look here: https://forums.elementalgame.com/430589

I think you might need to PM Derek/Frogboy for a number, but at least a method of changing it is given

That looks pretty old. I will try messaging Derek or frogboy though. Also, I want to look into the mod manager, haven't read anything about it yet. Is it easy to set up>>

that's posts is from the release time/end of beta period. Not much have changed since, might be only that a couple more variables got exposed as named variables.

I'm thinking about the damage modifiers you implement though.

What was the reason to put that modifier and then balance it with 0.15 overpower?

I am finding myself attacking always the largest squads since this gives me the best damage per hit ratio and ignoring the damaged units. since even at full strength I do them 1 damage as compared to 20 against full squad.

slightly contr-inctuitive...

also I am finidng myself quite often doin 0-0 hit per figure. plus the awkward situation when I do less damage to 5 out of 20 wildlings than single figure wildling.

at that point I am forced to press autoresolve as the battle with manually clicking 60 times to drop the wildling unit take just too much time.

When you simply left the units strength as normal the results were unbalanced I believe, but wouldn't increasing the mid-end game monsters in defense/hitpoints help to reduce it?

mod manager is easy to use, easy to install

and allow easy mod adding/removing plus manages depndecies very well.

definitelly take a look at it.

Well, the numbers might need to be changed or balanced but this is why I did that.

There doesn't seem to be a way to limit a unit by group, I have tried but haven't figured out how to so what I had to do to try to balance the smaller 5 and 20 man units with the 100 and 300 man units as well as with individual units (monsters and heroes) was by adding a damage percentage. This meant that a unit would only do a certain percentage of damage of their max. If I allowed units of 100 and 300 to have normal attack the damage would be in the upper hundreds to thousands of HP dmg which no hero or small unit could survive and since I couldn't find a way to put it on just large groups of soldiers I had to put it on all soldiers. That is the first thing

Secondly, I had to find a way to balance it so that small units and heros and monsters could dmg those large units so that is why I use the overpower ability, otherwise they basically do no damage to them because their hp is so high. I could lower this number though so that it isn't that much. It may be just too easy to kill larger units. Perhaps if I lower it a lot it wont be so bad, not sure. This is the difficulty I have had balancing this and since I like to play mostly magic, I need more feedback. Magic might be too powerful too.

Yes, I could just increase the damage of mid to end game monsters, but what about heroes, those 100 and 300 men units will one shot all heroes basically.

hmm, the point is that indeed, when a 300 men attack a single champion, he don't really have much chances ....

They might be larger then light, but they better stick to dragonslaying not manslaughter...

I suppose it could be done that way, I just thought people wouldn't like it that much. It certainly would be easier to do it that way. Perhaps I can try it out like that.

Also, I suppose late game, monsters shouldn't matter so much except for the really powerful ones, like dragons and such.

as we talk dragons - I just met drake - 4 defense? same for pack drakes.

I didn't change anything with the monsters stats from MA. Those are the stats that Sean put on his monsters and I never got around to really looking at them.

When you have time Sentinemodo, make a list of things you would like to see in the mod, or see changed, or see balanced, or whatever so I can see what makes sense or what I can do about it. 

Didn't have much time for play lately, I try to alt+tab and write as I go.

As of now I still have the feeling of uselessness of the five man squads. Even that I moved already to 20 men units (which by the way is way to cheap)

their only task is to soak damage when champions do the job. their 75% damage limiter make them doing 1-3 points of damage to most of the enemies (when they have around 100 hp this is not noticable) and this get even lower when the enemy squads get reduced, turning it into 0-0 scale at some point.

the other thing is low armor of some high level monsters like drakes.

There is a couple of typos on traits descriptions, but they are not important really.

I still need to get to higher level weapons but my feeling is that units training is too fast.

I don't like that the units are having different stats on strategic and tactical levels. I think the best way to solve this would be to add secondary set of champions weapons with higher stats or trained units weapons with lower stats - a lot of work, but would provide consistency)

I think that dodge reduction for large untis mechanics would work very nice with your larger squads armieds and provide very good antichampion tactic that is missing from vanilla.

