Start11 2.03 Beta Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 2.03 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 v2 a better product.

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 2.03 Changelog (Released 11/21/2023)

11/21/2023

Released to live.

11/20/2023

  • Version updated:
    UI 2.03
    Start11Config.exe 2.0.3.0

  • Initial language localization pass included. Please click here for more details.

  • Resolved a possible crash when combining two groups as a tab group if no other tab groups exist

  • Resolved issue 2.02 beta introduced with a crash when the icon cache changed on Win10

  • Resolved issue where a Fence as a group would not save the number of rows it should show correctly

  • Resolved an issue with an icon cache flush causing wrong icons to show in the UI sometimes

  • Added registry key "S11_PutUniversalAppsInFolderByDefault" which when given a value of "1" will put universal apps in a Universal apps folder in the Win10/11/Pro/Launcher/App menus.  Create in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8

  • Added registry key "S11_NoMenuAnimations" which when given a value of "1" which will turn off right click menu animations.  Create in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8

  • Some tweaks to enhanced taskbar to prevent apps from sending too many messages to the taskbar causing it to slow down

  • Recently installed now correctly shows Universal apps installed from the store

  • Recently installed apps (Win10/11/Pro/App/Launcher) menus now only show items as 'recent' within 1.5 days of install

  • Recent items popup menus now filter out some additional items

11/17/2023

  • Start11 Config version updated to 2.0.2.0 (2.02 in UI)

  • Resolved issue with global font scaling in Start11 being deactivated briefly when opening right-click menus

  • Added detection for Fences 5 installs when Fences 4 had not been installed before

  • Resolved issue with Fences 5 show desktop button on the taskbar not working with Enhanced taskbar enabled

  • Resolved taskbar icon changes not always being picked up correctly by Start11 with Enhanced taskbar enabled

  • Resolved missing icons on the Start10 style search

  • Added everything support to Start10 style search mode

  • Resolved issue with shutdown and signout menus in Win10 style sometimes losing focus to what is under them

  • Resolved the issue of having too many items in a folder resulting in being unable to see all of the items.  It will now scroll them instead.

  • Resolved autohide taskbar showing up on secondary when start menu open on the primary

  • Resolved an issue with the taskbar opening from autohide too early if the taskbar was offset from the bottom of the screen in some situations

  • Resolved issue with multiple column menus showing at the top of the screen sometimes

  • Resolved issue with right-clicking on recent documents link and picking open causing an error prompt about a missing user account

  • Menus with multiple columns now show A-Z per column rather than spreading A-Z over each column

  • Added registry key "S11_DelayAutoHide" which when given a value of "1" will delay autohide show/hide.  Create in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8

11/13/2023

  • Start11Config.exe 2.0.1.1 (2.01 in UI)

  • Resolved a crash issue with Win7 style on login in rare circumstances

  • Resolved an issue with enhanced taskbar autohide when the primary monitor is to the right of the secondary monitor with desktop icon placement

  • Resolved issue with clicking on pinned taskbar buttons set to only show on certain monitors not showing a right-click menu 

  • Resolved issue with mixed dpi setups where right-click menus may not detect dpi changes consistently

  • Resolve the issue with offset taskbar mode with autohide on a secondary.

  • Limited recent docs popup menu to 15 items (or OS setting if defined)

  • Reduced a flicker when minimizing/restoring a window from the taskbar using the mouse

  • Adjusted some init code to prevent threads from being allocated earlier than needed

  • Tweak to extra control panel item showing

  • Resolved issue with rounded taskbar causing clipped taskbars on primary monitor when using a touch-capable device with Win11 22H2 or later

  • Resolved issue with taskbar offsets on secondary monitor without enhanced taskbar enabled not working correctly

  • Tweaked shutdown menu to stop list under it taking focus sometimes

  • Added registry key S11_AlwaysScrollMenus which when set to 1 will stop Start11 making menus multi column and instead use a scrolling list.  Create in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8

  • Resolved issue with Win7/Modern style jumplists sometimes showing each item too small after switching menu modes

  • Added a new registry key to control the right-click menu style on Windows 11.  It is called "S11_MenuStyle" and it has 3 options.  0 = translucent menus, 1 = solid menus, 2 = colour tinted translucent menus

