Start11 Release Preview 2.02 Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 Release Preview 2.02, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

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Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 v2 a better product.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 v2.0.2 Changelog (Released 10/31/2023)

10/31/2023

  • Released

  • Start11 5-Pack upgrade is now available

10/30/2023

  • Beta version updated to 2.0.0.2

  • Beta install file was initially Start11_2.0.0.2-j36-Setup.exe. Replaced with Start11_2.0.0.2-j37-Setup.exe as there was an odd issue with the intaller window being small for some reason.

  • Change to have UI disable pick a custom color options when mica is enabled and the menu will ignore any set color

  • Resolved issue with Win pro style where quick list is sometimes cut shorter than it could be depending on menu style settings

  • Filtered a rogue menu entry from the Control panel on some systems when a menu

  • Added setting in the menu to set row count for tabs to set all the tabs in the group to the same height.  On by default

  • Resolved issue with the taskbar on top and popup menus needing to be multiple columns end up bottom aligned rather than top aligned

  • Resolved issue with hiding user icon leaving space at the top of the menu when you are using top aligned taskbar

  • Resolved very short tab names being swapped with the tab index instead.  Note that tabs with no name would still have the tab index

  • Resolved issue with hide from apps option under the more submenu on Win11 and Win Pro and Win Launcher styles not showing correctly

  • Shift right-click menu on pinned items with enhanced taskbar enabled now offers ‘Run as other user’ if applicable

  • Tweaked corner painting for shadows as Edge was being lost on new menu styles

  • Stopped universal apps defaulting into subfolders as this mirrors the OS

  • Resolved icon loading for iTunes

  • Tweak spacing on all apps list to be slightly bigger for Win11, Win Pro and Win Launcher styles

  • Resolved Fences groups vanishing from the menu on changes due to not saving the new group data/

10/27/2023

  • Beta branch created versioned as 2.0.0.1
    Beta can be downloaded client account page or Object Destkop Manager (ODM) with ‘Show betas’ check in Options

  • Updated config exe only to fix the reading of font size settings not working correctly.

  • Resolved issue with Pin installed app menu not letting you pin from a submenu and instead launching the app.

  • Resolved issue with ‘this parameter is incorrect’ error when enabling menu backgrounds and grid backgrounds

  • Resolved issue with taskbar popup menus not correctly handling virtual folders

  • Adjusted pinned taskbar suggested apps list to be limited to 14 items

  • Corrected positioning of the menus when links in the quick access shortcut list are set to open menus for Win11/App/Pro styles

  • Added arrows indicating quick access shortcut list entries are menus on Pro style

  • Added option for narrow right-hand side of Win Pro style menu

  • Added option to hide user icon for Win Pro and Win Launcher style menus

  • Resolved issue with logout & shutdown menus showing on the wrong screen when using the Win10 style menu when there is a monitor on the left of the menu.

  • Resolved runtime error issue with pinned items for some users without VC runtimes installed

  • Tweaked detection of Win taskbar mode in config on OOBE

  • Resolved issue with renaming icons

  • Fixed sync typo on advanced settings option for Win10/11/Launcher/Pro/App menu styles

  • Resolved canceling tab drag with escape left menu in tab dragging mode for painting until a click on the menu happened

  • OS pin syncing was adjusted to avoid possible issues with reimporting in error

  • Resolved issue with some missing jumplists

  • Resolved issue with popup menus on side of Win7/Modern menu showing access denied

  • Resolved issue with tooltips on Win7/Modern menu right hand side showing numbers for some items

  • Added support for hide search field when not searching to Windows App style/Pro style/ Launcher style menus

  • Resolved issue with showing icon on shutdown button in Win7/Modern style

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Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

  • Start menu folder groups need a manual refresh (right-click) if new files are added to a folder.
  • Adding a network drive as a taskbar folder group may render inconsistently and hinder menu open speed.
  • WindowBlinds skins will not skin the new styles
  • Language localization will be very spotty (good in some places, bad in others).  This will improve over time and as we approach a general release.
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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

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Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting djc5166,

Have seen this bug for awhile, but only recently pinned down how to reproduce it.

