na i'm perfectly sane, so go right on ahead and label me.  Look, i'm still here.  Anyways, you can't face the argument so backing down this way makes you seem like you haven't lost any face.

Nothing nutty about it, just learn some law.

Murdoch wants to come to the US for whatever reason, and destroy our freedom of press via centralizing our news media, directly hurting our republic.

Perhaps you need to read some more history instead of become angry at your own ignorance. 

A captain is responsible for his ship, and I doubt there is much of his empire that escapes his notice.

is this english? sentence structure seems all screwed up.  Some sort of colloquialism?

Whats with all the personal attacks? Please keep it to refuting or arguing about points made. General attacks against a poster are very weak.

I do not agree with the immigrant argument. 

There is only a few corporations owning all the media and Rupert is by far not the largest. People would use this "owning to much media" argument to dismantle Rupert's empire and put the media into even fewer hands. Dumbest argument yet IMHO.

Police in some states are now allowed to data mine your cell phone without a warrant. If you think that these well dressed thugs will not sell information you're daft. One more goose step closer to a police state.

Sell the livestock!  Dig the shelter!  And kiss your tuckus goodbye!  The Armageddon is upon us!

I have read enough of both of you to know that agreeing never happens.

How so? its only a dumb argument if in fact the consolidation of the media continues.  Personally I hope that all his children would fight to tear his empire apart so that it is in many more hands, the more difficulty legally each child has fulfilling their ambitions destroying their family bonds so that in the end the media empire would be fragmented. 

The benefits?  A more competitive market, a media that is less controlled and censored.  The people win at the expense of a very few. Politicians will have to pay more to smaller media outlets to attempt to get the kind of controlled media coverage they had during the clinton/bush/obama years, making them less able to edit the media.

I am for dismantling all the large media companies into smaller entities.  Our government as a whole has been too monopoly friendly and it isn't doing its job when regarding implementing anti trust proceedings.  I see the fall of the murdoch empire as one step in the right direction, where many more steps need to be taken for the well being of our country.

If you want to become very rich and play the big game, there is always a big risk associated with it.  This does not necessarily apply to the common man, so any argument along those lines should be viewed through this lens.  He comes under such fire because he is a media mogul exercising control of information in a free society...you and I most likely are Not media moguls.

If for some reason you do not think the media is heavily censored, I would say again do some research. 

Not one to be fooled by the media elite or corporate spin agencies...and being immune to Illuminati mind control thanks to my trusty hat that I got on e-bay years back in exchange for my immortal soul...I have through pure determination and exploitation of all my inside contacts finally deciphered what's really happening with this whole Murdoch scandal thing. 

This gets complicated--so try to keep up with me...

It all begins with a seemingly innocent stage collapse. Freak accident?  I think not.  No one was hurt except for the crew of Cheap Trick so it's obvious the band was the target--saved only by the fortunate presence of a nearby truck from being crushed alive.

Now who is reporting on this event?  The Guardian, a British tabloid and direct competitor of the Murdoch empire!

You may ask, "What does the Guardian reporting on the Cheap Trick mishap have to do with the Murdock empire?". This is where a keen wit and sharp observation skills are needed.  Note the band member, Rick Nielson, famed for his ball cap and playing of multi-necked guitars plus   maniacal on-stage behavior.

Now you might also ask in response to this, "What does Rick Nielson have to do with Rupert Murdoch?".  Everything!

The media has missed it but where else do you find a crazy,  ball cap wearing frontman in a band?  The A-Team of course!  As evidence, I present Dwight Shultz, the mad cap (pun intended!) engineering artist of the A-team.  Same ball cap, same maniacal behavior...and his characters name?  Murdock!

The Americanized spelling threw off others but not me.  The only thing (aside from the stage itself) destroyed by the stage collapse at the Cheap Trick concert  was Rick Nielson's five necked guitar.  Clearly, Nielson was the target and Nielson is clearly symbolic in his stage persona as a carbon copy of "Howling Mad Murdock"!

The entire stage collapse was an assassination  attempt by the Guardian to take out Nielson, a.k.a., Murdock, a.k.a., Murdoch as a message that they are taking over the business!

As the world watches Murdoch's empire sink beneath the waves, another rises in the darkness.  Beware the Guardian and it's parent company...the new face of pure evil!

