Start11 1.2 RC 1 Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 1.2 RC 1 release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

As we want as much feedback as possible for this release, we are making Start11 1.2 beta available to all.  The following direct link to the installer can be used for both licensed users and for any potential client wanting to (30 day) trial Start11 1.2 beta.

1.16: https://cdn.stardock.us/downloads/public/software/start/Start11_1.16-j140-Setup.exe
1.17: https://cdn.stardock.us/downloads/public/software/start/Start11_1.17-j151-Setup.exe
1.18: https://cdn.stardock.us/downloads/public/software/start/Start11_1.18-j154-Setup.exe
1.19: https://cdn.stardock.us/downloads/public/software/start/Start11_1.19-j155-Setup.exe

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and link included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

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Start11 1.2 RC 1 Changelog

Start11 1.2 Beta is a culmination of prior (and perhaps future) incremental betas.

The installer will read 1.19 on your product page and in Object Desktop Manager which is expected. 

Note: While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta/dev channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect it to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

Start11 1.19 Changelog

04/01/2022
  • Added default icon if exe lacks one (winver.exe)
  • Fixes issue with some popups (Groupy message boxes for example) using the wrong icon
  • Fixed issue with minimizing a window animating to the left-hand side rather than the middle when centered
  • Fixed issue with sniping tool sometimes showing a redundant window on the taskbar
  • Fixed issue with Touch and pen input on taskbar not responding correctly or triggering explorer crashes
  • Fixed issue with clicking at the bottom of the screen not triggering the taskbar buttons of the bottom row if there is no gap
  • Fixed issue with unexpected taskbar buttons showing on some machines when the Windows 11 start menu or search were opened
  • Long touch click with touch on a taskbar button no longer triggers it but shows right-click menu after you release
  • Fixed issue with hung apps sometimes getting two taskbar buttons
  • Hung apps now correctly retain focus when active on the taskbar
  • Shift + click on a hung app now shows the correct context menu
  • Fixed issue with turning on the enhanced taskbar feature on Windows 11 for the first time not always showing all open windows / also after an explorer restart
  • Fixed issue with icon sizes in groups on Windows 11 when you use the hide caption option and you have icons that have tile images
  • User-defined custom tiles in Win11 mode now size themselves to the icon size to maintain consistency
  • Hide caption text option hidden when the item is in a group that has already hidden the caption text
  • Fixed issue with explorer on Windows 10 crashing out on login and thus not starting all the autostart apps, later restarts were ok
  • Tweaked group vertical spacing when hide caption text is enabled on a group (Win11 style)
  • Tweaked Win11 group spacing with caption text too
  • Tweak to monitoring OS pinned items to handle newer OSes
  • Tweak to popup menus so clicking in the shadow area closes the popup
03/29/2022
  • Added default icon if exe lacks one (winver.exe)Fixes issue with some popups (Groupy message boxes for example) using wrong icon
  • Fixed issue with minimizing a window animating to the left-hand side rather than the middle
  • Fixed issue with sniping tool sometimes showing a redundant window on the taskbar"
Start11 1.18 Changelog
3/28/2022
  • Windows 10 style shutdown menu now aligned above button rather than to the right
  • Added delete group prompt when you are using Windows 11 style menu too rather than just Windows 10
  • Fixed issue with text background colour on delete page / group prompt when in dark mode
  • Fixed issue with delete prompts causing the menu to close
  • Tweak to mouse click detection when moving off the right hand side of a multiple monitor taskbar
  • Tweak for loading up icons for PWA when running
  • Fixed issue with tooltips on taskbar items being incorrect sometimes briefly
  • Fixed issue with too dark edges on some universal app icons
  • Tiles images when in Windows 11 mode will now appear smaller unless hide caption is enabled to avoid overlap issues
  • Fixed right click menu selection image being too light in Dark Mode for some menus
  • Now respects OS setting for hide icon badges and flashing
  • Fixed issue with Messenger icon appearing smaller than expected
  • Fixed issue with unexpected truncation of long single words in Win10 style. These will now wrap
3/25/2022
  • Added Mica background effect to config window when used on Windows 11 current beta / dev or above
  • Elevated apps can now be minimized by clicking their button on the taskbar
  • Fixed issue with taskbar at the top on original Windows 11 (non beta/dev channel) causing maximized windows to appear under it
  • Fixed issue with automatic taskbar color when on dev/beta channel Win11 and enhanced taskbar enabled.
  • Fixed issue with taskbar not appearing on top of always on top fullscreen applications when the start button is pressed when enhance taskbar is enabled on Windows 11.
  • Fixed issue with delay to closing Task Manager in Windows 10
Start11 1.17 Changelog
 