  • Resolved all apps/steam apps list not working from a pinned taskbar folder if you are using the Win7/Modern menu styles

  • Resolved issue with sub menus showing far left of the screen when they would not fit next to the open menu on multi-column menus

  • Resolved issue with new Start11 autohide taskbar mode triggering too far from the bottom of the screen vs the primary

  • Resolved issue with Win 7/modern menu with Win10 style all apps tree not having Show Recently installed and suggested apps not refreshing the list instantly

  • Resolved issue with right-hand list on start menu flickering over search results during animation to switch to search mode sometimes with Win 7/modern menu styles

  • Resolved issue with leftover tooltip after launching an app from the menu if the tooltip was visible at the time

  • Altered config UI to grey out the settings for rounded taskbars unless the rounded taskbar is enabled as this may be causing confusion

  • Resolved menus sometimes being the wrong background color depending on OS color settings

  • Resolved sub-menus showing on popup folder menus being shifted too far right on Win11 setups

  • Resolved Win Launcher menu style when hiding search and username causing shutdown to overlap contents of the list

Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

  • tbd
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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

***Reserved***

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdrohan, reply 3

Resolved an issue with enhanced taskbar autohide when the primary monitor is to the right of the secondary monitor with desktop icon placement

Thanks! Working

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Added the Registry String S11_AlwaysScrollMenus with value set to 1; and it works great.

Added the Registry String S11_MenuMode; tried all the values (0,1,2) with no change in the context menus.

(Tried both restarting Explorer and Restating the computer.)

pelaird

Windows 11 Pro - 22635.2700; Start11 Beta - 2.0.1.1

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pelaird, reply 5

Added the Registry String S11_AlwaysScrollMenus with value set to 1; and it works great.

Added the Registry String S11_MenuMode; tried all the values (0,1,2) with no change in the context menus.

I am not sure I understand what always scroll is supposed to change?

I can confirm adding string value "s11_MenuMode does not change context menu. I also do not see a pre existing key by that name as the changelog suggests

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Noticed sometimes the system tray is too high from the taskbar, not sure what the cause is yet. It seems to be about 2x the distance away than it should be.

This is with the S11 taskbar / autohide features enabled.

 

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 6


Quoting pelaird,
reply 5

Added the Registry String S11_AlwaysScrollMenus with value set to 1; and it works great.

Added the Registry String S11_MenuMode; tried all the values (0,1,2) with no change in the context menus.

I am not sure I understand what always scroll is supposed to change?

Example: If you right click on the Start11 menu and select New>Pin installed application, the resulting menu will scroll instead of a giant fly-out menu.

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Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pelaird, reply 8

Example: If you right click on the Start11 menu and select New>Pin installed application, the resulting menu will scroll instead of a giant fly-out menu.

Thanks, Now I see the change and it does make the menu look a lot better too in my opinion

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

OK, so I installed the beta and the issue with icons moving to the secondary monitor isn't fixed yet. Crap. :-(

Now I seem to have uncovered a new bug that affects the non-beta and this current beta. When I enable "Start 11 autohide mode" I can't get the taskbar to show back up on the main monitor unless I press the Windows key on my keyboard.  I can drag my mouse cursor down all I want but it won't bring the taskbar back up.

I've since had to disable autohide and keep my taskbar in single-row mode.

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

As described in the 2.0 feedback thread, I'm still having issues with start11 menu not opening on start button click.
I also noticed i cannot change the start button icon. (I can change the location however (left or centered))

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Supremacy2k, reply 11

As described in the 2.0 feedback thread, I'm still having issues with start11 menu not opening on start button click.
I also noticed i cannot change the start button icon. (I can change the location however (left or centered))

Something in the boot process seems to be causing a hiccup in Start11 loading, since restarting Explorer fixes the issue. It would have to be something that loads early in the process since Start11 loads very early.

You could check the Event log boot process.

The log can be called up by right-clicking on the Start menu button and selecting Event Viewer or open search and enter event viewer. Go to Application and service logs > Microsoft > Windows > Diagnostics-Performance > Operational. Take a look at the most recent boot and see if there is an app causing problems or an error.

