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Browser Wars

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I have several browsers on my desktop.  I have XP at home (bought 3 years ago - BEFORE 7, and did not want Vista) so IE9 is not an option (work is Vista - I was right in my home purchase).  So I am using IE8 both at home and work.  When I use IE.  I have Firefox which is my browser of choice, Opera, Safari, and Chrome.

I know many will disagree with me, and that is fine, but my experiences show that no one is winning, just some are losing slower.

Opera is fine if all you want to do is read the news.  It is relatively fast, and clean.  for a quick hit, I like it, but seldom use it.

Safari is for Mac users.  Nothing wrong with the windows version - just not a lot right (like add ons and such).  It has not given me a reason to switch to it as a primary browser - or even secondary.  As such, I do not hate it, just do not use it.

Chrome is not fast.  I wonder if the FCC will nab them for false advertising.  Doubtful since it is free.  but the lack of speed has turned me off to it.  Like Opera, I use it on occasion, but it is not on the top of my browser list.

IE is fast launching.  It is also the browser of last resort (when the Stardock forums mess up, or a web page will not display correctly in other browsers, IE will work).  But it is not fast surfing.  And has one idiosyncrasy (actually 2) that I hate.

#1: when closing multiple tabs and windows, and saving them, relaunching IE brings them all up in one window.  Why? (Did 9 fix that?)

#2: More often than not, when closing said tabs, IE will "crash" and then open all the windows again - without asking.

#3 (well, I mis-counted) Windows does not recover from a non-shutdown crash with all tabs.

But on the good side, of my top 2 browsers, it is by far the most frugal with memory (I never thought I would say that!).  I had 2 windows and 12 tabs open the other day, and it was using only 100mb of memory (ONLY!!!!!  God we have come far).

Firefox is my browser of first choice.  I like the thousands of Add Ons I can choose to add (or not), the ease at which I can enable or disable them, and the fast browsing.  But it is not perfect.

#1: It is slow to launch - especially if there is an update.  But even without an update, it will take about 5 minutes where IE takes about 1.

#2: it is a memory HOG!  Same day, I also had Firefox up with 6 tabs open, one window.  It was pegging 500mb!  I frequently have to crash the browser as once it gets over 500mb (one system has 2gb the other has 4gb of memory so it does not appear to matter how much total memory there is), it dogs it.  But the crashing leads to the reason it is my main browser - namely:

#1: When you shut it down, and then relaunch, it does not open the Home pages PLUS the saved tabs (IE does thatt - and I have 3 home pages so it really clutters things up).

#2: When you crash it (or it does it to itself - it does not crash often), it will open the previous tabs in their respective windows - not all in one.  Often when IE crashes, your tabs are gone.

#3 - and the biggest reason I prefer it - it is not IE!  In that I mean you avoid the bugs that the script kiddies and malware authors love to exploit in IE (should Firefox become #1, I am sure they will target it and I will probably change my main browser).

But that brings up another thing that is not good about Firefox (version 3.x.x).  It does not allow you to "save" tabs when you have multiple windows open until you close the last one.  Unless you crash it.

Still, with all its faults (well not so many, just aggravating), Firefox is my browser of choice. 

Now before someone gets to calling me stupid for missing something obvious on a setting, I will admit that while I have poked around in the options, I am not an expert at them.  So if you know a setting that can ease my gripes about either IE or Firefox, I will be happy to hear them!  Or if you want to tout the wonders of another browser, tell me why it is your favorite.  I am not a browser snob.  I just want a tool that I do not have to crash periodically (Firefox) - or that crashes on me (IE).

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Reply #151 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 139
Anyway, that's all beside the point! Google has NO business eavesdropping to begin with... NOT on unsecured wi-fi connections, telephone connections, supposedly secure sites it has no business being on. I don't know about telephone tapping, but we all know Google tunes into wi-fi connections while doing its rounds collecting map data.... and my former brother-in-law is one of many who are patently aware that Google went on to a member only dating site and published details about them that were not intended for public consumption/scrutiny.
End of starkers's quote

starkers, take a look at this:  http://historiesofthingstocome.blogspot.com/2011/02/google-planning-interplanetary-internet.html

Reply #152 Top

That guy is weird.

Reply #153 Top

I installed Pale Moon a few days ago and am really loving it!  Thanks for letting me know it existed!

Also, I just installed Internet Explorer 9 and really love that one too so far.  It's really fast and shows more of the website you are visiting.  Seems stable too.

Reply #154 Top

Then you are one of the lucky ones. Mine is history. I switch between Opera and FF4. Palemoon I use when I need to upload something.

Reply #155 Top

Quoting Uvah, reply 148
So ... hows them browsers doin'?
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I fear I'm going to end up being one of those people with 4 different browsers installed, pointed to different places.  I do like Opera best in general, but for example I'm going to have to have Pale Moon or FF4 pointed here so I can friggin' quote something.  I want IE pointed somewhere else because it deals with that site best (that's "best", not "fastest").  Chrome seems more compatible than Opera and a little faster to me but I'm just not crazy about how it handles in general and like some other folks I have trouble getting past the "Google" in "Google Chrome".

I imagine ol' Ben Franklin would build his own browser.  And I bet it'd be a good one.

Reply #156 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 151
starkers, take a look at this: http://historiesofthingstocome.blogspot.com/2011/02/google-planning-interplanetary-internet.html
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I wouldn't put it past Google to lay claim to any space based internet that may eventuate.... gotta have a finger in every pie.