03/24/2022
  • On Win11 dev / beta channel (current) it now disables taskbar transparency settings and adds warnings about some taskbar features (blur, colour, texture) to indicate they do not work correctly on that build of Windows. Also small taskbar mode only works if you enable Start11 enhancing the taskbar on those builds.
03/23/2022
  • Fixes for run dialog not having an icon in some versions of Windows
  • Fix for non-English installs of Windows having the quick settings popup clipped when taskbar is at the top
  • Fix for scrolling taskbar not painting a taskbar texture under the scrollbar
  • Fix for taskbar at top in later Windows versions ending up on top of maximized windows if one row high
  • Fix for clicking on the taskbar when at top opening start menu in any blank space
03/22/2022
  • Fixed issue with Turn Windows features on and off in search linking to missing file on non-server editions of Windows
  • Fixed issue with position of Win+N window appearing offset sometimes
  • 'Sometimes' taskbar mode now switches to collapsing items with multiple taskbar buttons into one before it switches to collapsing all when there is insufficient space
03/21/2022
  • Menus are now white in light mode
  • Folders can now have a custom image
  • A-Z sort option added for Win11 groups (does a sort, new items added to end as usual)
  • Custom tiles now can have a custom background color if they use transparency
  • Shutdown button on win7/modern style no longer breaks transparency
  • New labels are no longer shown on Win10/11 menus when you disable showing recently installed apps on that list
  • Taskbar shortcut icons should better respect custom icons now
  • Taskbar should launch correct shortcut on middle click / click of pinned item now
  • Refresh rate detection code tweaked to handle multiple monitor setups better
03/18/2022
  • This fixes an issue with taskbar drag being too sensitive and getting stuck sometimes
  • Fixed an issue with explorer hanging if you had multiple monitors but set windows to only show one taskbar
  • Tweaked touch support
  • Fixed issue with loading up UWA app icons on the taskbar sometimes loading too small an icon
  • Fixed issue with center horz on the taskbar sometimes causing a second row when not needed
  • Fixed issue with calculating how many rows needed being wrong when changed font size on taskbar
  • Config UI now shows disabled center start button option when in S11 taskbar mode to make it clearer that it is disabled
03/17/2022
  • Internal version number changed to 1.17
  • Changes: Fixes jumplist going offscreen sometimes
  • Fixes issue with custom start button and enhanced taskbar getting clipped
  • Fixed right-click menu on taskbar on Win10 would use wrong scale factor sometimes
  • Adds in icons for shutdown/sign out menus
  • Clicking a pinned item when the app is running but on another monitor will now launch a new instance
  • Middle-click on explorer will now launch a new instance
  • The Calendar popup should be working reliably again
  • New option to hide taskbar text whilst still being ungrouped
  • New option to control font size on taskbar buttons
  • Fixed issue with small taskbar having clock offset vertically
  • Added option to hide tile text in Win10 menu regardless of having a tile image set
  • Added option to never load the app provided tile image for a tile
  • Fixed an issue with the taskbar not showing all items when the vertically centre mode wasn't enabled
  • Fixed taskbar insert indicator so it paints when you go to the far end
  • Fixed taskbar dragging when in combine mode so the icon paints consistently when dragged
  • Fixed issue with taskbar when running tiles so a gap isn't left
  • Fixed issue with taskbar picking up wrong scale factor and wrong position after a screen res change sometimes
  • Fixed missing icon for some pinned web apps

Start11 1.16 Changelog

03/15/22
  • This fixes a GDI resource leak
  • Fixes overlay icons on the taskbar buttons not working (like email count)
  • Fixes a problem with resizing the menu causing the taskbar to resize
  • Fixes a problem with the animation code which might be why the blur paints top of the screen on occasion for some people
  • Fixes combine mode so when clicking on a group it doesn't simply launch another copy of the app if you have > 1 window open of that app
03/14/22
  • Fixes for an issue with the taskbar not repositioning correctly when res changes
  • Fixes issue with the taskbar not responding when changing scale factor on the primary display
  • Fixes issue with clock shifting to the left of the secondary taskbar sometimes
  • Adds in support for turning ON taskbar feature without an explorer restart (off still needs a restart of explorer) and UI now offers to turn it on for first run. 
  • Config UI adds in setting for stopping highlighting new apps for Win7/10 style as this went missing in S11
  • ​Adds setting cog on the main page for configure menu as this was missing and buy Start11 option shows in config when not activated. 
03/12/22
  • Version updated to 1.16
  • Mis position of Win+X menu, missing icon for grouped steam when > 1 window open
  • Two taskbar buttons for some apps (adobe acrobat)
  • Click on a taskbar button doesn't minimize an app (some delphi apps)

