Start11 v2.06 Release Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 2.06 release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

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Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 v2 a better product.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

02/28/2024

General release

  • Platforms

    • Stardock and Steam

02/26/2024

  • Version updated:
    UI: 2.06
    Start11Config: 2.0.6.4

  • Platforms: Stardock and Steam

Changes

  • A fix for the blank universal app icons when new accounts.  

  • Resolved issue with page not translating in all places

  • Resolved issue introduced in earlier betas when removing a universal app from the recent apps list on Win7/Modern menu styles

  • Win7/Modern menus use the old UWA popup menu for universal apps now, in10/Win11/App/Launcher/Pro menus use the new

  • New universal apps menu filtering tweaked slightly

  • Added registry key to hide > on Win7/Modern menus so jumplists do not show.  Create this in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8  called  S11_HideJumpListOnWin7ModernMenus = 1

  • Resolved overlapping tooltips on tray expansion when the taskbar is at the top of the screen on Windows 11

  • Resolved universal apps popup menu being empty sometimes

  • Removed incorrect right-click menu on universal apps list

Language Updates

02/21/2024

  • Version updated:
    UI: 2.06
    Start11Config: 2.0.6.3

  • Platforms

    • Stardock and Steam

Changes

  • Resolved '&' showing in the right-click file properties menu on some systems

  • Added translation support for (page 1) etc on pinned menu

  • Resolved software re-adding pinned items group when the page only contained read-only groups

  • Resolved extra All Apps link showing in certain edge case situations when using Win11/Win11 Pro/Launcher menu styles.

  • Resolved UK English showing on US installs incorrectly

  • Resolved issue with everything search results showing white text with Win7 menu style and dark taskbar with accent color used on the taskbar when using Start10 style search

  • Resolved issue with Start11 search mode for apps not being aware of accents.  This has been changed to match the rest of the search and all accents are now ignored entirely by default.  Creating the registry key S11_AlwaysStripAccentsInSearch and giving it a value of "0" will match accents but in a case-insensitive way now.

  • Resolves issue with an incorrect version of English appearing in the config menu.

Language Updates

02/15/2024

  • Version updated
    UI: 2.06
    Start11Config.exe 2.0.6.2

  • Platforms

    • Stardock and Steam

Changes

  • Resolve a crash on search when not using 3rd party Everything app

02/14/2024

Changes

  • Version updated
    UI: 2.06
    Start11Config.exe 2.0.6.1

  • Further tweak to sync pins logic to prevent constant syncing issues for some people.

  • Resolved issue with everything search results using Start10 style search when in dark mode having black text

  • Added support for TrafficMonitor taskbar integration when using an enhanced taskbar.  When using non-enhanced mode the taskbar buttons will go under it if the taskbar is full, this is a limitation in how that utility works on Windows 11 with or without Start11.  With an enhanced mode taskbar, this will not happen.

  • Adjusted combined taskbar buttons in Win10 style to stop the line at the bottom of multiple items merging together

  • Detects SAB handling taskbar and will disable all Start11 taskbar features to ensure compatibility

  • The last mouse-highlighted item on the start menu is correctly reset on the menu reopen now

  • Resolved wrong text color in some situations on mouseover of all programs list when very slightly off the selected folder

  • Resolved a small resource leak with tile images in some situations

  • Resolved some small potential memory leaks

  • Further tweaks to sync pins logic for triggering

  • Added option for autohide to reserve 1 pixel of screen space if people encounter issues

  • Removes improper shortcuts that were installed with Start11 2.05

    • ModernMix.lnk

    • Stardock Start11.lnk

Laguage Updates

02/09/2024

  • Version updated
    UI: 2.06
    Start11Config.exe 2.0.6.0

  • Beta released on Stardock and Steam

  • NEW * Added toggle for autohide on taskbar right-click menu

  • NEW * Added new option to set a tab as the default tab to show in a group regardless of the last tab open

  • NEW * Added universal apps, all apps, and steam apps as options for quick access shortcut menu links

  • Resolved issue with right-click menus on taskbar showing separators one menu item lower than it should

  • Added string registry key to disable the above HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8  S11_ShowAutoHideOnTaskbar = 1

  • Added string registry key to use Win32 menus on right click on the taskbar to allow third party extension of the menu. Use HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8    S11_UseOldRightClickMenus = 1

  • Resolved issue with some pinned items on Win10/11/Apps/Launcher/Pro menus not showing Jumplists when they can on right-click

  • Adjusted small mode taskbar to better position overlay icon

  • Adjusted small mode taskbar with Win10 style buttons to ensure the selection indicator line is always visible

  • Improved automatic detection of Touch mode taskbar

  • Resolved excess rounding of tile images when using Win10 style

  • Resolved alpha channel issue when resizing some tile images smaller

  • Resolved issue with some groups not correctly showing in the Pin to submenu

  • Improved drag & drop of icons in groups

  • Stopped read-only groups from allowing you to drag icons over each other when shift is held down

