You're gonna have to prove you're American to be my President

Considering Obama has gone to great lengths to hide his birth certificate and other records such as college transcripts, it's pretty obvious he has something to hide.

I agree but this is one of those situations where I am truly scared of the possibility of him not being a born citizen. I am not sure I want to know. This could truly crush my patriotism. I can tolerate people voting for an idiot for President but for a not-born-in-the-US person to become President because we did not put enough importance to this is not only the most scariest thing I can imagine but a National Security threat as far as I'm concerned. Just the thought of it makes me lose faith in my country.

I don't thinkit's your patriotism that you should worry about. Hell, that would be the one thing that would ring true in this nation.

It would be the gigantic 'undo' button we would have to press. It would be the level of civil unrest.

I can't stand the guy but like it or not he is the president and that should be the way it stays until he is voted out.

one more thing-

It doesn't really matter what they do in Arizona. He will just sign an executive order delcaring Arizona to be a state full of dumb, redneck hillbillies. 

Hmm, maybe we can borrow the 'Reset' button we gave to the Russians?

Probably, the civil unrest would definitely be big, especially with the Tea Partiers. They will be the ones most people will fear the most.

I figured the same which is why i said if they do manage to get this passed. But it's not like something like a little law can stop this Administration from getting what they want.

BTW, nice to see you still around. I can't help but ask how come you usually only show your face in my articles? How come you don';t comment on other articles? Just wondering.

Is that the one that looks like the Staples Easy button?

This morning I thought the lies had all caught up with Obama when I saw the Fox news flash: "Arrest warrant issued for Hussein" I was disappointed to learn that it was actually for Saddam's daughter.

You really *are* crazy.

Tell me, what considers an acceptable proof of birth? What can the state accept or refuse?

There has been a certificate of live birth  provided by him for a long time. Those who have examined it first-hand all have approved of its authenticity. Newspaper records shows that Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama gave birth at that exact same time.

Hawaiian officials have found in their record evidence concording with the provided certificate of Live birth.

What more do you want? What more can any serious court really demand?

A birth certificate, which up until now he has not provided according to the Media but as I stated I have doubts he could have been even a Senator without it so I did give him the benefit of the doubt in my article. Did I not?

Care to link where this has been mentioned cause till now I have yet to hear anything about him providing the birth certificate he refused to make public before. Please provide a link or source and we can then take this more seriously.

Don't ask me, ask Arizona. They the ones wanting this bill passed. While, again, I doubt Obama could be anything other than an American born here (doesn't mean it's not possible he isn't) I have to wonder why Arizona politicians would want to require this. I seriously doubt politicians could be this stupid to forcefully request a document thru legal means that, according to you (no source provided), has already been provided. There has to be a reason such a request is being made thru legal channels. Otherwise what would be the point to go thru all of this, publicly, just to force someone to provide a document that has already been provided? To justify their budget? That would definitely be sad regardless what party they are from.

Why am I crazy? Because I am concerned that the man who is currently the leader of the free world, the President of the US, the Commander in Chief of the most powerful military forces in the world might not be American born, especially since apparently he refuses to disclose his birth certificate? If caring about the truth makes me crazy then I accept the title but I refuse to ignore the possible existence of such a situation that could destroy the very document that makes it illegal, the Constitution.

In your mind you think I am dissecting Obama because he is Democrat and Black but while I do lean Conservative, my concern is with protecting my country, what it stands for and the documents that make it what it is. Had he been Conservative or Independent I would be concerned all the same. I tire of people allowing politician to get away with things just because he/she is of a particular race or because he/she is of their political party. Enough is enough.

If you can't provide a source or a link to your claims that he provided a birth certificate then for now your comment is simply that, a comment.

The following links show how so far no certificate has been provided:

Link

Link

Now here's something interesting. According to Snopes.com a certificate was provided in 2008. Link As you can see I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt and now I find this article on snopes.com. Even more, the article provides a link to an image of the certificate itself: Link

Is it proof, could be. But if people are still questioning then why is the President who claimed his Administration would be transparent doing everything he can to keep his original birth certificate hidden from the public? Would it not make more sense to show it and shut everyone up? Perhaps someone can explain a good reason why he needs to hide it?

I think the question should rather be, if the proof has been provided, and certified by third-parties, as stated here

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

and here

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

why are people asking for further proof?

You claim that the president should yield to the people asking him for proofs of his birth in the USA. If he had never provided such proof, I'd be with you. But he had. And people as still asking him for proof, even if such proof has already been provided.

