Thats why its ridiculous.

4. Dude, how the hell should I know? Are you even listening to yourself now?

5. Anatomically speaking, I dont care. Its awesome. Nuf said.

6. Uhm, why are you surprised? When someone corrects me when I'm wrong, I acknowledge that.

7. Hmm, I never really thought of that You might be right, then again, I'm not sure. Anyway, it doesnt matter cause like I said, he isnt a close friend.

No, you double-posted.

"My Pokemans. Let me show you them"

Bitch...

Anyway;

4. That was more of a trick question, since the Ottoman's were an Arabic empire, and I assume that you're Aryan.

5. Depends whether you're giving or receiving

6. Normally if someone disagrees or argues with you you rant and rage* for pages on end until they either give up or you're proven right. I kinda expected the same treatment. lol

7. Nothing like that really matters with friends... that is, if they suddenly come out of the closet by introducing your ear to their tongue, you might have a problem.

Xer0 \^/

5. Any port in the storm. . . .

I take the reports given in the Bible as truth. Lilith isn't in the Bible AT ALL, therefore Lilith does not, did not, nor ever will, exist.

I am not saying that a person can't have the name 'Lilith', but that the idea of 'Lilith' being the first woman is preposterous.

I'm anti-vasectomy&-fallopian tube typing but that's more of a 'cause it's extreme' thing. Condoms, meh, I'd never use them, but then again I'll only ever have sex with my wife, when I get married. Abortion I consider to be morally wrong, as I believe life begins at conception, not some arbitrary point during the pregnancy.

As for birth control, I'm not 'anti-birth-control'; after all the best method of birth control is abstinence (only abstinence is 100% effective, barring one-time occurences of divine intervention). I'm simply saying that from a purely secular POV homosexuality is illogical and incompatible with human wetware programming.

From a Biblical POV it's a case of morality.

I'm singling these three things out because they interest me and I have a different opinion on it.

2. I dispute the fact that homosexuality is genetic/epigenetic. As per debating rules, the burden of proof is on you. Cough up the evidence, or kindly retract the statement.

5. I dispute the idea that sexual relations between a man and woman is repulsive. There are cases of perspective-based 'grossness'/'repulsiveness', but generally speaking, I really want to get married to the right gal and get into her pants.

7. I dispute this. Once again, cough up the evidence, or retract the statement.

There are three things I'll point out:

1. You obviously aren't particularly familiar with the Bible, at all, because there isn't a Creation account in the New Testament. Genesis, which details Creation, is the first book of the Old Testament. Keep in mind that the 1st five books of the OT (the 'Torah'/'Pentateuch') are part of the Jewish canon. The whole OT is Jewish canon, but the Torah is of particular significance as it details the Jewish religious laws.

2. You've had sex? And here I thought you agreed that abstinence was best, unless you were being sarcastic. Sarcasm is difficult to detect on the Internet.

Additionally, I really think that sex is one of those 'ZOMG IMAH GONNA GET SOME TANITE!' things in some aspects.

3. 'Bi-curious', eh? Well, I've never had that whole thing happen before. TBH, it probably stems from the fact that I've never actually though girls were 'gross'. At least not that I can remember, and my earliest fragments of memory go back to when I was like four years old.

If a female friend of mine decided to introduce my ear to their tongue, then, well, I'll let it go.

If a dude decided to do that, well, then he'd probably have a large number of broken body parts. Probably several removed areas of anatomy (ears, tongue, eyes, maybe fingers; I'm not messin with genitals, it's too messy for my tastes; plus I prefer the idea of flaying the skin of someone).

Define giving/receiving. I get the general idea, but you'll need to be more specific.

Also, don't call Morph a 'bitch'. He's a man, so he'd be a 'bastard'. Alternately, you can use a Southern dialect spelling and say 'Bastud'.

And there are sooooo many ways that can be interpreted wrongly. IMO, there are some places that just shouldn't get poked around in, but hey, with male+female, I guess it's whatever floats your boat.

LOL, Whiskey has become a PRO at debating. Well done, mate

4. Uhm, FAIL. I cant remember the exact names atm, but Greeks descended from 3 different tribes. 1 came from the north, 1 came from the west, and 1 came from the northeast (relevant to Greece's position on the map, that is).