  • Option to open on all apps page now works on Windows Pro and Windows Launcher styles

  • Resolved "Use a custom menu background" option showing as disabled on open of config even when enabled

  • Resolved issue with custom accent color impacting Win10 item text on mouseover

  • Resolved issue with some custom accent colors causing invisible icons on mouseover on quick access shortcut list, all programs list folders, shutdown button

  • Windows 10 style more button links shown in search results now look like buttons matching the look on the other styles

  • Icons will now swap to dark options (where provided) when a custom accent colour is in use that requires it on mouseover

  • Resolved issue with taskbar shortcuts that have been deleted by the user or an uninstaller incorrectly (vs being unpinned) showing as unremovable white icons on the taskbar in enhanced taskbar mode.  The icons will now remain and they can be removed by right click unpin for all new cases and old ones will simply no longer show at all.

  • Swapping taskbar touch mode / not no longer requires an explorer restart

  • Resolved issue with custom menu background not correctly painting after menu swaps from one dpi screen to another

  • Stopped all apps list on Windows App style menu from taking mouse focus when a menu overlapped that window sometimes

  • Tweaked Start11 autohide mode to no longer reserve any space at the bottom of the screen.  This does mean the very bottom pixel of a maximized app isn't clickable, but this shouldn't be an issue as click targets should never be so small.

  • Tweaked overlay icon on taskbar buttons to be slightly bigger to match Windows 11 unless using small taskbar size

  • Resolved issue with taskbar thumbnail popups not always showing again after a primary monitor swap

  • Resolved issue with right-click menus on taskbar showing separators one menu item lower than it should

  • Added toggle for autohide on taskbar right-click menu

  • Added string registry key to disable the above HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8  S11_ShowAutoHideOnTaskbar = 1

  • Added string registry key to use Win32 menus on right-click on the taskbar to allow third-party extension of the menu. Use HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8    S11_UseOldRightClickMenus = 1

  • Resolved issue with some pinned items on Win10/11/Apps/Launcher/Pro menus not showing Jump lists when they can on right-click

  • Resolved hang issue when Win11/App/Pro/Launcher start menu has no groups that are not read only. This could have happened in other situations but this was the particular one found.

  • Resolved issue with Import settings on login Business edition feature not working correctly in all situations

  • Resolved issue with restore settings in config not telling Start11 to reload the groups if the menu mode was the same 

  • Also resolved an issue with the experimental load tile images option loading white images for apps like MS word etc.

Language localization updates

Chinese - Simplified:
https://github.com/StardockCorp/Stardock-Software-Localization/commit/d908c8e33bbd4c8b2715560c3250346496cd50cd

Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

***Reserved***

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Start 11 v2.03 installed was working good. Did the update to 2.05 and my boot time increased from 16 seconds to over 69 seconds. Restored my computer from backup and boot time is back to 16 seconds. Reloaded 2.06 and boot is again 69 seconds. Instead of restoring from backup this time I just installed 2.03 over 2.06 and the boot time is good at 16 seconds. I did this several times and the 2.05 and 2.06 version is causing the boot delay.

Windows 11 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155)
Start 11 2.05 and 2.06

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting regdh, reply 4

Start 11 v2.03 installed was working good. Did the update to 2.05 and my boot time increased from 16 seconds to over 69 seconds. Restored my computer from backup and boot time is back to 16 seconds. Reloaded 2.06 and boot is again 69 seconds. Instead of restoring from backup this time I just installed 2.03 over 2.06 and the boot time is good at 16 seconds. I did this several times and the 2.05 and 2.06 version is causing the boot delay.

Windows 11 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155)
Start 11 2.05 and 2.06

Is there anything in the windows event log about crashes or hangs in explorer?

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 5

Is there anything in the windows event log about crashes or hangs in explorer?

Would Process Monitor logs help as well?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

No hangs or crashes

Event log shows event 100 boot duration 71009ms, IsDegradation True. Under details, the only one that is different is MainPathBootTime 51709. Without 2.05 or 2.06 the time is 5012.

I will have to learn how to do process monitor log.

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Windows 11 23H2
Start11 v2 2.0.6
Modern style with Icon

1) The taskbar shuts down and restarts intermittently.
2) If you search for 'calc' in English, 'calculator' is not found.
When '계산기' is entered in Korean, a calculator is searched only.

Because of this problem, we went back to version 2.0.5.

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

when enhanced taskbar is enable , some app's icon missing on taskbar like ESET or Spotify.

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

I was seeing the mostly blank custom toolbar occasionally on version 2.0.5, I don't think it is specific to 2.0.6.  A reboot cleared it up.

Windows 11 23H2 22631.3155

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Not sure if this is a "bug" or a missing "feature", but I always set this key on new Windows installations:

reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced" /v LastActiveClick /t  REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

 

If I have multiple copies of an application open (most often file explorer), it will bring each of them to the top, in sequence, each time I click on the Taskbar icon.  I loath having to wait for the popup and guess which of the thumbnails to click.  I believe this was the default until Windows 8.

