If you don't like the look, or the price, of someone else's skins, make your own - works for me

I think this discussion is healthy. The customer need to understand that we as a master skinner don't get much in return from the skin we sell here.  And my free skin get downloaded a lot for example my Glassmax14 get download 6300x... if I get 50% of that number to buy my master skin I can sell my skin at $1.00 any time. And looking at my Glassmaxx Cursor which downloaded 190330x. If I can sell my cursors at $0.50 I can quit my day job and do cursors full time. Heck maybe buy a new house with that money.  

My master skin only sell 10-20x and that for the first 2 week after it released.. than it will trickle slowly.....my Oren WB released in March 2014 only totaling at 103 as of today... 

Wow... lol

Its apparent some of you have no idea how much thought, effort, time, work, stress, sleeplessness, numb hands and arms, skill, learning, coffee, and oh.. did i mention time.... goes into a well thought out and manufactured skin.

or.. that a LOT of these app makers copy paste code from their own, or others apps, mod it s little, and sell it, over and over and over.

If you feel that my, or others work is not worth it.... then..

 

Option 1. Whine about it.

Option 2. Make your own skins.

Option 3. Use the free skins, there are THOUSANDS of them

Option 4. Whine about it some more.

Option 6. Come and trade me some of your personal time and labor at 20% of what you think you are worth, I need a fence painted, lawm mowed, laundry done, catbox emptied (and cleaned) I would be happy to reciprocate some of your gratitude and thriftiness.

Final Answer. LEAVE... Please...just go somewhere else.. back button, google other skin sites...don't look back

 

I, personally don't want your money or business.

 

On a personal note Im sick of hearing people whining about having to pay too much for something that should actually sell for more than it does.

 

not just here, but all over the net.

 

Entitlement nation.

 

 

John....what happened to option 5?

Option 5 was obviously... censored...   

 

 

 

Haha... well..

 

well well well

 

I did forget to mention the galleries are full of MS right now as I am updating all my skins to Win 8..... Gee, you would think people might appreciate that.

I do. More toys for me to play with.

Seriously though...I've been here 8 years and I have yet to see a single WB Master or otherwise that I haven't drooled over. I've seen the amount of work that goes into these skins and believe me, just looking at the psd's I've been graciously given to make stuff for that takes not only time but a lot of effort to get it just right. Some examples...HAL 2030...Dark Dreams...Metropolis...Andromeda...need I go on. That's more than just skill. That's dedication. All those who complain that its too expensive or shouldn't be sold have no clue! Also I'd like to see them match even one of them. Guaranteed they can't do it. My two cents.

John asked me to proof read his post...and all I can say is that when I got to "Option 5"....well let's just say I'll be going to therapy for awhile...I had no idea someone could swear like that. I don't think even crayola has colors to match that colorful language.

yeah... it was a bit of a..... Spectrum....  

 

i'm not sure about that. all these years there was a consensus that the real numbers should be kept secret. Frogboy was claiming that there are skinners that can make a living from payskins, and there still (although less than before) is some hype about "master skins".

if customers are aware that a product is unpopular, they are usually less inclined to buy.

it was kinda obvious after the desktopgadgets.com fiasco that payskins don't sell well, but i didn't expect the numbers to be that low. 

maybe Stardock could "sponsor" the development of a skin every now and then to support skinners and to get more free quality content to the library. let's be honest, nobody really likes in-app-purchases.

I think I paid $50 for FSX [MS flight sim] ....and since then probably 500+ on third party add-ons...;)

the golden days are definitely behind since the extinction of XP and the GFC, but I wouldn't say the product is 'unpopular'... people are more inclined to hold onto their money for necessities in hard times and the world of customising seems to have shrunk somewhat since the XP days where it was absolutely necessary to customise because Luna would make your eyes bleed...

Looping again,even since the master skins selling spot has introduced.  

I mentioned that back on reply #2. The poster of this thread hasn't been back here once to reply to anything. I believe he or she is just reading this and laughing. Saying to their-self, look at the BS I started. It's a given from the replies that most appreciate the Master skins and even the free ones. Maybe we shouldn't humor these types of people anymore. If there weren't any replies to these types of threads they would just go away.

Since i was the only one comparing a skin to an app it’s obvious that  this whole or part of comment is directed at me?
While i said im going to stay away from posting you had to bring this up?

