Start11 1.2 Release Feedback Thread

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With the Start 1.2 release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining Start11 1.2

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Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and links included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

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Start11 1.2 Changelog

Start11 1.2 is a culmination of prior incremental releases.

Start11 1.2 Changelog

04/04/2022

  • Added option to disable taskbar animations
  • Fixed issue with hide text on taskbar buttons making taskbar buttons wider with no text when buttons with text wouldn't fit in the space provided
  • Fixed issue with multiline scrolling indicator not painting correctly
  • Enabled clicking above/below scrolling indicator on taskbar scrolls the taskbar rather than forcing dragging of the bar
  • Fixed issue with Win+number hotkeys not opening the right app sometimes
  • Ctrl + clicking grouped taskbar button now cycles through the open windows
  • Tweaks to handle tooltips better when taskbar is at the top of the screen and in autohide mode
  • Fixed issue with primary monitor to right of secondary causing a problem with taskbar interactions
  • Fixed issue with clicking very bottom of top aligned / top of bottom aligned taskbar causing virtual desktops to open
  • Fixed issue with not grouping accent versions of A, E, I, O etc with A, E, I, O on Win10/11 style All apps
  • On Beta/Dev build version of Windows 11 now forces background colour under start button when not using Start11 taskbar
  • Added right click option to create shortcut on desktop
  • Expanded room for on/off label on start menu page

Start11 1.19 Changelog

04/01/2022
  • Added default icon if exe lacks one (winver.exe)
  • Fixes issue with some popups (Groupy message boxes for example) using the wrong icon
  • Fixed issue with minimizing a window animating to the left-hand side rather than the middle when centered
  • Fixed issue with sniping tool sometimes showing a redundant window on the taskbar
  • Fixed issue with Touch and pen input on taskbar not responding correctly or triggering explorer crashes
  • Fixed issue with clicking at the bottom of the screen not triggering the taskbar buttons of the bottom row if there is no gap
  • Fixed issue with unexpected taskbar buttons showing on some machines when the Windows 11 start menu or search were opened
  • Long touch click with touch on a taskbar button no longer triggers it but shows right-click menu after you release
  • Fixed issue with hung apps sometimes getting two taskbar buttons
  • Hung apps now correctly retain focus when active on the taskbar
  • Shift + click on a hung app now shows the correct context menu
  • Fixed issue with turning on the enhanced taskbar feature on Windows 11 for the first time not always showing all open windows / also after an explorer restart
  • Fixed issue with icon sizes in groups on Windows 11 when you use the hide caption option and you have icons that have tile images
  • User-defined custom tiles in Win11 mode now size themselves to the icon size to maintain consistency
  • Hide caption text option hidden when the item is in a group that has already hidden the caption text
  • Fixed issue with explorer on Windows 10 crashing out on login and thus not starting all the autostart apps, later restarts were ok
  • Tweaked group vertical spacing when hide caption text is enabled on a group (Win11 style)
  • Tweaked Win11 group spacing with caption text too
  • Tweak to monitoring OS pinned items to handle newer OSes
  • Tweak to popup menus so clicking in the shadow area closes the popup
03/29/2022
  • Added default icon if exe lacks one (winver.exe)Fixes issue with some popups (Groupy message boxes for example) using wrong icon
  • Fixed issue with minimizing a window animating to the left-hand side rather than the middle
  • Fixed issue with sniping tool sometimes showing a redundant window on the taskbar"
Start11 1.18 Changelog
3/28/2022
  • Windows 10 style shutdown menu now aligned above button rather than to the right
  • Added delete group prompt when you are using Windows 11 style menu too rather than just Windows 10
  • Fixed issue with text background colour on delete page / group prompt when in dark mode
  • Fixed issue with delete prompts causing the menu to close
  • Tweak to mouse click detection when moving off the right hand side of a multiple monitor taskbar
  • Tweak for loading up icons for PWA when running
  • Fixed issue with tooltips on taskbar items being incorrect sometimes briefly
  • Fixed issue with too dark edges on some universal app icons
  • Tiles images when in Windows 11 mode will now appear smaller unless hide caption is enabled to avoid overlap issues
  • Fixed right click menu selection image being too light in Dark Mode for some menus
  • Now respects OS setting for hide icon badges and flashing
  • Fixed issue with Messenger icon appearing smaller than expected
  • Fixed issue with unexpected truncation of long single words in Win10 style. These will now wrap
3/25/2022
  • Added Mica background effect to config window when used on Windows 11 current beta / dev or above
  • Elevated apps can now be minimized by clicking their button on the taskbar
  • Fixed issue with taskbar at the top on original Windows 11 (non beta/dev channel) causing maximized windows to appear under it
  • Fixed issue with automatic taskbar color when on dev/beta channel Win11 and enhanced taskbar enabled.
  • Fixed issue with taskbar not appearing on top of always on top fullscreen applications when the start button is pressed when enhance taskbar is enabled on Windows 11.
  • Fixed issue with delay to closing Task Manager in Windows 10
Start11 1.17 Changelog
 