Start11 1.15 Changelog

  • New option to let Start11 manage the Taskbar - found under Taskbar settings.
  • This build contains a new taskbar experience that allows for items to be ungrouped on Windows 11 only. The setting is under Taskbar with three options to combine - Always, Sometimes, and Never
  • There are additional options under "More Start11 taskbar settings" that let the user define additional options that are also new in this build.
  • New Start11 menu selection experience.
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Known Issues

  • TBD
Elemental: Reforged
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***Reserved***

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

The Windows startup issue is finally fixed!. No more flashing or Explorer crashing on Windows 10.  Great work !!! <3  

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Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Thank you so much for addressing touch support! However I just wanted to check the status of cut off quick settings with the taskbar on the top of the screen. I'm still experiencing this on multiple devices running Start 11 from 1.16 through 1.19. I'm wondering if this will be addressed eventually?

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Question: Is transparency and texture something that Microsoft killed off with their updated taskbar on Windows 11 22581, or is that something that can be fixed at a later date?

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Quoting mackid1993, reply 5

Thank you so much for addressing touch support! However I just wanted to check the status of cut off quick settings with the taskbar on the top of the screen. I'm still experiencing this on multiple devices running Start 11 from 1.16 through 1.19. I'm wondering if this will be addressed eventually?

We cannot reproduce any issues with this which is a problem.

What display language are you using and what version of Windows 11?

Do you have anything else running which might impact the taskbar?

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting qba7353342, reply 6

Question: Is transparency and texture something that Microsoft killed off with their updated taskbar on Windows 11 22581, or is that something that can be fixed at a later date?

It is unknown at this time.  We don't provide official support for Dev/Beta releases of Windows 11 because they are liable to have new 'quirks' but will be investigating a solution but there is no timeframe on this.

I would personally recommend anyone who isn't a dev (who might need to run dev/beta releases of Windows) that they stay well clear of the insider builds of Windows, especially dev channel.

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Quoting alexvojacek, reply 4

The Windows startup issue is finally fixed!. No more flashing or Explorer crashing on Windows 10.  Great work !!! <3  

Yes indeed, I can also report that 1.19 has fixed the Explorer crash on windows 10. Thanks for your diligence. B)  

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Thank you Neil for the response,

I am on beta channel (not crazy enough for dev lol) and we were happily on a 22000.XXX build until MS jumped us to a higher build. 

and sh@t went sideways..lol

 

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Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 7


Quoting mackid1993,
reply 5

Thank you so much for addressing touch support! However I just wanted to check the status of cut off quick settings with the taskbar on the top of the screen. I'm still experiencing this on multiple devices running Start 11 from 1.16 through 1.19. I'm wondering if this will be addressed eventually?



We cannot reproduce any issues with this which is a problem.

What display language are you using and what version of Windows 11?

Do you have anything else running which might impact the taskbar?

I'm running the current public build on Windows 11 and English (US). I'm not running any other taskbar modifications. I have used StartAllBack in the past but that is uninstalled. I have this happening across 3 separate fully updated Windows 11 clients (all public release, nothing in the insider program) including one client that has never had StartAllBack ever installed. It's really strange, I noticed StartAllBack had this problem at one point, but that developer resolved it eventually which tells me it's something with Windows. I've also seen a few other comments on the forums here about others having this exact problem so I know it isn't something with my configuration.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

The only issue I have noticed is that in Windows 11 theme custom tiles now take up very little of the actual tile. Anything set to large or smaller now looks quite small and overly spaced out because the tile size is much larger then the tile icons. This is especially apparent when "hide captions" is selected but still apparent to a degree when captions are present

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 12

The only issue I have noticed is that in Windows 11 theme; custom tiles now take up very little of the actual tile. Anything set to large or smaller now looks quite small and overly spaced out because the tile size is much larger then the tile icons. This is especially apparent when "hide captions" is selected but still apparent to a degree when captions are present

This is normal.  Custom tiles are now set to the icon size so they match visually.  It was a bug before that they were larger as they could overlap the text.