Verga sweep starting ability can be doubled when levelling, which AI probably does.

as of new things, I'd like to test out how it would affect the gameplay if mounts add hitpoints instead of dodge (making them harder to kill not harder to hit) leaving the air dodge bonus as it is and making them increase wages of the units by significant amount.

as we are at that mounts should limit the squad numbers by one level - ie. basic horsemen unit would have 3 men (instead of 5), 5 men instead of 20, 100 instead of 300. They give higher hitpoints, bonus to attack (due to weight capacity), bonus to dodge. They should be limited in size IMO. Not sure however if this is implementable in any way. Also that's just realistic.

cumbercoil dragon damages himself when he firebreath.

 I think this has been corrected in one of the patches, so this must be an xml fixes that weren't ported over to MA.

something, somewhere when terribly wrong

I am noticing that some stronger of the monsters have minimal defence 4 maximum.

not sure what's the reason, but this applies to drakes and stone elemental, crystal crag. earth shrills on the other hand have defense of 10.

As I am making more and more battles against 20 and 100 men units. I notice over and over again an animation, where all units group in one line for an attack. This create an effect of thinnes. It almost seems like all of the soldiers are having one pixel width to fit.

Also graphically there is not enough difference between 20 and 100 men squads.  I need to scroll over to see which is which.

I was thinking if it would be possible to scale the graphics depending on zoom. I mean that at one point (cloth map) you see a figurine. close you see one 3d model regardless of size, close you see a little smaller figurines of 5. if you zoom close enough you'll see 300 pedestrian sized models. if you zoom that close to a smaller sized squads, they will of course remain at their number.

Not sure if it is doable.

I've claimed a city, it had not built town watch. Along with workshop it should have been one of the first thing to build. increase the priority on that building.

This might be me playing Verga, but when I attacked some champions led armies of Tarth, they result was the same but turned against me.

Basicaly while still on 20 men units, champions are around 12th level. I have no problem oneshotting any 20 sized unit. I usual kill two with a whirlwind (3 if I am lucky) added flurry I can mop any trained unit army before they get a second shot (not that it matter as any given shot take up to 10 of my 250 HP).

The tarthians aren't much worse. they use their explosive, arrows and multiple shots, if not one shotting then severely criplling my own units.

I have sent full army (5 units) of 20 men stack of spearmans (thye should ignore most defense of the enemy army unit) against one single, lone and boring champion. I've never got idea in vanilla that Janusk is particulary strong. he mopped them without a scratch. and there really was something to scratch as he had just over 300 HP.

conclusion 20 men units are as useless as 5 men units. they are good for clearing monsters though. but the monsters are fairly scarce by now.

Okay, I will think about the things you have mentioned and how i can fix or change them.

I can try removing the damage limiter to units and see how that effects play. Or I can try a much lower damage limiter, maybe of 50 % or 30%, what do you think?

As for the cost of units, I wanted them to be cheap and easy to train. I could increase them a bit but the point was to be able to build big armies and not be worried about losing them. The armies are limited by resources though. The 100 and 300 man squads will require lots of resources in order to build more advanced units. The idea was also to make it more realistic as it should not take months to recruit soldiers. In just a couple of weeks you should easily be able to recruit a few hundred men and equip them. They may not be highly trained but trained enough that they can fight, that is the idea anyway. It also makes population more important. If it takes a long time to build units, it doesn't matter what pop you have because it would take forever to build units so I do not want to change that too much. In all honest, 1 turn is one week so it really shouldn't take longer than a week to train 5 or 20 guys. I can increase it a little though if it is really an issue.

I will look into the armor of higher level monsters, that shouldn't be a difficult fix.

If you find any typos let me know I will fix em.

I could go the route of just having lower stats on unit weapons than hero weapons but that is a lot of work, I will think about it. Or I could just make it that heroes can't use the same weapons that units can use, that is much easier but it means you won't be able to use any of the weapons you unlock for your units, heroes will have to use the weapons they find as items in the world, but maybe that isn't so bad.