While you provided me some options:

Option 1. Whine about it. Well im not whining about it but you do with writing such a comment and providing these options 
don’t like me comparing things ?
 
Option 2. Make your own skins. Well i did and still do -But that is a hobby

Option 3. Use the free skins, there are THOUSANDS of them I do that also. Now that’s a good option i can accept that one.

Option 4. Whine about it some more. NO Sir you need to stop getting personal i was simply comparing two things.

Not sure what you wrote in Option 5 but it was either very offensive according to  

or it included nothing important at all...

Seriously?  I’ve been hanging out on Wincustomize for quite a while now...And honestly i don’t intend to leave but with such a statement im tempted!

this shows that you have not even given the little trouble to think about what I've actually written, before you got started getting offensive. 
I simply understood the perspective of a customer that Pixel brought up and that’s what motivated me posting in the first place.
A customer will look at the skins price tag and will compare it to the price of the app in this case windowblinds or OD.
The skin: let’s face it isn’t something very cheap since you get a whole app for that price. A Stardock APP

As you mentioned some app developers only modify code or copy and paste...
Whether they copy and paste code ( im sure not everyone is doing that ) where is the difference between them or me creating a skin based on diamond?
It is basically the same, using existing code and pixels modifying them based on an idea. Did i miss something unless the concept that is needed to do both.
Never said  that your work or LS work isn’t worth it read closely

I WAS STATING THAT STUFF IS SOMETIMES OVERPRICED BUT YOU BUY IT ANYWAY

, but others are not willing to pay that much, it was said that premium skins only have so many downloads, without the intend to get down on the same level ,

let me ask you
is it not better to have 99 cents from over 15k + illegal downloads than ... 120 premium 5 dollars ones. Its simple math. 5USD*120= 600 USD
or 15000*0.99= 14850 USD now subtract your SD fee where do you have more cash left?
Again just a thought.

Im aware that not all illegal downloaders will buy the skin for 99 cents but the chance is actually bigger to make more money and to have more downloads on premium skins that is what was is behind the  comparision of an app and a skin. There was no attitude behind it.

Yes, it's simple math...but irrelevant and unrealistic.

It can also be proven with legitimate math that one = zero = infinity.

Again, irrelevant.

Many people claim the prospect of flats being built beside their home will devalue the property....but it's actually physically impossible to prove.

Sure, 15000 x 99c sounds good....but still 15000 x 4.99 sounds better.

Apart from that, there IS no point...;)

vStyler wasn't singling anyone out....his comments are pointed at ALL who devalue...or wish to devalue a skinner's time/effort...and it's the OP's thread, afterall.

Sorry, thought this was the "Become a master skinner" motivation section, my bad.

Good grief, I dare not share an opinion, yeah, right.

Here's mine. Stardock did most of the hard work for me with sks, which cost 9.99, hmm. Very cheap for all that work. 50.00 for the lot of apps, so cheap, all that code.

But, skinners have also invested years into the art field to become masters and that should be counted as well when deciding worth. Years of practice, and free skins all the while, so overall, the skins average out probably too less than a dime apiece, all said and done.

So, I guess I see a valid point to both sides, so no help here! But, I like skinning and money or not, I like having people use my work,cash might just make it a job, and I have one already, and need no other.So, I like the hobby aspect.If I were under the gun, trying to pay bills with the payout from skins, I would see a different side I am sure, so I respect that, a little cash for a lot of work.Most people make at least 9.00 bucks an hour at work, a skin takes hundreds of hours some times, or maybe less,lol, seems a fair price that way anyhow.

There, did I stay SWISS?DT1(chickensh-t}

exactly..... I was teasing him because he accidentally omitted "5"... and WebGizmos picked it up and ran with it... called...humour..... 

sorry there weren't enough  for you...

 

ID's right.... lighten up... relax...   

 

Exactly....

 

 

It worked.

The person who posted this has posted other Master Skin complaints in the past:

 

Too many Master Windowblinds skins

https://forums.wincustomize.com/384561/page/3/#2655443

 

Where are the Master Skins?

https://forums.wincustomize.com/397377/page/1/#2782727

 

Guess he/she has nothing better to do with their life. 

PixelPunk....  the Punk... might be a hint...  

What we need is more Master Dreams.

I guess he/she could always take up skinning like the rest of us.

YES I am

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-I still stand fast in this oppinion