Start11 1.36 Beta Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 1.36 beta release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and link included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 1.36 is a culmination of many prior betas. 

Start11 1.36 Changelog

  • Fixed an issue with OS MinWidth entry for taskbar having bad data causing very small taskbar buttons

Start11 1.35 Changelog

  • Fixed a crash possibility for Windows 10 style when dragging an icon from the left to the right if no groups to place it in existed.
    Credit: Naxterra for the heads up: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1811010/discussions/0/3598968030053576538/
  • Further WB compatibility tweaks:
    • Fix when the skin not working correctly with the Win10/Win11 styles when not offset from the taskbar.
    • Fixes issues with WB skins with animated start menus
    • Fixes an off-by-1 clipping issue on custom images for shortcuts when in Win10 style
    • Fixes two-row taskbar with WB not being right on Win11

Start11 1.34 Changelog

Start11 1.33 Changelog

  • Updated version to 1.33
  • Compatibility fixes for WindowBlinds 11

Start11 1.32 Changelog

  • Addressed remaining conditions where taskbar thumbnail images could be misaligned. 
  • Resolved an issue with the taskbar not being able to be resized on 22H2 sometimes
  • Resolved an issue with small taskbar and the system tray icons being cut to one row vs two on 22H2 when using enhanced taskbar with a one-row taskbar
  • Optimized Start11 startup
  • Resolved an issue with the system tray icons on 22H2 in rare circumstances not repainting the background under them / under the network+sound icons
  • Resolved an issue with dragging taskbar buttons where if you left the taskbar area then it would jump between insertion points and not allow any drag to be successful
  • Fixes https://forums.stardock.com/515349 and a resource leak found when using with WB11
  • Tweaked engage Cortana mode to resolve a potential issue with it not always engaging if you opened Cortana just before the start menu
  • Changed Win11 menu so if you disable Start11 search the search field will disappear by default but will respect the option to show/hide the field too
  • Tweak for Search mode in Win7 skins to be light mode
  • Change to Start11 running to hopefully workaround some PowerShell issues on shutdown for some users in edge cases.
    This change will potentially impact support for third-party apps which can launch Start11 such as DisplayFusion. It should detect this correctly but if not adding a registry key of type string with value "1" called AllowThirdPartyTaskbars to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8 should revert to the old system.
  • Fixed issue with recolored start menu textures using OS accent color not refreshing on color change
  • Icon overflow (hidden icons) with new Win11 taskbar (insider dev/beta) now shows correctly when the taskbar is at the top of the screen.
  • Added support for setting the taskbar button size (unless there is insufficient room) when allowing Start11 to enhance the taskbar via the OS regkey MinWidth stored at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics Unlike on Win10, this will scale for dpi correctly allowing consistency over multiple monitors with different scale factors.
  • Tweaked sign-out / shutdown menus when in Dark taskbar mode to use a dark menu rather than light.
  • Tweak to resolve an issue with the line on the taskbar in 22H2 being too transparent when in dark mode
  • Tweaked default taskbar transparency on Win11 22H2 when in dark mode as slightly too solid by default
  • Resolved crash changing custom icon for a tile in Win10 menu (or custom image on Win11 menu) if you move the mouse over the menu whilst picking
  • Fixed an issue with excessive titlebar caption changes in apps triggering excessive refreshes of the taskbar causing a lag issue on the taskbar with enhanced taskbar enabled.
  • Resolved crash issue when searching for more than 31 chars in a single word
  • Dragging two or more items into a Win11 group in the menu no longer causes a resort to put the newest one to the far left
  • Resolved issue with progress bars on combined taskbar buttons not always showing correctly
  • Resolved issue with some pinned shortcuts (imported from the OS menu) not showing the jump lists on right-click in Win10/11 menu mode
  • Resolved issue with being unable to pin steam apps to win7/modern menu from search
  • Taskbar search mini preview should reposition itself correctly after a brief pause on the initial show when using centered taskbar mode on 22H2
  • WB skins should now support blur on the background of the startmenu (Win7/modern). May require WB 11 beta 2
  • Win10/11 style all programs list now respects icon set for folders vs using a default icon
  • Taskbar thumbnail popup window will no longer go partially offscreen with a very large number of windows owned by a single app when using enhanced taskbar on Windows 11
  • Tweak to thumbnail popup window positioning when in center mode with enhanced taskbar
  • Resolved issue with not being able to right-click on the first 50 pixels of the taskbar when in center mode with enhanced taskbar in Win11
  • Fixed issue with double animation with WFX start menu animations enabled (To use you MUST disable the Start11 animation in Start11 first)
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Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

  • TBD
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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

***Reserved***

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 1

Win10/11 style all programs list now respects icon set for folders vs using a default icon

Thank you for this fix!

