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Scientists on trial for not warning strongly enough

Scientists on trial for not warning strongly enough

Ignorami vincet or Panem et circenses

 

From Italy:

"Six Italian scientists and one government official are set to go to trial today in Italy (Sept. 20) on charges of manslaughter for not warning the public aggressively enough of an impending earthquake that killed more than 300 people in 2009."

http://www.livescience.com/16132-italian-earthquake-prediction-manslaughter-trial.html

 

It seems that scientists can now predict where, when and how strong earthquakes will be.

In fact, warnings were issued:

"Enzo Boschi, the then-president of Italy's National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology and now a defendant in the case, seemed to allude to this uncertainty in a March 31, 2009, meeting in L'Aquila, a medieval city in Abruzzo. Comparing the situation to a large quake that struck L'Aquila in 1703, Boschi said, "It is unlikely that an earthquake like the one in 1703 could occur in the short term, but the possibility cannot be totally excluded.

In a press conference after the meeting, however, Department of Civil Protection official Bernardo De Bernardinis, also a defendant in the case, struck a more soothing tone, saying that the situation posed "no danger" and urging residents to relax.

Less than a week later, on April 6, a 6.3-magnitude quake struck in Abruzzo. L'Aquila's medieval buildings crumbled, killing 309 people and injuring more than 1,500." - http://www.livescience.com/16132-italian-earthquake-prediction-manslaughter-trial.html

Seems ridiculous to me, in this day and age that finger pointers should be able to put scientists on trial for not having crystal balls. I can see the civil official perhaps being lax in in telling everyone there "to relax" if that is indeed true and not just another instance of people hearing what they wanted and then being angry when it didn't turn out that way.

When will people understand that some things are still beyond science and stop believing the "special effects" are real?

"Panem et circenses".

When will people stop the finger pointing and blame game and just grow up?

 

 

 

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Reply #26 Top

Iceland is an island and technically not part of Europe. They only say it is for ease of familiarity. Italy is an archipelago and is attached to Europe. Problem is Italy is always kickin' Sicily with its boot. I wonder why that is. Between Etna roaring to life and Vesuvius grumbling not to mention Tambora waking up...hmph. Somebody's gonna get a hot foot or two.

I hate to mention this, but Tambora is in Indonesia. Maybe you think that is part of Italy? Given your appalling geography there's no need to tell us which country you come from... ;p

Reply #27 Top

Quoting Fuzzy, reply 26
Iceland is an island and technically not part of Europe. They only say it is for ease of familiarity. Italy is an archipelago and is attached to Europe. Problem is Italy is always kickin' Sicily with its boot. I wonder why that is. Between Etna roaring to life and Vesuvius grumbling not to mention Tambora waking up...hmph. Somebody's gonna get a hot foot or two.

I hate to mention this, but Tambora is in Indonesia. Maybe you think that is part of Italy? Given your appalling geography there's no need to tell us which country you come from...

He didn't say it was, Fuzzy. ;)

Reply #28 Top

He didn't say it was, Fuzzy

That's not how it reads ;)

Reply #29 Top

Couldn't resist this.... sometimes one has to use fuzzy logic.  ;)

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Fuzzy, reply 26
Tambora is in Indonesia.

DUH!!! I know that. Tambora is active again which is why I mentioned it. Tambora was the largest eruption in recent history with Krakatoa a close second but it isn't the largest in recorded history. Santorini holds that title. That's the one that ended the Minoans who had a colony on the island of Crete. That colony was wiped out by the tsunami that resulted from Santorini blowing its top. The island at that time was known as Thera. Plato took that a step further and invented Atlantis. He could a good yarn.

Reply #32 Top

Quoting Starcandy, reply 25
Quoting starkers,
reply 24
In fact, with regard to the majority I've listed, couldn't we just execute first and determine guilt later?... would save a whole lot of time and expense with expensive hearings and defense lawyers, etc?

That sounds an awful lot like The French Revolution to me.

Plus I'm not a supporter of executing people. That doesn't make me a bleeding heart liberal, just somebody who believes there are better ways of serving justice.

Neither am I.  What I said was done with tongue-in-cheek, and intended to be totally ridiculous, I suppose to highlight how ludicrous it is to put scientists on trial over an earthquake warning.  It may be that I'm not overly fond of politicians and bankers, but they have families and people who love them, too, so it would be unfairly cruel to punish them for the sins of their loved ones. 