5. Sometimes I think you're being intentionally stupid, I swear to God.

6. Not really, I do that when I really believe I'm right.

7. Read #5.

I like how people base their beliefs and whole religion on 1 book (the bible), or other similar books, written by someone else, and translated like 1 million times.

Of course it is!!!!

It doesnt matter, because at such a young age, you havent developed any kind of sexual desires at all.

Heh, I would probably respond in the same way, but that would be just wrong.

I prefer "self-righteous son of a bitch"

"My Pokemans. Let me show you them"

The Whiskey Troll is awakening...

And Xer07's Influence is spreading....

And I am agreeing with most of the non-insulting things Morph is saying...

I have concluded there is only one logical explaination...

Xer07 has brainwashed everyone but me

-Twilight Storm

Meh, I read lots of debating stuff. Particularly one website that is half pro-Galactic Empire propaganda and half legitimate Star Wars vs Star Trek debating.

Lots of interesting debates, and lots of info and tips on debating.

Having also read lots of 4chan helps on the trolling. But 4chan is part of a past that I'm no longer willing to go with.

"Whiskey Troll", heh? Well, not quite. I can (and have) troll(ed). But I can also debate quite well, or at least I'm coming into my own in that manner. See above for reasons.

Xer07's influence spreading? Not really, I'd say.

And the most logical explanation is that Xer07's return has disrupted the pace of the forums. In a few days, it'll be more normalized.

Brainwashing is simply illogical; Occam's Razor dictates the simplest&most workable answer is the real one, so brainwashing's out of the question. It's too difficult to work it in.

So Morph. If we discovered an alien race that really really hated us, and made it their business to try and kill us at every available opportunity, what would be your response?

I'ma guess he'd try to find out why they hate us...just sayin...

-Twilight Storm

That's what I think as well...

My response:

"Ask not why kill the Xeno; rather, ask why not."

It's a case of 'us or them'. And I'd rather it be them, because even if I end up all alone, I really don't think I'll like the company of the female of said species.........if it even has a female.

Why they hate is irrelevant in the short term. In the long term, maybe it will be relevant.

Personally I don't think it would ever be relevant because I'd be advocating a 'nuke them to hell' approach, and basically erasing all evidence of their existence from galaxy.

I'd issue an ultimatum first, saying that if they aren't prepared to sort their problems peacefully, we will be at war, and if they attack our territories, then we will fight back. Depending on the overall situation, I would advocate storming some of their territory to show that we aren't to be messed with.

PS who else likes the portrayal of humanity in Mass Effect? I think it is very interesting. Rather than being an underdog species, we are secretly feared for being unpredictable, cut-throat, and highly militaristic. Makes more sense than every other species being able to effortlessly curbstomp us as happens in most media.

Most species being able to curbstomp humanity is usually a result of them being Spess Elves, bio-engineered super-predators, or killing machines.

Or psychic dudes who have no sense of decorum.

Of course, I've never actually played (or even delved into) Mass Effect at all. That said, I rather like how humanity is portrayed in Vega Strike, but that's probably just me and the space-operatic style of VS. After all, I rather think the idea of a unified humanity is rather trite (Star Trek really has the effect of driving this home); of course, I also consider the same thing of an alien species unless there's actually a good reason for said species to be heavily unified.

But I've also got this whole thing against Star Trek because of the hyper-unified thing, pseudo-moralistic plot elements from TNG onwards, pseudo-spirituality in DS9 and Voyager, and probably the idea that the Federation of ST fame is presented as a utopia, an ideal society.

But it simply would not work. The common Trekkie response is 'x Scifi series isn't perfect either', but generally speaking, none of those are portrayed as perfect. Case in point: Star Wars; the Galactic Empire is almost always considered 'evil' in the original SW trilogy.

But not the Federation; it's lauded as a great paradise, a utopia.

And now I realize I've gone off on a great tangent that had no bearing on the subject at hand.

Most Trekkies tend to neglect a few episodes in regard to this. I'll dig through my DS9 collection in a little while to find some if you'd like to see a perspective showing the Federation's flaws.

Whiskey:

Lilith - And this is why I don't engage in religious debates, you always fall back on your faith because of the assumption it's true. As of yet I don't have the right to take your faith from you, so I'll leave this issue be.