Would love to see this functionality available in Start11.  Loving it so far, Thanks!.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting clock75, reply 8

Windows 11 23H2
Start11 v2 2.0.6
Modern style with Icon

1) The taskbar shuts down and restarts intermittently.
2) If you search for 'calc' in English, 'calculator' is not found.
When '계산기' is entered in Korean, a calculator is searched only.

Because of this problem, we went back to version 2.0.5.

In cant repro #2 you note here

Can you picture what you are seeing or tell me what I need to do to see it?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

1) Start11 v2 2.0.6

2) Start11 v2 2.0.5(Old Version)

and If input 'calc' multiple times,
the 'Explorer.exe' process terminates and execute again.

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

It would be nice to be able to change the font colour on the tabs and icon descriptions rather that just black or white.

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting clock75, reply 13

and If input 'calc' multiple times,
the 'Explorer.exe' process terminates and execute again.

What might be being exposed here is a translation issue introduced with 2.06.  If it's not much trouble for you, and because you seem fluent in English, can you reproduce the issue if the PC language is set to English?

Lastly, for any crash that you can reproduce reliably, we would want to collect crash dumps for.  To do so, please see:

https://support.stardock.com/space/SHC/1347321935/Manually+Collecting+Start+Crash+Dumps

Appreciate the feedback an information. 

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

I was having problems with Start11 V2.06 achieving full screen w/apps w/TB set to Autohide and positioned at the top of the monitors, Main: Dell S3220DFG and 2nd Asus IPS MX279. 

I rolled back the install of 2.06 to 2.05 and everything is fine. Will try again when 2.06 has been refined.

Basj is aware of this. I wasn't aware of this thread and thought I'd repost here.

 

Thanks

Bill

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

There are white lines at the left and top edge of the User Image in the Windows Pro Style start menu.

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Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting terkO5, reply 17

I have fixed some translation problems in the previous start11 version from a native Japanese speaker's point of view.
Can you please check and update it?

https://github.com/DiGS-O5/ja.lng-for-start11

If there is a problem I will delete the file immediately.

Appreciate the effort.  Just do a pull request and we will see and review it. For more information, please see:

https://github.com/StardockCorp/Stardock-Software-Localization

If you have any questions on it, you can @ me from there, and Ill help.

Again, thanks for your time and contribution. 

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

Removing startallback "support" is a problem for me. I use startallback only to activate system-wide dark mode (black file transfer, etc.). But in the latest version it doesn't let me use start11 together with startallback.

I understand that if both are activated it may cause a conflict, but if only the desired options are activated it has been working. For me the new version is a problem and I have returned to 2.0.5

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting ttalonso, reply 20

Removing startallback "support" is a problem for me. I use startallback only to activate system-wide dark mode (black file transfer, etc.). But in the latest version it doesn't let me use start11 together with startallback.

I understand that if both are activated it may cause a conflict, but if only the desired options are activated it has been working. For me the new version is a problem and I have returned to 2.0.5

Are you sure you have not enabled options in that to change the taskbar to the Windows 10 style on Windows 11?

If not it may need further investigation and the list of settings enabled in that would be helpful as we added this to improve compatibility not make it worse :)

I should note we have not removed support, we have added detection to prevent reported conflicts which stop the two working together without the menu getting stuck in a loop.  We had a number of complaints about this.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Yes, I'm sure. I have also tried it on 2 different computers. One with Windows 11 stable and another with insider preview. In StartAllBack only have the win7 explorer style activated. ( Menu, start, taskbar, etc... all disabled.) When I install Start11 2.0.6 it works, but every time I restart start11 it is disabled, in 2.0.5 it works without problem. If you want me to pass captures, logs, etc. I can do it.

 

 

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting ttalonso, reply 22

Yes, I'm sure. I have also tried it on 2 different computers. One with Windows 11 stable and another with insider preview. In StartAllBack only have the win7 explorer style activated. ( Menu, start, taskbar, etc... all disabled.) When I install Start11 2.0.6 it works, but every time I restart start11 it is disabled, in 2.0.5 it works without problem. If you want me to pass captures, logs, etc. I can do it.

 

 

Can you provide us with a screenshot of the taskbar please.

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

I don't know exactly what part you need. From startallback I only want the file explorer without tabs and the "dark" mode

 

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting ttalonso, reply 24

I don't know exactly what part you need. From startallback I only want the file explorer without tabs and the "dark" mode

 


It seems there may be a problem with detecting startallback on initial startup sometimes as it may detect it and the taskbar hasn't loaded up the Win11 specific bits yet so confuses Start11 into thinking the taskbar replacement feature of that app is enabled.  If you restart explorer it would then be ok until the next time you sign in.

For now you can bypass this by creating a registry key in this location :

HKEY_CURRENT_USER/SOFTWARE/Stardock/Start8/Start8.ini/Start8

Call it S11_DisableSABOptOut and make it type string and give it a value of "1"

Then next time you restart explorer it shouldn't detect it.