Not too fond of Google execs, either.... and figure they should be castrated so they can spawn no more evil. 

[yeah, like their kids are necessarily going to grow up to be Google execs and perpetrate wicked acts against humanity]  :w00t:

Reply #33 Top

Quoting Uvah, reply 30
The island at that time was known as Thera. Plato took that a step further and invented Atlantis. He could a good yarn.

Atlantis? Yes.... but we all know what sank poor old Atlantis, don't we...  :grin:  

Reply #34 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 32
Neither am I.  What I said was done with tongue-in-cheek, and intended to be totally ridiculous, I suppose to highlight how ludicrous it is to put scientists on trial over an earthquake warning.  It may be that I'm not overly fond of politicians and bankers, but they have families and people who love them, too, so it would be unfairly cruel to punish them for the sins of their loved ones.

Yeah, that's my bad, sorry. My social skills aren't always up to snuff (if I had any to begin with ) so I misinterpreted what you meant. Again, sorry about that, Sweetie.

Quoting starkers, reply 32
Not too fond of Google execs, either.... and figure they should be castrated so they can spawn no more evil. 

[yeah, like their kids are necessarily going to grow up to be Google execs and perpetrate wicked acts against humanity] 

No, they will... castrate them... castrate them now! :rofl:

Reply #35 Top

Quoting Starcandy, reply 34
Yeah, that's my bad, sorry. My social skills aren't always up to snuff (if I had any to begin with ) so I misinterpreted what you meant. Again, sorry about that, Sweetie.

No, not your bad.... wires sometimes can easily be crossed when on the internet, regardless of social skills.  It is one thing you'll come to know about me, though, I tend to take the mickey a lot and am rarely serious when on the general/community pages... as opposed to the computer and tech pages, where I'm usually well behaved until somebody mentions Google.  I don't care what anyone says, they're evil and deserve all the ridicule and snide comments I can heap upon them.

Quoting Starcandy, reply 34
Quoting starkers,
reply 32
Not too fond of Google execs, either.... and figure they should be castrated so they can spawn no more evil.

[yeah, like their kids are necessarily going to grow up to be Google execs and perpetrate wicked acts against humanity]

No, they will... castrate them... castrate them now!

Okay, so we'll have Google execs at the head of the castration queue, bankers in the middle and politicians to follow up.  Or should politicians go first, then bankers and Googlites?  I suppose it wouldn't matter if we had a few knife wielders and dispensed with the anaesthetic so as not to slow things down.

:rofl:

Reply #36 Top

You have to be clear, precise and logical :fuzzy:

 

 

...otherwise I remove your gonads with surgical precision ;p

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Reply #37 Top

Quoting Fuzzy, reply 36
...otherwise I remove your gonads with surgical precision
Just exactly what does one do with a gonad collection?

and don't say "go nuts".

Reply #38 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 35
No, not your bad.... wires sometimes can easily be crossed when on the internet, regardless of social skills. It is one thing you'll come to know about me, though, I tend to take the mickey a lot and am rarely serious when on the general/community pages... as opposed to the computer and tech pages, where I'm usually well behaved until somebody mentions Google. I don't care what anyone says, they're evil and deserve all the ridicule and snide comments I can heap upon them.

Y'see, times like this are why I think there needs to be a hug emoticon. But in its abscence *hug*

Quoting starkers, reply 35
I suppose it wouldn't matter if we had a few blunt and rusty knife wielders and dispensed with the anaesthetic so as not to slow things down.

Edited the quote. Much better.:grin:

All the people who you've listed are good reasons for eugenics really. But I guess castration will do.;)

Reply #39 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 35
No, not your bad.... wires sometimes can easily be crossed when on the internet, regardless of social skills. It is one thing you'll come to know about me, though, I tend to take the mickey a lot and am rarely serious when on the general/community pages... as opposed to the computer and tech pages, where I'm usually well behaved until somebody mentions Google. I don't care what anyone says, they're evil and deserve all the ridicule and snide comments I can heap upon them.

Y'see, times like this are why I think there needs to be a hug emoticon. But in its abscence *hug*

Quoting starkers, reply 35
I suppose it wouldn't matter if we had a few blunt and rusty knife wielders and dispensed with the anaesthetic so as not to slow things down.