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Quoting Neil, reply 13


Quoting PhoenixRising1,
reply 12

The only issue I have noticed is that in Windows 11 theme; custom tiles now take up very little of the actual tile. Anything set to large or smaller now looks quite small and overly spaced out because the tile size is much larger then the tile icons. This is especially apparent when "hide captions" is selected but still apparent to a degree when captions are present



This is normal.  Custom tiles are now set to the icon size so they match visually.  It was a bug before that they were larger as they could overlap the text.

OK I understand what you are getting at. Perhaps, if the icons were spaced a bit closer together and didn't appear so far away from one another then I would find it more visually appealing.

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Quoting mackid1993, reply 11

I'm running the current public build on Windows 11 and English (US). I'm not running any other taskbar modifications. I have used StartAllBack in the past but that is uninstalled. I have this happening across 3 separate fully updated Windows 11 clients (all public release, nothing in the insider program) including one client that has never had StartAllBack ever installed. It's really strange, I noticed StartAllBack had this problem at one point, but that developer resolved it eventually which tells me it's something with Windows. I've also seen a few other comments on the forums here about others having this exact problem so I know it isn't something with my configuration.

Can you post a current video showing winver.exe result, Start11 About tab, and this happening? It's not that we don't believe, it's for archival \ bug reporting.

Also, are you able to reproduce the issue at other (lower perhaps) resolutions \ DPI settings?

I gather you are not using other monitor software like DisplayFusion (or ever have) on these boxes?

Thanks for the feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

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I've had this happen on three separate machines some including my surface pro 7 as well as monitors using 100% dpi and 1920x1080 resolution. I've included a screenshot below. This was taken on a 1080p monitor at 100% dpi. Is a video necessary? I've never used display fusion or anything like it.

 

 

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When show a buttons peek thumbnail clicking on the taskbar button to restore the window causes the preview to move far left then vanish. It happens no matter center or left aligned.

Reproduce.

1. Minimize a window

2. Hover the button until peek displays. 

3. Click button to restore window.

Does not do it if you restore via clicking the thumbnail.

 

Also thumbnail content is still missing in some windows that are minimized. Namely the Start11 Config window.

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Also icons that have captions turned off are misaligned. 

 

Also can we get the same "Open file location" behaviour in the Win11 style as with the Win7 style? In win7 style it opens to the links target but in win11 style it opens the start menu folder to the .lnk file

 

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Quoting OwenBurnett, reply 19

Is it possible to disable the slide in animation on the task bar of new buttons?

Just the slide in, or all the animations on the taskbar buttons?

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Any chance to make the taskbar a bit thinner on "medium" setting? Or maybe give us another option, lets say:

 

small, xxxx, medium, large?

 

Medium is much thicker than "normal" on windows 10.

 

Thank you

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

There are a few things that I don't seem to be able to do in the taskbar settings that I want to be able to do. Perhaps I'm just not finding the settings that I'm looking for or they just aren't there (yet).

I'm running on 3 horizontal monitors. The primary monitor is the central monitor. I only want the start button, widgets, clock, etc. to appear on the primary monitor. Currently, all of those are reproduced on all of the monitors. I've checked Start11 settings and Win11 settings and can't find a way to turn those off.

The second thing is that I want to task buttons to center on the primary monitor and then be right-aligned on the left monitor and left-aligned on the right monitor so that the buttons are pushing towards the center. I'd also like to try out the secondary monitor's taskbars to be vertical with the primary monitor being at the bottom of the screen. The setting in Start11 only has options for "align bottom" and "align top". The side alignment is just something that I'd like to be able to try, but I've never done before, so that's not a big deal.

The other 2 items I used to do with DisplayFusion, but if I have that running, then the secondary monitors do not expand the descriptions on the secondary taskbar buttons and I'd prefer to see the descriptions over having the buttons pushed closer to the middle.

Thanks! This is looking great.

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Hi there, great work but please test the taskbar when it is aligned at the Top of the screen.I don't see any of these problems when the taskbar is aligned at the bottom of the screen. There are some show-stopper problems:

  • It will frequently drop down a bit from the top of the screen (leaves a space between the top of the taskbar and the screen)
    • as a result, it will hide running program title bars
  • When a label (the name of the program) appears over an icon it prevents you from clicking the icon.
    • Is there a way to turn off the program labels?
  • Sometimes taskbar doesn't appear at all. Just a strip with no program icons

Thanks!