This is a much cleaner look now.

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

So, was anything found as to why several startup apps, including CursorFX, fail to auto start if I use both WB11 and Start11?

I haven't loaded this version yet, so I don't know if the explorer crashes are fixed.

 

RedneckDude...

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Sorry about the wrong login.

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PuterDudeJim, reply 5

I haven't loaded this version yet, so I don't know if the explorer crashes are fixed.

There were a few test run to see that all was ironed out.

Install and please let us know what you see, please.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Working well so far. 2 things I would still like to see

  • Swap mouse wheel action option
  • Better alignment for hidden icon label items

 

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 7


Quoting PuterDudeJim,
reply 5

I haven't loaded this version yet, so I don't know if the explorer crashes are fixed.



There were a few test run to see that all was ironed out.

Install and please let us know what you see, please.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Ok, no crashing, but the several apps are not running at startup again.

Razer Synapse, CursorFX, Messenger, O&O System Information, Windows Widget Launcher, and Skype.

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

Installed Start11, rebooted. Startup apps not running.  Rebooted, startup apps still not running.  

Uninstalled Start11, rebooted, startup apps are back.

Goodbye Start11.

 

I'll try you again down the road.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

This version is much better than version 1.31. Just the System Tray is still clipped a bit. Probably the location services notification has a role in clipping the Tray icons. The Task Manager icon in the picture is clipped. 

 

I am running Windows 11 22H2, full updated. 

Thanks,

    Michele

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

In general I have no problem with this line at the top of the Taskbar, since it's an intended new Windows 11 feature. Personally I have a dark solid colored background and with my color settings this line is actually dark and not bright, so you don't really see it, because it's almost the same dark color.
However there is this glitch in latest Windows 11 Build in combination with Start11 causing the behaviour that suddenly a part of this line doesn't react to the chosen color theme and doesn't update automatically - the result then: line is divided vertically into 2 parts with different colors and this looks absolutely wrong.
This could happen after boot/reboot/after returning from a fullscreen game or app. Any Windows Explorer Refresh can reset it to the correct appearance.
It looks like that with latest Windows 11 22 H2:

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Is there a better way to get notices of betas besides checking the forums? It would be nice if you could have a check mark on the update screen to notified of new betas.

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

It's nice to have WinFX working on the StartMenu again, thanks. B)  

Reply #17 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I do love WinFX but I'll have to wait on Start11. It just doesn't work well for me.

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

"Added support for setting the taskbar button size (unless there is insufficient room) "


How Do I PLEASE get rid of this and why is ist forced on us automatically? I do not want the whole taskbar filled, if not neccessary.

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting c242, reply 18

"Added support for setting the taskbar button size (unless there is insufficient room) "


How Do I PLEASE get rid of this and why is ist forced on us automatically? I do not want the whole taskbar filled, if not neccessary.

I think you have misunderstood it.

That is a setting to change the default width if you wish.  It does not alter things unless you define the registry key.

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Ryderjj1989, reply 20

I wanted to bump this here that I reported on 1.31. No one responded to it or acknowledged it so not sure if you need more info.

https://forums.stardock.com/515024/page/2/#3867802

Hello,
Sorry to hear you are having issues. Please try uninstall, reboot immediately after, reinstall, reboot again. Retest it and report back.

Thanks
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 19


Quoting c242,
reply 18

"Added support for setting the taskbar button size (unless there is insufficient room) "


How Do I PLEASE get rid of this and why is ist forced on us automatically? I do not want the whole taskbar filled, if not neccessary.



I think you have misunderstood it.

That is a setting to change the default width if you wish.  It does not alter things unless you define the registry key.



Okay. But what is causing this behaviour? Tasks are stretching now.

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting c242, reply 22


Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 19






Quoting c242,

reply 18


"Added support for setting the taskbar button size (unless there is insufficient room) "


How Do I PLEASE get rid of this and why is ist forced on us automatically? I do not want the whole taskbar filled, if not neccessary.



I think you have misunderstood it.

That is a setting to change the default width if you wish.  It does not alter things unless you define the registry key.



Okay. But what is causing this behaviour? Tasks are stretching now.

Reduced 45%
Original 1824 x 51


If you look in the registry, do you have the key mentioned as that would be one reason why?

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Thanks. :-) I have no clue how the reg entry got there, but after renaming it everything is as usual.