As for your two original links, they don't actually say anything, except that people are harassing the state of Hawaii to divulge what the SoH considers private document, and the SoH hasn't yet.

No, because you insist on asking for document which equivalent has already been released and certified, out of a petty political grudge worthy of those who accused Bush of wacking off during Vietnam.

I think there are a number of reason why he will not do it.

1) - There is no point

A number of the people who not belive the certificate already realised, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health, the newspaper record etc will never belive any evidence that is produced. 

Look at the number of people who belive that 9/11 was an inside job by Bush, that the Holocaust didn't happen - no evidence in the world will convice them.

The attacks will still continue and will just claim that the lastest evidence is forged

2) - Giving into them gives the claim credence

3) - Giving into them will just make it look like obama can be badgered and the badgering will not stop and just move onto something else

The cost benfit just doesn't stack up - he will not win enough people over and he will lose more than he gains.

From what I understand this document is not the original but a duplicate (legal duplicate) and people still have doubts. But these doubts would probably not exist if he did not try so hard to keep the original document hidden. Tell me Cikomyr, what good reason would he have to be so persistent about hiding the document? What harm would it cause to show it? Makes no sense to me, perhaps you have a good reason, and I don't mean "because he wants to" reasoning.

I am not insisting, this article is not about me being persistent over this birth certificate debate but about Arizona trying to pass a bill requiring Presidential candidates to provide a birth certificate. How ever I can't ignore that Obama and his people are trying really hard to keep that document public and I don't see any legit reason why?

Let me ask you, what if the document he refuses to show tells a different story? What if Obama ran under a lie? Not everyone is saying he is although some believe he is lying. But I believe this kind of issue should be resolved and only Obama can do that by simply showing the original which I have yet to figure out why he refuses. I just can't find any good reason except he just doesn't want to and if so then just say it and that would be good enough for me.

Pshaw!  You do not need a BC to get around in the US.  A passport is sufficient!  Which is good for me since my BC has a different name on it than does my passport (and all other legal documents I have).\

The stupid thing is I got my Passport before I was told I was legally adopted, yet it has my adopted name on it (I came to find out later I was never adopted, so technically, my legal name is my BC name).

Good to see Just John posting!  How are the babies? (toddlers now I guess).

One other point to be made - for the benefit of Cikomyr and others.

At this point I really do not care if Obama is or is not legal.  He is president.  But I applaud Arizona and hope other states follow suit so that there will never again be the controversy we have today, period! 

I don't care about Obama's birth certificate. I would like to see his college transcripts. The media tells us how "intelligent" he is (as compared to Bush being a moron), so why not flaunt his genius for the world to see? I'm a bit anxious to see what kind of education my affirmative action tax dollars bought anyway.

I have no problem with Arizona asking for proof before being placed on a ballot. Perhaps flaps such as this one can be avoided in the future. It might be a good step for all states to make.

Cikomyr - I'm not a regular around here anymore but if memory serves me ... you aren't a US citizen - right?

It is important to question government. It is important to question them at every move, rule or ruling. Without and adequate check system, we might as well roll over and take it up the ass because we are bound to get screwed.

Politicians in America serve their own special interests no mater wich side of the isle they sit on. They are ready to sell out to the highest bidder in the event they need to get things done.

We the people are left to keep them in check. Since we don't get to vote for them daily, we have to make our vioces heard. Even if that means you are questioning the right of someone to serve as POTUS.

He is Canadian. From Quebec I believe.

Doc - they are hardly babies anymore. They are almost 3.5 yrs old. CRAZY!

I have recently joined the ranks of the mentally insane. I started coaching them and 11 others in T-ball.

That explains a lot - I love Canadians but I have never met a bigger bunch of ass holes than folks from Quebec.

And the mindless insults begin. Keep going, you'll soon join those who say I get a hard thinking about american soldiers getting killed.

You don't know me, you don't know my people. You don't know the least thing about our history.

I think Basmas made a good case as to why the president, at that point, shouldn't cave in to those demand. You always claim he is a weak president, well he's going to be even weakier if he ever yield to the Birthers, even if there isn't any more doubt afterwhile.  But you know that even if he procure the original, there will be still people denying it's a true one.

You seen this on the Bush years. Some people just thrive on protest and denial.

Also, there is many reason as to why the original hasn't been procured. The most obvious reason is that the original might have been destroyed. Obama moved a lot during his youth, and a fire, flood, or simply lost luggage might have meant the lost of the original, with only legal duplicates being able to be provided.