03/24/2022
  • On Win11 dev / beta channel (current) it now disables taskbar transparency settings and adds warnings about some taskbar features (blur, colour, texture) to indicate they do not work correctly on that build of Windows. Also small taskbar mode only works if you enable Start11 enhancing the taskbar on those builds.
03/23/2022
  • Fixes for run dialog not having an icon in some versions of Windows
  • Fix for non-English installs of Windows having the quick settings popup clipped when taskbar is at the top
  • Fix for scrolling taskbar not painting a taskbar texture under the scrollbar
  • Fix for taskbar at top in later Windows versions ending up on top of maximized windows if one row high
  • Fix for clicking on the taskbar when at top opening start menu in any blank space
03/22/2022
  • Fixed issue with Turn Windows features on and off in search linking to missing file on non-server editions of Windows
  • Fixed issue with position of Win+N window appearing offset sometimes
  • 'Sometimes' taskbar mode now switches to collapsing items with multiple taskbar buttons into one before it switches to collapsing all when there is insufficient space
03/21/2022
  • Menus are now white in light mode
  • Folders can now have a custom image
  • A-Z sort option added for Win11 groups (does a sort, new items added to end as usual)
  • Custom tiles now can have a custom background color if they use transparency
  • Shutdown button on win7/modern style no longer breaks transparency
  • New labels are no longer shown on Win10/11 menus when you disable showing recently installed apps on that list
  • Taskbar shortcut icons should better respect custom icons now
  • Taskbar should launch correct shortcut on middle click / click of pinned item now
  • Refresh rate detection code tweaked to handle multiple monitor setups better
03/18/2022
  • This fixes an issue with taskbar drag being too sensitive and getting stuck sometimes
  • Fixed an issue with explorer hanging if you had multiple monitors but set windows to only show one taskbar
  • Tweaked touch support
  • Fixed issue with loading up UWA app icons on the taskbar sometimes loading too small an icon
  • Fixed issue with center horz on the taskbar sometimes causing a second row when not needed
  • Fixed issue with calculating how many rows needed being wrong when changed font size on taskbar
  • Config UI now shows disabled center start button option when in S11 taskbar mode to make it clearer that it is disabled
03/17/2022
  • Internal version number changed to 1.17
  • Changes: Fixes jumplist going offscreen sometimes
  • Fixes issue with custom start button and enhanced taskbar getting clipped
  • Fixed right-click menu on taskbar on Win10 would use wrong scale factor sometimes
  • Adds in icons for shutdown/sign out menus
  • Clicking a pinned item when the app is running but on another monitor will now launch a new instance
  • Middle-click on explorer will now launch a new instance
  • The Calendar popup should be working reliably again
  • New option to hide taskbar text whilst still being ungrouped
  • New option to control font size on taskbar buttons
  • Fixed issue with small taskbar having clock offset vertically
  • Added option to hide tile text in Win10 menu regardless of having a tile image set
  • Added option to never load the app provided tile image for a tile
  • Fixed an issue with the taskbar not showing all items when the vertically centre mode wasn't enabled
  • Fixed taskbar insert indicator so it paints when you go to the far end
  • Fixed taskbar dragging when in combine mode so the icon paints consistently when dragged
  • Fixed issue with taskbar when running tiles so a gap isn't left
  • Fixed issue with taskbar picking up wrong scale factor and wrong position after a screen res change sometimes
  • Fixed missing icon for some pinned web apps

