic.  I have no idea of his IQ.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DysmasPosted: Thursday, December 30, 2004


You can't be refering to me can you?


nope not you another person that loves useing nixon and bunker to refer to me... k?
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DysmasPosted: Thursday, December 30, 2004


You can't be refering to me can you?


nope not you another person that loves useing nixon and bunker to refer to me... k?
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Thursday, December 30, 2004biggest tactic of the right, if you don't believe what they do then you must hate AmericaBiggest tactic of the left is name calling with no justification. Your first post was totally uncalled for and moronic.Note for the slow learners. I called his statement moronic. I have no idea of his IQ.


ummm I would say Iq falls in the low 70 range dr guy maybe as high as 80..
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

We don't "owe" any countries anything. Some of you have a mind boggling poor understanding of economics.

Citizens, companies, and groups that happen to reside in various countries buy US treasury bills. They aren't lending the US money for "imperialist wars" (what an assanine statement) but rathre they invest their money in treasury bills because they think it will bring a good ROI.

Moreover, not only does the United States GOVERNMENT provide 40% of the outright aid, the US military is the one doing the heavy lifting.  This tsunami for instance, how exactly do people imagine the aid is actually getting to these places? Through magic wishing? No, It's being transported there largely through the US military.

Then there is the private charities in the United States that dwarf anything anywhere else.  Given the US GOVERNMENT's relatively low confiscation of private resources when compared to other industrialized countries, it's amazing the US GOVERNMENT is able to provide 40% of the raw dollar-value relief (before you count in the military infrastructure of actually executing on this aid).  The US private sector sends billions of dollars in aid across the globe. No other country even comes close, even as a % of GDP.

Reply #24 from PolMach Forums Top
Happy New Year to all ye trolls of all political stripes.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
All of you Americans are being stupid, as per usual. The United Kingdom is the greatest fiscal model in the world, and quite frankly it is no wonder you Americans are in such a mess financially because most of you cannot even spell fiscal. Aslong as you are borrowing you believe that everything is fine, America is booming. You forget that usury is the basis of money lending and in the future you will pay dearly for your deficit, your military will decline and your political influence (based on military muscle) will go with it.

The new markets (Asia, India, Europe etc.) will be there to recoup the money and use their immense potential for labour to undermine the US economy and you will blame it all on 'cowardly Europeans'. I agree old chaps, it's that blasted UN and their touchy-feely aid programmes. Jolly good show old chaps.