Birth Control - Hm. Starting to sound more and more Catholic, but again I have no right to remove you from your faith, so do as you please. My only issue with the bible is that (as far as I can remember reading, it's been 9 years) clothing is a sign of removal from the Garden of Eden, or of having eaten the Forbidden Fruit. Can't remember which, but either way isn't clothing a symbol of having sinned?

Genetics of Homosexuality - Studies have shown that homosexual males have an enlarged brain lobe (can't remember the exact name, my Psychology book is currently trapped under 3 feet of snow at school), have had siblings or family members turn gay, and that the more elder brothers a boy has, the more likely he is to be homosexual. Similarly, Identical twins have a higher percenatage rate of sharing the same sexual orientation compared to Fraternal Twins, confirming that the identical genetics of the identical twins influence their rate of homosexuality. Females are slightly different in terms of brain anomolies, but other than that the same statistics apply.

Digust/Acceptance of Sex between Hetero couples - I'm speaking anatomically, again, not literally.

Bible Stories - To be completely honest I have never finished any passage, selection, or story from the bible. 

Sex? - I'm going to be honest and confess that I've never had sex, but thanks to Hannah my knowledge of such has been, unfortunatly, greatly increased to the point of wanting a memore eraser for Christmas.

BiCurious - "Happens to the best of us" as in it happens more frequently than we expect. Theories about Abraham Lincoln being gay still fly around today.

Ear to Tongue and Back Again - You can't beat a man for doing something a girl would do to you as a sign of affection, since it's not legally rape, just sexual harassment.

The "B" Words - A "Bitch" is either a female dog, or a slang insulting term generally used to describe sleezy girls. "Bastard" is a son without a father. Don't use the word in company, as I fit the defintion.

Morpheas:

Greek? - I'm a little light on the History of the world outside of Southern Asia, Great Britain, France, Australia, Prussia/Germany and the America's, sorry.

Stoopit - It helps the comic relief a little.

Books are for Blasphemy - I love the whole "Bible to God and God to Bible" theory more.

The S in Sex is for... - Nobody comments on Whiskey's contradicting statements "I only want to sleep with my wife" and "ZOMG IMA GET SOME TONITE!!!"... ?

Boyhood Troubles - According to Sigmund Frued, all children have secret incestual lust for their parent of the opposite sex, but since we can't compete with our parent of the same sex we repress it and move on. However, this theory was abandoned due to lack of evidence.

Insert Here - Again, unless it's rape, you can't respond with such force.

Oatsey:

Mommy, why did Hitler kill the Jews? - I find this a rather bland topic of discussion, if they hate us it's probably why we hate cockroaches, rats, etc, : overall feelings of superiority and stature. A person dies, a funeral is held. A rat dies, the garbage needs taken out. Same principle.

All:

Sorry for the long post. -

Xer0 \^/

I actually never knew that any Trek series depicted the Federation as anything other than a paradise/utopia. It's nice to know that there's something in Trek that says the Federation isn't all 'tea and crumpets', to use a Limey's way.

Of course I always fall back on faith; a man who has 'nothing', still has 2 things: faith and his life. Only one of those can really be given up, and it's not faith.

I wanted to address this part on its own. First off, you can't take away faith. It's intangible; faith is, at its most basic, belief in an idea. You can't take away a belief. You can try to change it, alter it, or repress it, and you'll probably fail more often than not.

Taking away the right to exercise said faith is a different can of worms altogether; if that's what you meant, then you can be sure the day you try to take away the right for me to exercise my faith, I will be doing very bad things to people who try such things.

Well, as far as Catholicism goes, I disagree with the Catholic church on probably 80% or more of their doctrinal positions. Catholicism isn't faith; it's religion based upon a checklist for ensuring eternal life.

That's not how real Christianity works; it's based on faith in God, acknowledgement of Man's condition of sin and the fact that only by God's grace can Man be saved from sin.

Read it. Really, reading the Bible very well could help you. And to be honest, I don't think clothing is a sign of having sinned; during the Millennial Reign of Christ and then the worship of God for eternity, I'm 99% certain that clothing will still be used.

So really, it's probably down to a modesty thing; I don't think you'd be particularly eager to walk around without clothing, now would you?

I'd like to point out that 'studies have shown......can't remember the exact name' doesn't count as providing the proof. I'll need a definitive source, that's better than 'can't remember the exact name'.