Edited the quote. Much better.:grin:

All the people who you've listed are good reasons for eugenics really.;)

Reply #40 Top

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 37
Quoting Fuzzy Logic, reply 36...otherwise I remove your gonads with surgical precision Just exactly what does one do with a gonad collection?

and don't say "go nuts".

 

Ok, can we say Have a Ball!!!   o_O

Reply #41 Top

For some people I could use Starkers' rusty knife...

Reply #42 Top

Quoting Starcandy, reply 39
if we had a few blunt and rusty knife wielders
Just to clarify, are the knives blunt and rusty or the knife wielders the blunt and rusty ones? I ask because both may apply in this case.

Reply #43 Top

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 42
Just to clarify, are the knives blunt and rusty or the knife wielders the blunt and rusty ones? I ask because both may apply in this case.

The knives? Smartarse!

Reply #44 Top

No no no.....you're supposed to use a spoon. Ain't I learned you nuttin'?

Castration is too humane. They do that to animals. Its called neutering or being spayed. I say tying their family jewels, not the fake glass ones ut the real deal, to a string. Like this.

One very large fellow has an argument with a very small fellow. It gets a bit heated and the very large fellow bops the very small fellow on the head causing immediate brain damage. The very big fellow goes home not even thinking about his encounter with the very small fellow. Then, in the wee hours the very large fellow feels discomfort while trying to sleep. He wakes to find a very heavy weight on his chest, a mqanhole cover of all things. Now the very large fellow is also very strong so he lifts the weight off his chest and walks it over to an open window, He tosses it out. As it turns over there is a note taped to its underside. It reads: You have ten seconds to untie this from your nuts! Have a nice day.

Reply #45 Top

Scientists that can't read the future in the stars. I'm appalled.

Reply #46 Top

Quoting Starcandy, reply 38
Quoting starkers,
reply 35
I suppose it wouldn't matter if we had a few blunt and rusty knife wielders and dispensed with the anaesthetic so as not to slow things down.

Edited the quote. Much better.

I was going to mention blunt and rusty knives, but thought better of it as didn't want to upset the professionals at the Gonad Removal Society.  But bugger 'em I say... so how about cold and rusty old butter knives with jagged edges? :w00t:

Quoting IROKONESS, reply 45
Scientists that can't read the future in the stars. I'm appalled.

So was I at first, but then it dawned on me that seismologists are unlikely to be carrying 'The Prophet's Universal Guide to Astrology: the definitive handbook for predicting cataclysmic events.'  Yup, that would have been so important at the time.  I mean, how would thy have known the difference without it, between a seismic event and what may have been hunger pangs... bellies growling because the spaghetti bog was long overdue.  Sure they could have looked up their horoscope in the daily papers, but without the handbook for predicting cataclysmic events they had absolutely no hope at all of understanding the severity of the situation

;)

Reply #47 Top

Now everyone is saying Einstein is wrong.

What da hell, is the world coming to... 8C

Reply #48 Top

Quoting Fuzzy, reply 47
Now everyone is saying Einstein is wrong.

What da hell, is the world coming to..

And who the frick are we gonna put on trial for not emphatically warning us about that a lot sooner?

Bloody scientists!!!  Always getting it wrong... and no freakin' apologies  NOOOOO!!!

Eibstein might be dead, but he at least could have written out an apology to be read out posthumously.

And what about all these twerps with the global warming thing... are we gonna get apologies from that crowd when it's proven they're wrong?

Of course not, the bastards will blame their computer modeling software and say  the IT people are responsible for the greatest hoax in history.

So while were at it.... prosecuting Italian scientists, that is, we ought to get all these global warming/climate change imbeciles before the courts as well.

There again, bugger it!  There's more than enough evidence to dispense with that rigmaroll and just lock 'em up.  And throw away the key, I say, throw it as far as it can possibly go, I say.

Next up, I reckon we drag the Hollywood Producers before the courts.... for not warning us strongly enough about the crap they've been serving up recently

I mean, when will they learn... that no movie is better than a bad movie.... and frankly, most over the last couple of years have been bloody woeful, to say the least.

And don't think you're getting away with it, bankers.... you're next  [insert evil laugh here] }:)

Reply #49 Top

Boy...have you got issues. Lol

Reply #50 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 48
And don't think you're getting away with it, bankers.... you're next [mwuahahahahahahaha]

Done!