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SFC /SCANNOW Question

February 4, 2012 3:06:27 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

I have a ~5 year old Fujitsu laptop which, if memory serves, came with XP SP1 OEM, since updated to SP3 & kept up to date with all the security updates.

I've been trying to figuring out a problem with it being very slow, taking a long time to open some apps and running slow within apps.

The HD is less than 50% full.  I've done the usual stuff (CCleaner, etc.) to remove temp files and spiff the reg, multiple times, without any real change.  Ran MalwareBytes on it from another networked computer & it came up clean.

Ran sfc & got multiple prompts saying files from the original Windows XP SP3 disc or the Windows XP CD2 disc need to be copied to the DLL cache but, having no such discs, I canceled the file replacements & let it finish.

Do these prompts mean some system files are either corrupt or 'not the original files'?

Thanks!

 

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Reply #1 February 4, 2012 3:55:16 PM
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I'll assume you clean it.

 

The cache is where SFC gets the replacements when it finds a corrupted file, which almost always means a file that was overwritten by an older one in a program install, not actual data corruption.

 

Five years is a long time in Windows land, you should wipe out the OS, and update anew.  It's possible to restore your computer to functionality with an absurd amount of work, and you can get most of the way there with registry cleaning software, but basically you have a long running mess.  Your problem isn't overwritten DLL's, but Windows registry design.  At five years, you have countless entries cluttering it up, making Windows take forever to find the things you're actually looking for.  Start over, and wipe out five years of retarded developers(microsoft chief among them) not properly cleaning installation entries when they modify them.

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Reply #2 February 4, 2012 4:58:39 PM
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I don't doubt the wisdom of your advice, psychoak, but it's my wife's daily user and I still want to live a few more years, so taking her system down for 2-3 days & getting all back the way she wants entails significant risk.  Easier to listen to the complaints.

Or buy a new rig, though that's dicey, too - she hates it when anything 'changes' or requires 'new procedures'.

WCIS, it's my cross to bear.

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Reply #3 February 4, 2012 5:31:05 PM
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Daiwa... only for you: http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/189400897

Hope this fixes the altered system files.

If it doesn't, then roll back sp3. I hope you have a disk with sp1 and sp2 to put in your cd drive. If you do: The no-reformat reinstall operation starts with a normal boot from an XP setup CD. Ideally, to save time, use a setup CD that's been "slipstreamed" to include the SP1 and SP2 patches and upgrades. (Need info on slipstreaming? See "How To Save An Hour (Or More) On XP Installs" and also this third-party site).

Put that disk in the drive and restart your computer. You'll get a screen prompting you to "Press any key to boot from CD". Do so (blondes always say "I can't find the 'any key'").

If you don't get that screen, you'll have to change the boot order in your BIOS (http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ss/bootorderchange.htm).

Just follow Langa's article (or print it out) and hopefully you'll fix things.

If you don't have a disk with sp1 and sp2 on it, then you're looking at a wipe/reistall. Just save all the data externally before doing it.

You might run a chkdsk /f /r before doing the reinstall... and an antimalwarebytes scan...

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Reply #4 February 4, 2012 6:08:45 PM
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I've done the usual stuff (CCleaner, etc.) to remove temp files and spiff the reg

1- Stop doing that.

2- Open Taskmanager/ Processes...what's eating up the CPU clocks?

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Reply #5 February 4, 2012 8:28:59 PM
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Quoting yrag,
reply 4
1- Stop doing that.

Quoting yrag,
reply 4
2- Open Taskmanager/ Processes...what's eating up the CPU clocks?

Nothing to speak of other than SIP really.

Launching iTunes, for example:  Immediately pops open to a 'restored' window and the hourglass spins for about 20-30 seconds until the window maximizes, during which time SIP & TM itself stay at the top of the list with fleeting pops of iframework.exe and cfp.exe (Comodo firewall).

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Reply #6 February 4, 2012 8:33:04 PM
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Quoting DrJBHL,
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Hope this fixes the altered system files.

Thx, Doc.  I've read through that article before and bookmarked it.  Problem is I don't have an XP setup CD for this machine - has an OEM OS install with a 'Restore to Factory Settings' CD, not exactly what I wish to do.

MWB run from another networked machine turned up nothing.  I'll try running chkdsk - nothing to lose.

 

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Reply #7 February 4, 2012 8:43:36 PM
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Another thought, create a XP installation disc and slipstream the service packs/security updates onto it.... then when you run sfc /scannow and are asked to insert the installation disc you'll have the necessary files.

Like I said, just a though.... should work... I think.

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Reply #8 February 4, 2012 9:05:15 PM
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But his problem is that the files needed for the Installation Disk are corrupt... I was hoping he had Restore disks from before all his problems started...

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Reply #9 February 4, 2012 9:14:25 PM
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Quoting DrJBHL,
reply 8
But his problem is that the files needed for the Installation Disk are corrupt

Don't actually know that - just that sfc was asking for a bunch of files to be copied to the dll cache (shouldn't sfc 'know' it's working with an OEM install?).  I'm assuming that means some files are either corrupt or 'not original', but sfc doesn't indicate 'why' (haven't looked in the cbs.log).

And thanks for offering some help, starkers.

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Reply #10 February 4, 2012 9:21:19 PM
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Quoting DrJBHL,
reply 8
But his problem is that the files needed for the Installation Disk are corrupt... I was hoping he had Restore disks from before all his problems started...