Start11 1.16 Changelog

03/15/22
  • This fixes a GDI resource leak
  • Fixes overlay icons on the taskbar buttons not working (like email count)
  • Fixes a problem with resizing the menu causing the taskbar to resize
  • Fixes a problem with the animation code which might be why the blur paints top of the screen on occasion for some people
  • Fixes combine mode so when clicking on a group it doesn't simply launch another copy of the app if you have > 1 window open of that app
03/14/22
  • Fixes for an issue with the taskbar not repositioning correctly when res changes
  • Fixes issue with the taskbar not responding when changing scale factor on the primary display
  • Fixes issue with clock shifting to the left of the secondary taskbar sometimes
  • Adds in support for turning ON taskbar feature without an explorer restart (off still needs a restart of explorer) and UI now offers to turn it on for first run. 
  • Config UI adds in setting for stopping highlighting new apps for Win7/10 style as this went missing in S11
  • ​Adds setting cog on the main page for configure menu as this was missing and buy Start11 option shows in config when not activated. 
03/12/22
  • Version updated to 1.16
  • Mis position of Win+X menu, missing icon for grouped steam when > 1 window open
  • Two taskbar buttons for some apps (adobe acrobat)
  • Click on a taskbar button doesn't minimize an app (some delphi apps)

Start11 1.15 Changelog

  • New option to let Start11 manage the Taskbar - found under Taskbar settings.
  • This build contains a new taskbar experience that allows for items to be ungrouped on Windows 11 only. The setting is under Taskbar with three options to combine - Always, Sometimes, and Never
  • There are additional options under "More Start11 taskbar settings" that let the user define additional options that are also new in this build.
  • New Start11 menu selection experience.
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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

With the release of Start11 1.22, we are closing this thread.

Thanks to all that took the time to provide feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

 

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

As I upgraded from version 1.1 to 1.12 it was unpossible to administer the taskbar configuration due to an error message, like 'you already have something else managing...' I did not found any way to shut down this message. How can I avoid this error message?

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Dieter42, reply 4

As I upgraded from version 1.1 to 1.12 it was unpossible to administer the taskbar configuration due to an error message, like 'you already have something else managing...' I did not found any way to shut down this message. How can I avoid this error message?




You would need to disable whatever tool you are using which has enabled a Windows 10 style taskbar on Windows 11.

If you keep whatever it is enabled then you cannot enable the enhanced taskbar features of Start11 as they are designed to work on the Windows 11 taskbar,

All the existing features of Start11 1.1 you had continue to work, this only impacts the new ungrouping features of Start11 1.2.

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

I have three monitors in a 3-1-2 orientation, and screen 3 (far left) is vertical.

On that screen, the portion of the taskbar that shows apps is only about 33% of the space it should normally be:

On this screen, I currently have about 10 windows open, but the taskbar only shows 2.5, and then another 2.5 when the taskbar is scrolled.

 

I also notice:

- pop-up controls, like in Spotify where the pause button shows by hovering the app's taskbar icon - those don't appear.

- The section of the main taskbar at the very far-right that minimizes all windows - is also not present.

- clicking the clock sometimes works, and sometimes does nothing (both right and left click).  at times, it works on one screen and not the others.

 

 

Screens are all 100% scale, 1920x1080 (Recommended) [ with one being 1080x1920 (Recommended) ].

Windows 11 Home, Version 21H2, build 22000.593, experience pack 1000.22000.593.0

 

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting dsandbrand, reply 6

I have three monitors in a 3-1-2 orientation, and screen 3 (far left) is vertical.

On that screen, the portion of the taskbar that shows apps is only about 33% of the space it should normally be:

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On this screen, I currently have about 10 windows open, but the taskbar only shows 2.5, and then another 2.5 when the taskbar is scrolled.
 

 

I have this issue too. Plenty of room left on the taskbar.

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting vincentw, reply 7


Quoting dsandbrand,
reply 6

I have three monitors in a 3-1-2 orientation, and screen 3 (far left) is vertical.

On that screen, the portion of the taskbar that shows apps is only about 33% of the space it should normally be:




Reduced 77%


Original 1087 x 70



On this screen, I currently have about 10 windows open, but the taskbar only shows 2.5, and then another 2.5 when the taskbar is scrolled.
 



 

I have this issue too. Plenty of room left on the taskbar.

What is your screen setup?

Also are you 100% sure you have 1.2 and not a prior beta installed?

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Hello!

I have updated to Start11 v 1.2, OS Windows 11 21H2, 22000.593.

Whe I enable taskbar enhance option and try to horizontally center taskbar icons, Start icon (with search, tash view,...) stays on the left. I have tried ForceMiddleMenu registry option but it does not help. Below are two images of the problem. Thank you for you help in advance.

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting kurci2, reply 9

Hello!

I have updated to Start11 v 1.2, OS Windows 11 21H2, 22000.593.

Whe I enable taskbar enhance option and try to horizontally center taskbar icons, Start icon (with search, tash view,...) stays on the left. I have tried ForceMiddleMenu registry option but it does not help. Below are two images of the problem. Thank you for you help in advance.

