Quoting DrJBHL, reply 45

Quoting adni18,

reply 43

I really do not understand, where does the conclusion come from that because the Microsoft 365 (aka Office) needs payment, the same will happen with Windows 11, you don't think that this conclusion is at least arbitrary ..   

Hi, Nikos. Good to see you.

I don't think that you'll have to pay for W11 per se. W11 is a firm step towards WaaS (Windows as a Service) where your OS will not be under your control and will basically reside mostly in the cloud. In other words, the OS and apps will reside in the Cloud and you'll pay for them monthly or yearly sort of like Adobe's Creative Cloud. Take a look at the two articles in the OP, this one first https://www.computerworld.com/article/3652612/windows-11-the-end-of-the-old-school-windows-desktop.html

 

Thank you Seth for your explanation, but if this becomes a reality, then I am sure that new good alternatives will emerge, as always happens in such cases.

Once an OS stops being messed with by MS directly there's no changes to it requiring compensation with new drivers.  Once a system is working it can stay that way until the cows come home.  Driver Booster still finds updates from time to time, and providing they didn't 'just' come out yesterday I usually apply them, but I learned decades ago never to use the 'newest' Video driver....not until its inherent bugs were resolved....so I was always several months behind.

Bottom line is....MS might give up on 7, but there's quite a few people who won't....;)

You're welcome, old friend. Yes, probably other OSs.

Hi Jafo hope you are well.

Surely running a Computer until the cows come home is not the best way forward, all systems slow over time due to numerous issues (nothing runs perfectly for ever). Driver support does end, i thought all Vendors stop releasing or supporting older OSs like Win7.

My Graphics card is Nvidia, always bought there cards, even got a new update 30 minutes ago, too old for Gaming. I seem to be lucky with there drivers, never had 1 single issue with an update from Nvidia, or maybe i have not been effected as i do not Game.

Red, please read this article. The MS store has nothing to do with this.

What OS are you on Red. I always go direct to NVidias website, you should be able to stop Windows update from offering updates for other things like GPU Drivers, on Win 11 in update settings, click Advanced Options and move the slider to off, then you can pick and choose when you update.

Depending on which OS you are on...Google methods of 'blocking' updates.  I managed so well on Terry's machine [Win 10] it never came good again.  Even a deliberate re-install over was a no-go.

Ended up as a full reformat.  I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit....only way to be sure....;)

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Depending on which OS you are on...Google methods of 'blocking' updates.  I managed so well on Terry's machine [Win 10] it never came good again.  Even a deliberate re-install over was a no-go.

Ended up as a full reformat.  I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit....only way to be sure....

Just as there are many tools on the net to stop Ms taking our data, there are also loads of apps that can switch off updates in all recent OSs. Most are just one click on and one click off, but switching off updates can be a bad idea as security patches will not get through, i use these more as a temp tool for convenience

OOSU

Stop Updates

Stop Win Updates  (I know , they are really called this and put on the market, Idiot Proof maybe in the name).

Brilliant Movie Jafo, i have created a Fantastic 1080p X265 from a Blu Ray Disc in my collection, it is crisp and clear for an 80s movie, you get to see a lot more of those darker scenes as i have used some filters during the conversion.

Google gave me an option to go to advanced system settings and check the box below, but it hasn't worked.

Sorry, I guess this is off topic. I'll take it elsewhere if I need more info.

My thread, my rules.

You're fine here, Jim. Set a while. You're not hijacking.

Using 0patch is well & good for personal/individual situations but it gets a little hairier when part of a corporate environment requiring adherence to certain security standards.  At present, for instance, if an application or OS is not HIPAA compliant and is used for medical applications, the user could be subject to major fines and exclusion from participation in Medicare.  Once MS stops officially providing security updates (OS is at EOL), it is no longer HIPAA compliant and I don't think "I used 0patch" will cut it in court.

Actually I do believe the two are intertwined here.

This also ties into my biggest complaint about Windows 11 and what brought me to start 11 in the first place. Windows 11's start menu.