As far as changing the Start button, the Enhanced taskbar must be on in the Start11 settings in order to change the Start button.

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

Little cosmetic bug: Tray-Button cut off on the left. The orgional Win 11 button has round corners on both edges.

  • Start11 v2.0.1.1
  • Windows 11 (22631.2506)

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Bug? Some selections around the active tiles are rounded, others are angular. No recognisable pattern.

  • Start11 v2.0.1.1
  • Windows 11 (22631.2506)

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pelaird, reply 12


Quoting Supremacy2k,
reply 11

As described in the 2.0 feedback thread, I'm still having issues with start11 menu not opening on start button click.
I also noticed i cannot change the start button icon. (I can change the location however (left or centered))



Something in the boot process seems to be causing a hiccup in Start11 loading, since restarting Explorer fixes the issue. It would have to be something that loads early in the process since Start11 loads very early.

You could check the Event log boot process.

The log can be called up by right-clicking on the Start menu button and selecting Event Viewer or open search and enter event viewer. Go to Application and service logs > Microsoft > Windows > Diagnostics-Performance > Operational. Take a look at the most recent boot and see if there is an app causing problems or an error.



As far as changing the Start button, the Enhanced taskbar must be on in the Start11 settings in order to change the Start button.



I installed the beta version today, and i only have 2 warnings in Diagnostics-Performance log view.



The other 2 is boot time.

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

I'm not sure this would cause your issue, but something in Start11 is not getting the message from Windows to the Start11 Control settings.

This an unusual situation which I have only seen once before, hence very difficult to diagnose. The fact that restarting Windows Explorer fixes the issue, something is wanky during boot. After you restart Explorer, does the the issue ever reappear prior to the next restart?

Also does this happen after a restart or after a shutdown and start?

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pelaird, reply 16



I'm not sure this would cause your issue, but something in Start11 is not getting the message from Windows to the Start11 Control settings.

This an unusual situation which I have only seen once before, hence very difficult to diagnose. The fact that restarting Windows Explorer fixes the issue, something is wanky during boot. After you restart Explorer, does the the issue ever reappear prior to the next restart?

Also does this happen after a restart or after a shutdown and start?

 

Im back to square one after every reboot.

Restarting explorer.exe on every reboot is not an option for me.

So for now, i have to get used to press the windows key until its fixed.

A reinstall of windows is also not an option at this point.

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Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Supremacy2k, reply 17


Quoting pelaird,
reply 16



I'm not sure this would cause your issue, but something in Start11 is not getting the message from Windows to the Start11 Control settings.

This an unusual situation which I have only seen once before, hence very difficult to diagnose. The fact that restarting Windows Explorer fixes the issue, something is wanky during boot. After you restart Explorer, does the the issue ever reappear prior to the next restart?

Also does this happen after a restart or after a shutdown and start?



 

Im back to square one after every reboot.

Restarting explorer.exe on every reboot is not an option for me.

So for now, i have to get used to press the windows key until its fixed.

A reinstall of windows is also not an option at this point.

Would you be willing to post or PM me a screenshot of your startup apps from the Task Manager?

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pelaird, reply 18


Quoting Supremacy2k,
reply 17






Quoting pelaird,

reply 16




I'm not sure this would cause your issue, but something in Start11 is not getting the message from Windows to the Start11 Control settings.

This an unusual situation which I have only seen once before, hence very difficult to diagnose. The fact that restarting Windows Explorer fixes the issue, something is wanky during boot. After you restart Explorer, does the the issue ever reappear prior to the next restart?

Also does this happen after a restart or after a shutdown and start?



 

Im back to square one after every reboot.

Restarting explorer.exe on every reboot is not an option for me.

So for now, i have to get used to press the windows key until its fixed.

A reinstall of windows is also not an option at this point.



Would you be willing to post or PM me a screenshot of your startup apps from the Task Manager?





I already tried a clean boot, with everything disabled.
Same result.

I also tried switching the stardock start11 service to run off of the administrator account, didn't change a thing.

On this boot i checked eventviewer again, no warning or errors in Diagnostics-Performance -> Operational logs.

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Supremacy2k, reply 19




I already tried a clean boot, with everything disabled.
Same result.