I posted this as all other conspiracy theorists are hacks.  I'm sure it's my hat that gives me the edge.

The reason the Murdoch empire has been under such scrutiny, is because it's threatened the liberal monopoly in the media.  Hence a bunch of liberals always being the ones complaining about it, while they ignore how massive the reach a company like GE has.

52 cards in a playing deck, to be shy of 52 would mean you have fewer.

One quibble with your otherwise trenchant analysis: The Guardian isn't a tabloid, it's just another of the traditional broadsheets that went to the smaller Berliner printing format to save money. They're nearly stodgy when you compare them to rags like The Sun. 

That's what they want you to think.

you must be just as crazy as I then aeligos....

how dare you call out the schemers on their schemes!  lol

if baseless defamation of character is all the counter these guys have I'll just sit here and wait for them to come up with something more intelligent.

The BS between liberals and conservatives is only meant to keep people strongly politically divided in a time where those governing want to push a lot of terrible legislation.  Make no mistake, congress is not divided.  But then you might have to read the legislation, and it is easy to find cases where congressmen don't even do that on bills they sponsor.  If I had fewer scruples I wouldn't mind being paid a large sum of money to not uphold my constitutional oath.

read some history, if there isn't a conspiracy then you are being lied to.  As long as people have ambition they will want to usurp the wealth of those who have it for their own interests.  You think people change? lol.

but then, i must be crazy for using common sense.

You may wear a funny hat, I don't buy anything, i just use my eyes and read, and search everywhere in my environment.

Yet another baseless accusation using terrible logic in an attempt to discredit.  It doesn't do well, in fact it just makes you look bad sinperium...but then i'm crazy for saying that the circumstantial evidence against murdoch is there, how strong it is.... well my opinion is already in my word use, but then any person with half a brain has an appropriate place for circumstantial evidence.

Errr...that wasn't meant to be taken seriously...which is disturbing all by itself.

The ONLY way this happened is murdock seriously ballsed up because he thought he was untouchable. whether he pis$ed off the powers that be, by going against them on something or by trying to sneakily gather more power to himself without letting them know, he is getting a hammering to teach him a lesson. when rockefella turns up and says what he did, you know youre in deep sh!t. the rockefellas and their mob own half the world, and murdock used to be one of their money buddies.

if it wasnt for these guys murdock wouldve crushed this without blinking, and has likely done so many times before. but you dont fvck with the guys who have an ownership in every major bank in the world and get away with it

Hmmm, well it gets annoying when you see effectively this lame response over and over and over....  use humor to lower the value of the whole conversation.  Not going to work.

Humor is the only redeeming trait this thread has.

Not absolutely. It might have poked a few folks into reading around more and trying harder to think for themselves. But I admit that Sinperium's ode to mental illness was my favorite post in the thread.

I'm not going to bother to read any of the content of this thread because in all reality there's no one here other than GW and possibly myfist whose opinion I could care the slightest about.

The only thing I have to say is in response to the title of the thread.

And that is that this couldn't happen to a more deserving oligarch. I hope that he gets what he deserves.

The prodigal commie posts yet another vapid, unsupported remark without even giving reasons, let alone reason, but still takes time to dish on the other posters...

what an ignorant comment.

Our market lacks diversity by having a few oligarchs who control their respective industries.  A true communist would encourage a further centralization of power, by wishing to protect murdoch's empire and put it in the hands of the state. 

It is painfully obvious that this empire is being used to manipulate mass opinion in elections, so it has in fact become a part of how the state operates.  Private citizens who have a larger vote then you, who are "more equal". 

This stinks of communist idealism.

This is not about ideologies at all.  Its about how do you want your market to be?

Personally. I would like to have my work to be reasonably valuable.  I would like to have a measure of job security.  When I retire, I want to live comfortably enough to have few worries.  Preserving large entities will only serve to counter these common desires because new schemes will be made to cut jobs, lower pay, increase turnover, and steal your retirement. Businessmen want to cut costs after all, and take a bigger piece of the pie.  There is a need for balance at all times in this, and the best way to balance a market is to let it rise and fall naturally.  No bubbles, no mass theft of public money.

The larger these entities are, the more they can screw you over.

You fight yourself with your own words and don't even realize it. 

I think my theory that the A-Team and Cheap Trick were integral to the Murdoch scandal isn't a response you have seen "over and over" and in all seriousness, the fact that you completely missed the satire there really suggests you might just be taking yourself a bit to seriously.