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This is normal.  If you use the enhanced taskbar setting you cannot centre the start button.  You can centre the pinned / running task taskbar buttons but not the start button and search, taskview, and teams buttons.

In the configuration screen on the taskbar page and on the start button page the option to centre the start button is greyed out and it notes under it that this is not supported with enhanced taskbar being enabled.

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 8


Quoting vincentw,
reply 7






Quoting dsandbrand,

reply 6


I have three monitors in a 3-1-2 orientation, and screen 3 (far left) is vertical.

On that screen, the portion of the taskbar that shows apps is only about 33% of the space it should normally be:






Reduced 77%






Original 1087 x 70




On this screen, I currently have about 10 windows open, but the taskbar only shows 2.5, and then another 2.5 when the taskbar is scrolled.
 




 

I have this issue too. Plenty of room left on the taskbar.



What is your screen setup?

Also are you 100% sure you have 1.2 and not a prior beta installed?

I have a single laptop screen 3840x2400 225% scale. And yes, I am sure. I tested it after installing the release. But, I just tested it again and now it is working just fine.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting vincentw, reply 11

But, I just tested it again and now it is working just fine.

Tested post a reboot or just tested again without?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 10


Quoting kurci2,
reply 9

Hello!

I have updated to Start11 v 1.2, OS Windows 11 21H2, 22000.593.

Whe I enable taskbar enhance option and try to horizontally center taskbar icons, Start icon (with search, tash view,...) stays on the left. I have tried ForceMiddleMenu registry option but it does not help. Below are two images of the problem. Thank you for you help in advance.




Reduced 84%


Original 950 x 369






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Original 948 x 370





This is normal.  If you use the enhanced taskbar setting you cannot centre the start button.  You can centre the pinned / running task taskbar buttons but not the start button and search, taskview, and teams buttons.

In the configuration screen on the taskbar page and on the start button page the option to centre the start button is greyed out and it notes under it that this is not supported with enhanced taskbar being enabled.

Thank you for your reply. Do you plan to support that in any future version or is it technically not possible? Thank you for great software and customer support.

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Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Thank you Neil and your team. You have done a great job in making the Windows 11 experience better. I am counting around 5 months of development on Start 11 which is a lot of commitment. It has been fun watching this program grow and develop over the months and it is going to be weird not leaving feedback and anticipating updates to develop it further. I expect there will still be an update in May once Microsoft releases its annual update but it looks like in large this is a completed project.

I am curious on what you plan on working on next?

 

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Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Hi all,

I'm running Windows 10 21H2 Build 19044.1620 and Start11 1.2 - I have three monitors at 1920x1080.  Everything was running fine when WindowBlinds was installed but when I uninstalled it the position of the start button/menu will not center on my second monitor.

I can toggle the settings in the Start11 config and monitors one and three respond.  System has been rebooted/shutdown several times and the software reinstalled as well.

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

I too would like to have the possibility to put the central start with the icons of the open programs so large that you can immediately understand which programs are open ..

But by activating that option the start does not move from the left :(

a real shame ... having a 21: 9 monitor I no longer find myself having the start on the left

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 12


Quoting vincentw,
reply 11

But, I just tested it again and now it is working just fine.



Tested post a reboot or just tested again without?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

I rebooted after I installed 1.2 release. Then while I was working, I opened a couple of programs and that's when it happened. After I got the response, I tested it again to provide a screenshot and it worked fine.

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

 

After installing v1.2:

 

- start menu not responding at all

 

- taskbar with offset from bottom of screen

 

- another addional offset for startmenu button

 

- missing localization almost everywhere

 

- taskbar alignment only left, center position not working anymore

 

 

Start11 is totally screwed up now.

How can you release such crap?!

 

 

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting procurement, reply 18

 

After installing v1.2:

 

- start menu not responding at all

 

- taskbar with offset from bottom of screen

 

- another addional offset for startmenu button

 

- missing localization almost everywhere

 

- taskbar alignment only left, center position not working anymore

 



 

Start11 is totally screwed up now.

How can you release such crap?!

 

 


What version of Windows 11 are you using?

It also looks like you enabled the option to enhance the taskbar?  If so you cannot centre the start button.  This is noted in the UI in multiple places and is not a bug.  If you disable the option to enhance the taskbar then you can put it to the middle as you used to.

Localization is being updated and there will be an update once the new strings have been translated.

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

Sorry to hear you are having trouble.