Other than that, I'm still calling BS.

I'll address these simultaneously.

1. Even anatomically, I'm not really grossed out by the whole sex act. There's parts of anatomy/biology that I dislike discussing, or even thinking about (why would anyone use the anus for that?), but I have to say that, on the most basic level, sex between humans is like plugging your phone charger into the wall socket (only technically reversed in some ways).

2. Bible 'stories': I advise you to read the Bible. In fact, I will give you 10 Karma, if you provide proof that have read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and everything in-between.

3. 'BiCurious': Abraham Lincoln isn't everybody. I have never had such a thought/feeling/impulse ever.

4. 'Ear to Tongue&Back Again': Yes, well, I'd put up with it from a girl, because she's a girl. I'm not going to beat up a woman for licking my ear, though I will probably later ask her not to do so again, but in private.

A guy on the other hand, I consider such an act as detrimental to my physical well being. Hence, violence is required as the response.

5. "B" Words: well, I apologize for the term. I didn't know that you represented the term.

6. 'Books are for Blasphemy': I'm not sure what you're getting at with this point; if it's that anything but the Bible is blasphemous, then I heartily disagree with the idea; I love reading fiction (science fiction in particular).

As for the Bible, God divinely inspired several men over the course of probably a few thousand years, to write it. While there are some poetical parts (Psalms, Song of Solomon being prominent), there's also some insanely useful bits of advice in it.

In fact, the entire Biblical book of Proverbs is dedicated to giving sound, Biblical, practical, advice for life.

7. 'S in Sex': Is it so wrong to have a lustful eye for one's wife? Come on, you don't think that marriage blunts sex drive do you? Being very turned on by one's spouse is part of the marital relationship.

8. 'Boyhood Troubles': I dispute this. First, provide the specific publication where Frued says as much, and second, I've never had anything remotely close to that feeling. Lack of evidence, in this case, probably means that the evidence simply doesn't exist.

9. 'Insert Here': I'm not sure how this corresponds to rape. I simply maintain that I think that in heterosexual sex there are some things that simply shouldn't be tried, and that IFear's comment could be interpreted in a number of (possibly perverted) ways.

Lots of stuff to respond to, today, so lets get started.

The Whiskey Troll isnt awakening, it has awakened a long time ago

Xer07's "influence" is not spreading, like you say, rather than he is just really active, and posts a lot every day.

And what do you mean you are agreeing with most things I said?? Surely you must be joking, right?

Heh, no matter your influences, you have improved a lot since you first came to these forums

True, true. And right now its a little too fast paced for my tastes.

Uhm Storm's comment about brain-washing was metaphorical

Is that referring to something, that someone has posted? Or is it an irrelevant question that just popped out of your head? Cause I cant be digging into previous pages to look for it atm, and certainly cant remember.

Quote the reply you're referring to, if you do.

So my answer is:  Assuming I somehow have control over the entire human population, and that my decisions will be followed no matter what (which will never happen, btw), (and because you didnt specify any circumstances in your question, I am assuming that it is what you meant), I would first begin negotiating with them, trying to contact them over distance, and speaking to them any way possible (maybe a code, or images, I dunno). Trying to find out why they want to destroy us, where they came from, and what their demands are, if any. If negotiations failed for any kind of reason, then yeah, give them hell, fighting for our species' survival. If the first stage of negotiating was a success, and I was able to send them away without any bloodshed, then thats even better. But not before I found out how much of a threat are they (like what tech they possess, their population, etc), where exactly did they came from, and the possibilities of them coming back to destroy us. If on the other hand, there isnt even time for negotiations of any sort, then I wouldnt really have much of a choice, but to fight back.

He he, thats the Whiskey I know!

'Kill'em, KILL'EM ALL!!!'

I do. It has a very unique feeling, because it gives me the impression that everything somehow revolves around humans.

Also, the battle system is very nice, combining strategy with FPS action.

But if you did, you probably would

Yeah, you're still being paranoid. Anatomically speaking, there is nothing wrong or repulsive. Thats what I wanted to say before.

Whaaaaaa?

Dude, what does that have to do with anything?

And who says that you cant beat a man in that area? Thats ridiculous.