Hehe, now wouldn't that just be the best laugh ever.... ET already owns the rights to space based internet and sues Google for trillions.

:w00t: :rofl: }:) :rofl:

Oh how I'd love to see that.

Shoot, I'd even pay for front row seats. :w00t:

Reply #158 Top

Lots and lots of popcorn. :rofl: :rofl:

Reply #159 Top

With a cane has fish to take those of the neighbor when we have no more !!! :-"

Reply #160 Top

Quoting happyboy7, reply 153
I installed Pale Moon a few days ago and am really loving it! Thanks for letting me know it existed!
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You're welcome. :)

Reply #161 Top

Quoting lecajef, reply 159
With a cane has fish to take those of the neighbor when we have no more !!!
End of lecajef's quote

OOkaaay. o_O

Reply #163 Top

I use opera on my netbook for things i need a bigger viewing area for . Its compact around the tabs and address bar, and I play a text based html massive multiplayer game. It is the browser of choice for some of the things you do in the game and you can adjust the settings for flipping through the tabs, etc. Tribal wars is the game in case you are curious. For things like this site, my other blogs, diaries, facebook, and gmail I use FF4.

On the kids desktop I have them using firefox. It is an old 700mhz tower so i am weary of upgrading to 4. I like the speed dial feature. I have 9 kids sites loaded in the speed dial and the kids can open FF and pick their chosen web site. Great for kids who cant read yet. its slow, but i honestly think its the processor and ram, not ff3.x Some of the "flashy" sites crash the computer, but most kids games work ok.

Some guy is afraid of chrome that i know, he tells me google is spying. whatever, i am not that interesting, but I dont use it. Its on our adult desktop for our 12 year old daughter so that she has her own browser that she can keep her mail and facebook logged into, and she can add bookmarks etc.

My husband uses opera for the desktop, because he plays tribal wars too. When I use the desktop I use FF4 just because I don't want to fuck up my husbands browser, sign him out of anything, close his tabs, etc.

We use our browsers this way on our three computers because we share them. Windows user accounts suck, take too long to switch back and forward.

Reply #164 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 145

kona, no disrespect intended: There's a murder that does make sense?


How about the murder of evil dictators?
End of kona0197's quote

Or a murder of crows. ;)

Reply #165 Top

Quoting starkers, reply 147
For example, while a company can place surveillance cameras in public areas of their premises, they cannot put them in areas where personal privacy can be compromised... eg, private conference/consultation rooms.
End of starkers's quote

This is true here as well.  When I indicated that private citizens can do more than the government, I did not mean to imply the private citizens can do anything.

 

Reply #166 Top

Quoting Heavenfall, reply 149
I think we are slowly reaching a consensus that if Benjamin Franklin would be alive today, he would think most of us are idiots. And he'd use firefox.
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:grin:

Reply #167 Top

Quoting DaveRI, reply 155
I imagine ol' Ben Franklin would build his own browser.  And I bet it'd be a good one.
End of DaveRI's quote

He would have his own source of electicity! ;)

Quoting PlainJane55, reply 163
I use opera on my netbook for things i need a bigger viewing area for . Its compact around the tabs and address bar, and I play a text based html massive multiplayer game. It is the browser of choice for some of the things you do in the game and you can adjust the settings for flipping through the tabs, etc. Tribal wars is the game in case you are curious. For things like this site, my other blogs, diaries, facebook, and gmail I use FF4.
End of PlainJane55's quote

Good idea!  I currently use Chrome for that (when I want to hit a site quickly and with maximum screen area), but may start using Opera.

Quoting PlainJane55, reply 163
On the kids desktop I have them using firefox. It is an old 700mhz tower so i am weary of upgrading to 4. I like the speed dial feature.
End of PlainJane55's quote

700mhz?  I am surprised it is still usable!  Ouch!  I have a 2.4ghz (single core) that is a dog.

Reply #168 Top

Another shitty development. Now palemoon isn't letting me log in to WC. Tried four times and no go. Getting sick of these damn things.

Reply #169 Top

Uvah, is this the same laptop that has been giving you problems?  Is there any chance that it might be your connection to the internet?

Reply #170 Top

The laptop is fine and so far the connect has not been acting up. I used palemoon this morning and when I first got here. It started all of a sudden like. Like the ads I mentioned. I have seen them only twice since I posted the screenshot and that was how long ago. These things are happening sporadically. They aren't consistent as you'd expect glitches to be. Normally when I log open with palemoon it goes right to the WC home page and I'm logged in automatically. I refreshed the page and was logged off. I closed it and that's when it happened.

Reply #171 Top

This post is with palemoon. I still have FF4 open. I minimized FF4 and opened palemoon. It opened normally already logged in. Go figure. Why didn't it work before. that was exactly one hour ago.

Reply #172 Top

Quoting Uvah, reply 168
Another shitty development. Now palemoon isn't letting me log in to WC. Tried four times and no go. Getting sick of these damn things.
End of Uvah's quote

I have noticed from time to time WC does not like Firefox either. Takes minutes to load pages.

Reply #173 Top

firefox ... humm

safari...humm

opera...humm

pale moon...humm

IE6...7...8...9...google...google crome...

to much ....

 

Reply #175 Top

allons faire un safari ensemble ma bleue d'amour pendant q'ils font la guerres des navigateurs sur cette planete... <3