Quoting procurement, reply 18

After installing v1.2:

Did you reboot after?

Quoting procurement, reply 18

- missing localization almost everywhere

Completing localization was always going to come after the main release.  I will add it to the 'known issues', however.

Quoting procurement, reply 18

Start11 is totally screwed up now.

How can you release such crap?!

As you can see from the changelog, there were several betas over many many weeks - each with its own feedback tread totaling hundreds of responses. What you are experiencing is not typical of any of the later betas. 

What I might recommend is another resinstall \ reboot.  Should that fail, a purge and reinstall.  Note: The latter will remove any and all Start11 settings, including any pinned items you had prior:

Purge \ Reinstall:
https://forums.stardock.com/505872/start11-support-faq#reinstalling

Please let us know how the effort goes.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Congrats on the 1.2 launch! I hope it brings many exactly what they are looking for. I also appreciate the rebuild for better support and working around Microsoft's crazy! Should be worth the effort I think and put you in a great position going forward!

I just wanted to report for my use, I will be holding back at 1.11 so I can keep Quick Launch toolbar support. As soon as that can make it back in with small icon support I would be back. For others who might be in the same boat, I am using Start 11 1.11 with ExplorerPatcher by Valentin-Gabriel Radu with great results, but would love to bring it back "home" to Stardock. I totally understand there are other more important priorities but just wanted to toss in my 2 cents for some feedback. Rock on Stardock crew!

Start 1.11 w/ Explorer Patcher for toolbar support w/ ungrouped buttons

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

I understand that Insider versions are not officially supported, I'm on Windows 11 22H2 22581.200.

Even when on this version expanding the right side of the dock worked, it stopped working around the last 2 versions.

This area can't be interacted at all if I activate "Let Start11 enhance the taskbar", which is a feature that brings back many Windows 10 options that were removed in Windows 11. Everything else works with Start11, I have to turn this function off in order to be able to expand the icons in the area for now.

Again, I understand Insider versions are not a priority but I just wanted to inform you of this issue.

Thanks for the support!

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting MrK420, reply 22

I understand that Insider versions are not officially supported, I'm on Windows 11 22H2 22581.200.

Even when on this version expanding the right side of the dock worked, it stopped working around the last 2 versions.



This area can't be interacted at all if I activate "Let Start11 enhance the taskbar", which is a feature that brings back many Windows 10 options that were removed in Windows 11. Everything else works with Start11, I have to turn this function off in order to be able to expand the icons in the area for now.

Again, I understand Insider versions are not a priority but I just wanted to inform you of this issue.

Thanks for the support!

Did you use previous beta releases of Start11?  If so can you uninstall, REBOOT and reinstall 1.2 as this issue should have been fixed.

Also do you have more than one monitor and if so what is the layout?

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting MrK420, reply 22

I understand that Insider versions are not officially supported, I'm on Windows 11 22H2 22581.200.

This area can't be interacted at all if I activate "Let Start11 enhance the taskbar", which is a feature that brings back many Windows 10 options that were removed in Windows 11. Everything else works with Start11, I have to turn this function off in order to be able to expand the icons in the area for now.

Again, I understand Insider versions are not a priority but I just wanted to inform you of this issue.

Thanks for the support!

Windows can also be updated. Version 22593.1.0 is now available.

The current bugs on the Beta/Dev build are transparency issue's and texture issues in the taskbar. Otherwise the build does work decently with start 11.

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 24


Quoting MrK420,
reply 22

I understand that Insider versions are not officially supported, I'm on Windows 11 22H2 22581.200.

Even when on this version expanding the right side of the dock worked, it stopped working around the last 2 versions.



This area can't be interacted at all if I activate "Let Start11 enhance the taskbar", which is a feature that brings back many Windows 10 options that were removed in Windows 11. Everything else works with Start11, I have to turn this function off in order to be able to expand the icons in the area for now.

Again, I understand Insider versions are not a priority but I just wanted to inform you of this issue.

Thanks for the support!



This should not be the case, I have have the windows 11 beta as well and interaction with the right side of the dock is still functional.

A couple of things you could try.

1. update Windows. Version 22593.1.0 is now available.

2. Uninstall start 11 and then reinstall from the "my download" link on your profile

The current bugs on the Beta/Dev build are transparency issue's and texture issues in the taskbar. Otherwise the build does work decently with start 11.

Thank you very much, I uninstalled/restarted/reinstalled Start11 and now it's working. It didn't occur to me since I've never had any issues while upgrading from a previous version.

Thanks again!