Ok, you're a bastard then

Ok, then why even act smug about something you know nothing about? Do I need to remind you of your Ottoman reference?

Whoa, you seriously FAIL at FAILING

Dude, I cant freaking try to find out where you're referring to? That little word alone doesnt ring a bell.

Learn to quote, jeez!

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More irrelevant stuff please

Ok, I am GOING to reply to this:

1. Learn to quote plox.

2. I have NO IDEA why I am such a freaking idiot trying to find out where exactly each specific part of Xer07's post is referring to

3. Please dont try to answer to everyone and everything, because you obviously FAIL at it. NOOB

4. I saw a 3-leg cat today. The earth is round, not flat. My computer is kinda outdated atm, I could use a CPU upgrade. Who puts remote controls inside socks?? Trees are green. May, from the Pokemon anime, is kinda cute. Boogers are gross.

I am NOT sorry for the long post. SUCK IT B!ATC#ES

"My Pokemans. Let me show you them"

I agree with everything that Whiskey said. And not because I like him and usually agree with him, but because he is using common sense and logic about all these matters, in his last post

Now for my part of randomness:

"My Pokemans. Let me show you them"

People have written books on this. Many books. We are yet to find a reasonable single explanation explaining why people hate other people. Bland? Perhaps in your eyes, but many people disagree. Maybe you lack my endless motivation to find out what makes people "tick."

You know me better than this Morph!

It's the second one.

In this he is referring to the imaginary alien race which hates us. He is effectively telling us that it is pointless to try and find out why people hate each other.

So Xer0, still planning on joining the army?

VIDEO. IS. WIN.

At least the 15 seconds of it that I managed to watch before needing to turn to more serious ventures. However, I do not advocate or approve of running around with a drill while screaming maniacally.

Off-Topic (like anything we say isn't off-topic anyway): who else thinks that James Cameron's Avatar sucks?

I'd say that Avatar doesn't suck, per say... It was just massively over-hyped. It's basically Dances with Wolves in space (sort of).

I haven't seen it, but I've read/heard a lot about it.

And IMO, any civilization that has slower-than-light, interstellar capabilities is going to curbstomp a bunch of blue monkey people who barely have fire so badly that it's not even funny.

It's like the Empire of SW fame vs. the Federation. It's a massive curbstomp so bad that it's simply like "yup, they never had a chance".

Screw those silly AMP suits and all that ground hardware. They knew that their were blue monkey people their, and they'd studied them enough to create a mind-uploading/telepresence body thingy for a human cripple dude (who sends a friggin' cripple on a mission where the other crew are almost certainly in prime fitness?!), then they probably had all the information to create a tailored bioweapon.

If all else fails, then firebombing from fucking orbit would work. I'm sorry, but there's no way even a freaking corporation could fuck that up so badly. Look at Weyland-Yutani; they didn't care about the team of Colonial Marines they sent in in Aliens, so why would they care about the native blue monkey people when there are massive profits to be made by selling unobtainium?

Though personally, I think Cameron should have called the material 'MacGuffinite', because that's what it was; a plot contrivance so that he'd have an excuse for the evil corporation to come and try to take the shiny metal. Unobtainium doesn't even qualify as something you use in a plot; it's a term used to describe items that we can't build now, but based on our understanding of physics would work 'so-and-such'.

A high-powered laser cannon is unobtainium, for example. A magic metal that is super-valuable, is not. Said magic metal is MacGuffinite.

Cameron's stupidity is pretty staggering. I'll concede that at least most of the Terminator and Alien series movies were good.

Hmm, figures.

Yeah, and I'm supposed to figure that out

Anyway, aliens are not humans, and they have nothing to do with our society. Thus, they may very well have understandable and logical reasons as to why they want to destroy us. And I said "MAY", as in, there is a possibility.

Yeah, and he is gonna kill a lot of Jews!

1. Of course that video is WIN, and

2. Why did you only watch 15 sec of it? That was merely the intro, the good stuff is later on.

Btw, I totally approve of running around with a drill while screaming maniacally, as well as being totally retarded sometimes.

SuperEd86 = Awesome dude

If you want to ROFL any time of the day, just watch the whole series

I havent watched it.

LOLZ! Is that really its actual name in the movie, or did you just make that up?

"My Pokemans. Let me show you them"