I will concede though that it does get annoying to see the same lame responses over and over.  Absolutely...though our perception of which responses are lame and repetitious is most assuredly different.

Pot-kettle, more or less. You absolutely know that Mumble is nowhere near being a communist. He's just ranting ferociously from the tattered fringe of what passes for the US left these days. The word "oligarch" is probably what set you off anti-side-spin-flipping or whatever. You hate that neo-aristocratic shit as much as any of us 'on the left' do.

In a perfect world, I would be elected world dictator for life and then could do away with elections and legislators--a perfect society.

This nonsense is and always has been bullshit.  So called oligarchs comprise a severe minority, and, in what limited form they have, are restricted to heavily regulated sectors, like broadcast, where assholes in government have created them.  Corporations as a whole only comprise about ten percent of the economy.

No, Mumbles is definitely a closet communist.  In theory perhaps, but in practice he's an intolerant ass that wants to take companies away from people he dislikes, squelches opposition to his loony left views despite having the same rude demeanor he claims to be filtering over, and hasn't met a government welfare program he doesn't like despite living in a picturesque example of a failed state caused by socialist programs.  I don't put him in a different category just because he wouldn't get us all the way there overnight.  We'd end up close enough to call it plenty fast.  If we got the last century of "progress" in two years, everyone would be jumping up and down screaming communist at whoever was in charge.  Anyone that wants more than we've already got just doesn't know they are.

last time I noticed only a few banks were bailed out to prevent the collapse of our entire financial system.  I think the strength of these oligarchs are readily apparent.  as an opposing view, The car industry didn't get a bail out and now you can see how detroit is depopulating at an alarming rate. 

Its almost like these few people have incredible influence in our lives.   But that can't be right, because they are only few in number...

Read some history.

Also, ten percent of the economy is a LOT, and secondly, you need to be more specific about what the statistic you provided actually means, as it stands it is worthless.  what is the 10% based on, if anything.  tax revenue? net worth? GDP?

Also your belief that government regulation prevents people from doing things is funny, check out what small sums people get sold out for by doing some research into lobbying.  Look at how regulators policy changes when affected by these lobbying dollars.  Look at an institution, say, the FDA and see how "ironclad" their requirements are.  Look at personal connections of individuals in important places in government institutions and you might notice patterns. 

But the key thing is to seek answers, don't think you or anyone else knows them. 

If wanting to line up all the treasonous traitors (i.e. Republicans) that are willing to damage the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to satisfy the radical, extreme, deluded desires of a batshit insane minority and shoot each and every one in the head makes me intolerant then call me intolerant.

And while I have no desire to take companies away from people I dislike, I do object to companies being given the same rights as individuals and then using those rights along with their unprecedented accumulation of cash (and their bought and paid for politicians, again Republicans) to run rampant over the rights of people.

For those that haven't seen it here's the latest GOP motivational video.

I do not mind the thread going off course unless there are objections. I was hoping for a little input on the police scooping cell phone data without a warrant but no one seems to care about privacy any more. 

With the intent to prevent massive job losses and destabilizing damage to the entire manufacturing sector, the U.S. and Canadian governments provided unprecedented financial bailout support to allow the companies to restructure and jettison legacy debt via Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Both companies separately filed for this protection by June 1.

General Motors emerged from bankruptcy as a new company majority owned by the United States Treasury, and Chrysler emerged owned primarily by the United Auto Workers union and by Italian automaker Fiat S.p.A.. Both companies terminated agreements with hundreds of their dealerships and GM discontinued several of its brands as part of bankruptcy proceedings. Ford Motor Company was able to survive without entering bankruptcy partly due to a large line of credit which it obtained in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_2008-2010_automotive_industry_crisis_on_the_United_States

It seems to me that, just like the banks, the taxpayer paid to boot us out of our houses and move our jobs overseas. I seen a good video a while ago about Detroit. Let's see who can spot the illegal Canadian immigrants.

I wonder who is buying all these houses for a dollar? 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18239 is a good article. You might be surprised at who wrote it.

I can agree with that but I think it is members of both parties and I also do not agree with corps givin the rights of a person that can't go to jail.

Mumbles, there is a fairly new YouTube button for inserting videos, just like inserting images. But it sucks only 1 per post and only YouTube.