I can try the mount changes, but I do not think there is any way to change how many soldiers are in a mounted unit. However, amount of horses will limit how many you recruit. I doubt you will ever see a significant number of large mounted units. If you save up, you can field maybe 1 or 2 100 or 300 man units, but I doubt you will see a significant amount and this is somewhat realistic. If you play any of the total war games, you definitely are able to recruit cavalry units in the hundreds and even thousands if you have the resources so I do not think that is a problem.

It is impossible to see more than 20 soldiers within one group. I tried. The max they allow you to see is 20. That is why they all look like that, it is the only way to make it work, otherwise it won't work. So, unfortunately there is no way to really differentiate between the 20, 100 and 300 except by clicking on it and seeing hp and such. This is a limitation of the game engine unfortunately. There is no way to change how it looks on the world map too I believe. I could possibly effect scale but nothing else. Also, I don't think there is anything I can do about the attack animations when it looks like they are attacking in a straight line. Not sure. I can try to look into it but playing with the soldier locations in a unit is guesswork.

I can fix the cumbercoil dragon no problem and I will take a look at monsters. Perhaps I will make those high level monsters be much stronger with higher HP but I will give heroes bonuses to fighting them so that heroes will do a lot of dmg to them.

As for heroes doing too much dmg to units, well if I separate the weapons I can remove the overpower bonuses to hero weapons. 

Easy to change priority of buildings so I will do that.

Which monsters specifically do you feel should have high defense, other than dragons and drakes, which I know.

Oops, I know why the defense is so low on the monsters. That is a mistake, I forgot to change them back to normal when I was playing around with different ways to balance the damage between large and small units, etc. I will fix that now.

I am going to try and remove the damage limiter and see how the game plays out without it. This is going to make 5 and 20 man units useless once you have 100 and 300 man units but perhaps that is a good idea. 20 man units vs 100 man units should still be okay.

Okay so new version has the following changes, will upload soon but it needs testing, it will also require a restart for new changes to take effect. Also you must delete all the units you created by going into C:\Users\BlackRain\Documents\My Games\FallenEnchantress\Units. Delete every unit file in there. Units will have to be remade or you can use the units I made and put them in there. However, the units I made are very generic and only have 2 out of 3 traits. If you want the AI to have better units, you must use each faction and design units for them.

Will upload soon

Changes for version 1.4: NEW VERSION IS UP IN THE LINKS LET ME KNOW HOW IT GOES LOTS OF DRASTIC CHANGES HERE AND WILL NEED FEEDBACK

Now there is no more dmg limiter on units, they will do the amount of damage listed.

Monsters have been returned to the correct defense they are supposed to have. 

Fixed clambercoil dragons firebreath spell

Increased training times a little bit, need to play around with this though, need to test it out and such.

I changed weapons so that unit weapons no longer have any overpower on them. It may still say overpower but I changed the value to 0, much easier for me to do then having to go and delete all of it and also I may want to add a little overpower in the future but for now it is at 0.

Weapons which are hero only have a slight overpower bonus to them of .05 I don't know how much extra damage that will give them in game though. Will need to test.

Changed priority for town watch and workshop and all other buildings which add defensive units.

I am still trying to figure out how to change dodge, haven't spent time looking into it as I never edited dodge of units before. 

Changed mounts to give HP bonuses. Removed dodge from horses, instead horses give 10 additional hp (per soldiers). Warhorses give additional 15 hp.

Wargs still give bonuses to dodge but only give an extra 5 hp per soldiers. Harridans give an extra 5 hp per soldiers. Some of the other mounts, like ashwake dragon, give lots more hp.

I started a new game as Lord Mortis and I noticed that the income isn't displaying correctly. It correctly shows that I'm making +6 Gildar from my 2 cities, but I doesn't seem to be taking that into consideration. It's still showing my income as -1 when it should +5.