Yes, but if he can get hold of a XP installation disc and slipstream it with SP3 and recent security updates to a new disc, he then has clean files when performing the sfc /scannow command 

Furthermore, in the event of having to perform a clean install at any time in the future, the original product key for XP would still work and the time spent downloading service packs and updates is considerably less... meaning a quicker, less painful reformat

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Reply #11 February 4, 2012 9:31:08 PM
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Quoting starkers,
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Yes, but if he can get hold of a XP installation disc

I actually have an XP SP2 installation disc - installed a clean copy on another computer that I gave to my son.

Would it satisfy SFC?

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Reply #12 February 4, 2012 9:31:59 PM
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Some times you just have to bite the bullet.  I had the very same problem with my brother-in-law's system, and damn near had to break his arm to reinstall XP (like you he didn't have the OEM disc, only the factory reinstall on the HDD).  Ii only took us approximately seven hours to get everything up and running.  Now his system is running like new, and guess what. . .he is happy and easy to live with again.

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Reply #13 February 4, 2012 10:08:04 PM
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Quoting Daiwa,
reply 11

Quoting starkers, reply 10Yes, but if he can get hold of a XP installation disc

I actually have an XP SP2 installation disc - installed a clean copy on another computer that I gave to my son.

Would it satisfy SFC?

If you were to use that disc to slipstream SP3 and recent updates to a new disc you'd be able to use that to restore the current system files [XPSP3] with sfc /scannow.

As I recall, XP was a bit funny about its versions... like if you have SP3 installed, a previous disc with SP1 or SP2 will not run unless you perform a clean install, which I understand you're not too keen on doing... hence the slipstreaming SP3 idea

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Reply #14 February 4, 2012 10:36:11 PM
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Quoting Daiwa,
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iframework.exe

You sure that's what it said?

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Reply #15 February 4, 2012 10:48:40 PM
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Sorry -  iFrmewrk.exe.  Brain subconsciously added the extra vowels.  That's my story, stickin' to it.

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Reply #16 February 4, 2012 10:51:01 PM
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Quoting starkers,
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If you were to use that disc to slipstream SP3 and recent updates to a new disc you'd be able to use that to restore the current system files [XPSP3] with sfc /scannow.

I'm wondering if I could use the WinXP Pro SP2 disc for Langa's non-destructive reinstall trick.

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Reply #17 February 4, 2012 11:04:44 PM
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Stop!!

The SP3 update backup files are on your HD {i386} (unless you deleted them).

Keep it simple for a moment. Take a trip down memory lane...when did it start and what did you/she do at that time.

 

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Reply #18 February 4, 2012 11:08:56 PM
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Quoting Daiwa,
reply 11
Quoting starkers, reply 10Yes, but if he can get hold of a XP installation disc

I actually have an XP SP2 installation disc - installed a clean copy on another computer that I gave to my son.

Would it satisfy SFC?

Yes. BUT you have to roll back sp3. Don't do that yet.

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Reply #19 February 4, 2012 11:18:59 PM
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Daiwa....listen to yrag.

If you don't you run the very real peril of being called all sorts of names...like idiot, etc.

Me....I'm 'chief fuckwit' ...so you can't have that one....

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Reply #20 February 4, 2012 11:26:11 PM
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Quoting Jafo,
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'chief fuckwit'

Purely a term of endearment.

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Reply #21 February 4, 2012 11:35:02 PM
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Quoting yrag,
reply 20
Purely a term of endearment.

Most certainly.....afterall who wants to be "snivelling half-pint poor excuse for a second-rate fuckwit"?...

BTW....listen to him 'cos he's always right....

[pretty much, anyway.... ]

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Reply #22 February 4, 2012 11:52:26 PM
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Quoting Jafo,
reply 19
Daiwa....listen to yrag.

Been there, done that, have the T-shirt; owe him big time already, Paul.

Just ran into a small potential showstopper.  The version of XP on the Fujitsu is MCE.  Thurrot's walk-thru on slipstreaming says MCE owners are SOL.  That was over 3 years ago, though, so maybe things have changed in the meantime.

Everyone can take a deep breath, haven't touched the machine yet - just sitting down in the chair in front of it raises the hair on the back of her neck...  three rooms away.

As for when the problem started, it was sometime in the spring of 1970, but I digress.

The slowing of the computer & various annoyances have accumulated over the past 2-3 years but, as I've said, she is very change-averse & has discouraged messin' with it.  What prompted my running sfc and then this post was a problem with iTunes not 'seeing' her iPhone when connected.  It can see our iPod Mini, but iTunes won't/doesn't see her iPhone 3G, my iPhone 4 or my son's iPhone 4, even after updating iTunes to the latest version.  It has successfully synced her phone a number of times before, but it's been awhile.

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Reply #23 February 5, 2012 12:09:47 AM
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Quoting Daiwa,
reply 22
As for when the problem started, it was sometime in the spring of 1970, but I digress.

Quoting Daiwa,
reply 22
2-3 years

....I'm losing interest fast.... 

That said, the iphone is a totally different problem, but it beats talking about a 3 year old problem with a long deceased operating system.

 

USB, WiFi or bluetooth?

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Reply #24 February 5, 2012 12:37:11 AM
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My brain faded back to the 60's/ 70's.....I'm back now  

 

In hindsight, maybe they are related (aside the 'not seeing the iphones'). Can I assume you installed itunes 3 years ago on an MCE platform? 

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Reply #25 February 5, 2012 1:52:46 AM
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iTunes has been on the rig for as long as we've had it, repeatedly updated to current version, and yes, MCE platform.

Quoting yrag,
reply 23
USB, WiFi or bluetooth?
.

The computer connects to my network by wi-fi, if that was the question.  USB cable sync, if that was the question.

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