I also tried switching the stardock start11 service to run off of the administrator account, didn't change a thing.

On this boot i checked eventviewer again, no warning or errors in Diagnostics-Performance -> Operational logs.

The only thing I see here that might be causing an issue is Corsair's iCue. Try disabling it and reboot; let me know the results.

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pelaird, reply 20


Quoting Supremacy2k,
reply 19






I already tried a clean boot, with everything disabled.
Same result.

I also tried switching the stardock start11 service to run off of the administrator account, didn't change a thing.

On this boot i checked eventviewer again, no warning or errors in Diagnostics-Performance -> Operational logs.



The only thing I see here that might be causing an issue is Corsair's iCue. Try disabling it and reboot; let me know the results.

 

Its 10pm here. Ill test tomorrow.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Supremacy2k, reply 19

I already tried a clean boot, with everything disabled.
Same result.

I also tried switching the stardock start11 service to run off of the administrator account, didn't change a thing.

On this boot i checked eventviewer again, no warning or errors in Diagnostics-Performance -> Operational logs.

1. Am I understanding correctly that this problem is only on version 2 and not on version 1 of start 11?

2. If it is not a start up program my other guess would be some sort of of other taskbar / explorer modifier. Do you have anything like explorerpatcher / startallback / oldnewexplorer / or anything similar installed?

3. I know this may seem silly to ask but I want to make sure basis are all covered. Under the option [control] do you have {clicking start menu] set to {start 11 menu}?

4. For the sake of diagnosis do you have a 2 in 1 pc with tablet mode?

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdrohan, reply 1

  • Reduced a flicker when minimizing/restoring a window from the taskbar using the mouse

Thank you for fixing this! It works so fine now!

Also, I would like to report a problem I noticed previously and I thought is temporary.

The menu Windows 11 Style can be resized I mean shrunk too much and it exceeds the tiles area.

The problem looks like that:

But, it must looks like this:

What I mean is the shrunk should not exceed.

Plus, I want to mention again, the problem about lock the menu, but it still can be resized.

It'd be nice to add an option to lock the resizing menu, similar to: Allow the taskbar to be resized.

Many Thanks!

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Touch/pen input causes the selected window to come to top and then minimize. this does not happen when using mouse input (still happening after update)

Newly Installed programs don't automatically show necessitating use of search or the Windows start menu to pin new programs (didn't realize there was an update. just updated)

Thinks it is activated by Steam, but using individual key direct from Stardock

notable settings changes
Windows 10 start
Sometimes merge taskbar
Left side start with centered aligned taskbar buttons

though this seems to happen even with default settings

Winver= Windows 11 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2506)

Start11 = 2.0 beta 1.02

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 22


Quoting Supremacy2k,
reply 19

I already tried a clean boot, with everything disabled.
Same result.

I also tried switching the stardock start11 service to run off of the administrator account, didn't change a thing.

On this boot i checked eventviewer again, no warning or errors in Diagnostics-Performance -> Operational logs.



1. Am I understanding correctly that this problem is only on version 2 and not on version 1 of start 11?

2. If it is not a start up program my other guess would be some sort of of other taskbar / explorer modifier. Do you have anything like explorerpatcher / startallback / oldnewexplorer / or anything similar installed?

3. I know this may seem silly to ask but I want to make sure basis are all covered. Under the option [control] do you have {clicking start menu] set to {start 11 menu}?

4. For the sake of diagnosis do you have a 2 in 1 pc with tablet mode?



It all started when i updated windows 11 pro to 23H2.
Before that Start11 v 1.x was working perfectly.

I figured windows changed so much, it was time to upgrade Start11 to v2.
Hopefully it would fix the issue.

No luck.

2. I have nothing that alters anything in windows.
3. Yes, the option to show Start11 menu in settings is enabled.
4. This is a desktop pc.

Edit: I just tried a clean boot again, everything disabled.
When starting the start11 service after logon, it works. 
But when i reboot it's back to not working.

I tried setting it to delayed start, but it won't allow me.


And as said, it all started after updating windows 11 pro to 23H2.

 

Edit 2: I just came across another thread on this forum about a user being able to update to windows 11 with an unsupported CPU.
I'm running an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X which is supported.
So that should not be the problem.