If you are currently in the right click dialog menu on something on your start bar, then any new windows notifications are shifted to the current right click menu (instead of in the bottom right corner).



Here GHub posts a notification when you change the mouse DPI so it was easy to reproduce, but this happens with any notification and any program's right click menu.

 

Still not addressed. 

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting djc5166, reply 4

Quoting djc5166,

Have seen this bug for awhile, but only recently pinned down how to reproduce it.

If you are currently in the right click dialog menu on something on your start bar, then any new windows notifications are shifted to the current right click menu (instead of in the bottom right corner).







Here GHub posts a notification when you change the mouse DPI so it was easy to reproduce, but this happens with any notification and any program's right click menu. 

 

Still not addressed. 

So to be clear, to see \ reproduce this:

  • One has to be in the act of right-clicking a taskbar item
  • At that very same moment, the \ any app has to be receiving a system \ toast notification?

I tested it with that understanding and did not have the same results

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Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Windows 11 23H2, Build 22631.2506

Perhaps this is intentional.

When the 'Draw Icon on the Left' appearance option is selected, folders created by combining pinned apps together are displayed without an icon. Folders pinned by browsing the computer do not have the issue.

Default icon text style:

Draw-icons-left style:

 

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 5

So to be clear, to see \ reproduce this:

 

  • One has to be in the act of right-clicking a taskbar item

 

  • At that very same moment, the \ any app has to be receiving a system \ toast notification?

Not at the very same moment, notifications stick around for 5-10s or so?

Right clicking anything on the S11 managed task bar while the notification is out moves the notifications box to where you clicked. And it stays misbehaving even after that. It is very odd, sometimes they are stuck there until reboot, sometimes the side tray stops working all together.

Reproduced on at least 4 machines since my post under v1.27.

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting djc5166, reply 7

Not at the very same moment, notifications stick around for 5-10s or so?

Right clicking anything on the S11 managed task bar while the notification is out moves the notifications box to where you clicked. And it stays misbehaving even after that, it is very odd.

Reproduced on at least 4 machine since my post under v1.27.

It's just I don't believe we have ever had such a report, djc5166.

I have updated my post with my tests.  Tell me what I need to do differently to reproduce it.

Do you have ANY other software \ modifications that acts on the taskbar; Explorer Patcher for example?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 8


Quoting djc5166,
reply 7

Not at the very same moment, notifications stick around for 5-10s or so?

Right clicking anything on the S11 managed task bar while the notification is out moves the notifications box to where you clicked. And it stays misbehaving even after that, it is very odd.

Reproduced on at least 4 machine since my post under v1.27.



It's just I don't believe we have ever had such a report, djc5166.

I have updated my post with my tests.  Tell me what I need to do differently to reproduce it.

Do you have ANY other software \ modifications that acts on the taskbar; Explorer Patcher for example?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

I don't think teams notifications behave the same way, I don't get the shift when its a teams notification. Maybe because of the extra quick reply box? I didn't notice that before.


No other software. I even try this again whenever I reformat/reinstall windows or setup a new machine. Clean install with just S11. Same behavior all the way back since 21H2. 

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting djc5166, reply 9

No other software. I even try this again whenever I reformat/reinstall windows or setup a new machine. Clean install with just S11. Same behavior all the way back since 21H2. 

So perhaps this is unique to a G Hub app \ notification?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 10


Quoting djc5166,
reply 9

No other software. I even try this again whenever I reformat/reinstall windows or setup a new machine. Clean install with just S11. Same behavior all the way back since 21H2. 



So perhaps this is unique to a G Hub app \ notification?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

It happens with everything else that I have, ghub, onedrive, corsair icue, discord, teamviewer. I guess teams itself is different somehow.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting djc5166, reply 11

It happens with everything else that I have, ghub, onedrive, corsair icue, discord, teamviewer. I guess teams itself is different somehow.