The worst feature in Windows 11 is the FORCED recommendations section. If it is turned off then half the start menu is blank reminding the user that it needs turned back on. Why, because the recommendations are meant to be Microsoft ads for the Microsoft Store (i.e. needing your info). Microsoft was sneaky here because if a user turns it off it looks like a needed feature was turned off and annoys the user to turn it back on.

I do forget about this annoyance since it is fixed with start 11, but if ever there was an example of Microsoft using Windows 11 as a money making service it is with their start menu recommendation area. I know I shouldn't get too comfortable because ads are also being contemplated in Windows 11's explorer in future updates.

I suppose we may need to ask Neil to implement a custom file explorer now in start 11 version 1.3. jk  

Just the beginning. Be patient. So much more goodness coming. You think turning the OS into their store (or anyone else's if the price is met) is the end of it? 

Again I'll ask you, what's more profitable: Giving you a free OS with the OEM buying it from MS and including the cost (plus profit) with the computer, or renting you the OS? Think Adobe. Once upon a time they sold Photoshop by version. Then came CS (creative suite) with many apps together which cost a bundle and whose "work arounds" were various warez , and now CC (creative cloud) with its rental on-off switch. Which was more profitable? 

Strictly from a profit standpoint, it would be dangerous to fumble. Windows Vista / Windows 8 are not that far removed from Microsoft history. Windows 11 may not be meant to be 100 percent free, hence the advertising and subscriptions. But every bad Microsoft OS has historically been skipped completely by users. Windows 7 can still be an option for some. So there is a careful line Microsoft needs to walk down and that is why their profiteering is more subtle. They need their OS to be a success.

Yes...so it's going to be a pain in the arse when MS moves the goal posts and forces people into a subscription basis...and businesses cannot choose an out.

The only option is to kick back hard and loud....but MS is bound to be somewhere between deaf, indifferent and brain dead...;)

And here it is...my AbacusOS UEFI TP2 Lake Tahoe Raspberry to M$:

If nothing else. This is a true statement.

That's probably correct, especially since they're after your money from the go.

I'd question whether W11 is HIPAA compliant...it has at least as many holes as a Swiss cheese...after all, MS's OS's are being security patched all the time. I never looked into it, but there are probably more HIPAA compliant OSs than MS's, although I could be wrong about that.

Yes, one of my favourites.  Intelligent S/F for adults is where I am at,...not Star Wars for rugrats...;)

Seeing as i have a 30TB Collection, Star Wars in there Jafo   

I like lots of different types of Movies and TV shows, from Zombies Like Kingdom and The Walking Dead, through Sci Fi, some comedy and bit's and bobs.

Seeing as a Computer can be used for so much more than just MS products, the idea of Win 11 becoming a Daas does not sit right in my head, not ever app and program used by peeps will have a MS store release, i think we will all have to continue to watch the news Boards, maybe the easiest fix at this time could be to set up with an MS account, then create another and giving it Admin privileges, then delete the original, all done through CMD ran as administrator.

Actually, a step on the way to WaaS: Windows as a service.

Hi Doc.

I just do not see Windows as a service working for all users and the way they use there machines. Computers can do so much and are used in very different ways. If this is the future of Windows, i think it will be a massive shot in the foot for MS. This kind of model change is so alien to what it has been before. I am watching some of the better conversations on Reddit and fixes and workarounds are already in place, more to come. Like i have said previously, i am not really worried and will find a path to negate this. Lots of the convos i am part of, mostly dismiss this(some do not hence the possible fixes) as Win10 was originally meant to be the last, there was talk about it being a Waas , then all change again and Win 11 is here. The big thing we all know is MS lies, i would not be surprised if this does not come to pass and MS just Ramp up the Data stealing in more ways, again this has so many apps and stuff on the net to reverse this, no matter what happens with the future of Win 11 and maybe 12, there will always be ways and means of peeps using there computers how they want and not what MS wants.

We all know MS has shot themselves in the foot before, trying to push something radical on us and back tracked.

I'll forgive you....just don't make me watch any of the crap if I were ever to visit...;)

Zombie stuff is much more 'fun'.  Check out the UK 6 parter....'Zombie Boat'...;)