Discord

Video:

Win11:
https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-10-31_16-29-51.mp4

Win10:
https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-10-31_16-33-39sdrohan.mp4

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting djc5166, reply 13

Try right clicking after the notification is already up?

Win10 was fine...
https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-10-31_17-02-37sdrohan.mp4

Win11, I could repro it, however.
https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-10-31_17-03-38.mp4

I will log it.

Internal ref: ODNT-7375

Thanks for the feedback and effort, djc5166.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Great!, I thought I was going insane here. Thanks for looking into it.

Sometimes it also messes up the whole 'notification tray' afterwards, where it will expand out to wherever you had right clicked. But I wasn't able to consistently reproduce that. Only way to fix the tray when that happens was to restart explorer/reboot.

Initially it was barely even an issue, until the tray decided to shift too.

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

Hi, does the new version allow the taskbar to be placed at the sides of the screen, and arranges correctly the icons doing it so?

Thanks

 

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Leandro_Justo7031, reply 18

active with start11 v1.47 key please.

Start11 v2 requires a Start11 v2 key.  This is a paid upgrade from 1.x unless purchased since 1st October 2023.

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

I would like to suggest an option for the New pin menu to add link. Pinning files and folders of course but adding an internet link or website requires me to first create a new shortcut to the site and then pin that shortcut. 

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Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

The 5x Pack Start11 upgarde is working, the 10€ for 5 Upgrade licenses is fair. The new Windows Pro Style is my favourite.

As i'm using a central start on a bottom taskbar, some glitches are still there, like in 1.X. Some menus still opening from bottom, i assume they are too hard coded in the Windows code.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Might I also suggest having a "Pinned" tab group that would always show on every page.

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

the issue i reported Start11 v2.0 Public Preview Feedback Thread has not been addressed or answered, and the problem still persists after installing the release version

 

Issue - 

of the 7 choices of the start menu options in start 11, none of them works after I click and enable them

its just my original start menu, no change is applied no matter what I do

 

Windows version - 

Windows 11 22H2 22621.2428

 

Screenshot - start menu appears as default windows one, despite enabling the windows 7 menu in Start 11 (i blurred the icons), same thing occurs when selecting other start menu types

 

Steps to recreate the issue seen -  

Start 11 > Start Menu > enable (any option)

 

Version - Start 11 2.02

i tried clean uninstall, windows restart etc

 

 

i feel like I am being scammed at this point, where a major feature of the software is not working and there is no support or whatsoever

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting dreamfordreamst, reply 23

the issue i reported Start11 v2.0 Public Preview Feedback Thread has not been addressed or answered, and the problem still persists after installing the release version
 
Issue - 
of the 7 choices of the start menu options in start 11, none of them works after I click and enable them

its just my original start menu, no change is applied no matter what I do

Windows version - 

Windows 11 22H2 22621.2428

Screenshot - start menu appears as default windows one, despite enabling the windows 7 menu in Start 11 (i blurred the icons), same thing occurs when selecting other start menu types

Steps to recreate the issue seen -  

Start 11 > Start Menu > enable (any option)

Version - Start 11 2.02

i tried clean uninstall, windows restart etc

i feel like I am being scammed at this point, where a major feature of the software is not working and there is no support or whatsoever

Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. Can not reproduce your issue. Start11 V2 1.02 run fine on my Windows 11 refer screenshot below.

Let's try to see how to resolve your issue. First, please try this, uninstall Start11, reboot immediately. Re-download latest Start11 V2 1.02. Install it, reboot again, and report back. Also you have any other 3rd party application installed on your system that might interfere with Start11 such as ExplorerPatcher, StartallBack etc?

Thanks
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

"Show Hidden Items List" option not working on Version 2.0 BETA 1.02 when using the "Windows App style" or "Windows 10 style"

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