If you're saying we should be disqualified instead of letting Ninki play if one of the dedicated players can't make it; then I don't agree with that argument because if you lose with Ninki as a sub, you would have lost to the original team also and in theory tournaments should be won by the best players.

And If you're upset that you don't have any friends to sub in case you can't make it, well then I'm sorry.  I'd gladly play vs a team using a sub rather then move on just because they have a guy missing.  If you cut your argument down to one essential statement you're basically saying "I mad that I won't get a free win if one of you doesn't show up."

If the person subbing could actually hotkey all their actions I might care enough to say something... but as it is...

also ya ninki basically said HEY I THINK JANOOK IS NOT DEAD!  YOU CAN PLAY WITH HIM.

Then he toodled on msn and said nothing else. I wonder if Janook even knows...

you can sign me up with Sebacoyl

My take is winner take all at this point.  Be aware that I, at this point, have people that have PLEDGED money.  No one has has actually paid their pledge as of right this second.  My goal is to have all of the money collected before the tourney starts.  I expect a few people will pay today. 

I say no 30 second grace rule.  Its not all that difficult to micro your monks. I agree that it sucks to have your monks stuck in the citadel because of a lame bug, but the only times I've lost monks to the citadel was because I wasn't paying attention for 2 seconds after spawning.  It can be easily avoided, so I say no grace. 

we still haven't bottomed this out.  Keep coming with feedback otherwise I will simply make a decision.  And my decision will be some simple rule (like whoever won the 2nd match gets to pick).  And it does matter, because whoever is on light gets to wait while the players on dark pick first.  If you are awesome with all characters, you will surely what to change characters to counter a team's choices instead of just picking the same 2 dgs over and over.  IMO - whoever is on light should have a better chance of beating the team on dark if all players are awesome. 

Unless there is a STRONG disagreement, then I would say yes - tier 1 bound be the winners.  Most of the tier 1's (that I've named anyway) are in the tourney.  If someone is not in that list and wins, then they clearly belong there (at the top of the list imo). 

My stance is as follows:  If my teammate drops for whatever reason, the 2 teams should have a brief, but immediate conversation.  If the team that lost a guy thinks they would have won for sure - say "do you think we would have won."  Team 2 will respond, yes or no.  If they say yes, then team 2 should concede.  Take a screen shot if you are concerned.  If there is a disagreement, simply end the game and submit a replay for review.  You should not have to beat down the other team with an AI teammate to win.  Actually, it may lessen your case if you try to do so and fail.  You might even want to simply concede if you teammate drops and the discuss the probable outcome outside of the game.  We can and will review matches as needed.

I'm just going to make a simple call on this now.  In the instance of ninki subbing for 50 people if needed, I'll allow it as long as ninki would only sub 1 time MAX per round (eg ninki doesn't simply become the other partner for everyone in GM).  I expect that the window for finishing a round will be ample enough to accommodate even GM   We are building this tournament for and around the community, you know. I'll listen to arguments.  I honestly don't expect GM to have any real issues with scheduling a single match over a 3 day period or so. 

done - glad you were able to find a teammate!  Added to list.

Why not, and lucky for you I do play Sedna. I'll sub for anyone for that matter but of course my babies take first priority. I do warn you though, that does not mean I will win the game for you. Everyone in GM knows that 2v2's aren't my strong suit.

Also, it's not a "special rule" for us if pacov would implement it for everyone. I'm sure ANY team would be allowed a sub if they wanted to, go for it!

And I don't like the rules. Never did, never will but I was done complaining about that over at the other thread a few days ago.

Magnus, he should know I have a partner for him. I told Shane to pass the message but he was too busy with himself. I'll pm him but he should be in.

PS. ThatGuyYouLove/King_of_Thorns will probably need a partner too, so if that happens we'll have 4 GM teams. How amazing.

Hi guys, its not quite sure, but i think i have a new teammate.

His name is KuH.

Yeah he is a totally noob, but so what still my friend and we wanne try some shit:)

Add me as a team with him plz, but ineed to verify it, so i give u a call again pacov if it is a deal with im or not.

Greg

ok - added McGreg and KuH as a team.  Let me know if that does work out and I can move you back to the free agents. 

And my thoughts:

1. Prize money goes to winners only, or second and third place get a piece?

Winner take all

2. We instituting a First Contact or 30 second Grace Period for game start? I.E. Monks stuck in citadel, extremely wrong favor choice, game takes forever to load, etc worth a restart?

No grace period is fine

3. Who gets to select map side in game three and why?

I think magnus' idea of shortest win time of previous two games is a good one.  The qualifying team gets to chose their side, and if they choose Light then the other team has to pick DGs first. 


4. If a team wins the tournament and isn't already there should they automatically qualify for Tier 1?

Yah, if you are beating most of the Tier 1's to win then you should be Tier 1.


5. Can a team who loses to 1 player/1 AI make the argument for a rematch? (I say no, but I thought we should put this one to bed before it happens)

Immediate rematch unless outcome certain


6. Can one player sub for 4 teams? Seems a bit murky

Sure.  If there was any doubt on the primary's level of skill I guess it would be more of an issue. 
 

 

this sounds good enough to me.  Any major objections? 

I'm trying to get ahold of omicron for you bro.  I'll let you know how it goes.

j

Quick question:

Looking back on page 2-3 at Hedgie's system - UB/TB isn't a valid combo, but the chart we are using now allows it.  Which is correct?

Thanks

good question... answer have i not atm.

I think that when we moved Occ to 1.5 points, we dropped TB to 2.5 to keep Occ-TB as a valid combination.

This allows both UB - TB and Rook - TB. 

cool, thanks for clarifying

pacov, you should hire RAWRRRR and I to be commentators so people can listen in if they want to know how the games are going.

It'll be some hot steamy times.

OK - here are some updates.  I'll update the OP sometime today.

The tourney will be a winner take all tourney for prize money.  I'm collecting money from people and will handle issuing the payments via paypal to the individuals on the winning team.  If there is any fee in paypal, that will come out of the total winnings (eg not out of pocket for me). 

We won't be having the 30 second or 1st contact grace period. 

I'm cool with the magnus's idea to have the team that has the fastest win in game 1 or 2 to get to pick the side they want to be on.  The team that is on dark must pick their characters and ready up first.  Then light gets to pick and dark side does not have a chance to adjust their characters. This seems reasonably fair. 

The total amount pledged for this tournament is $120 at this point.  Of that $120, I have received $20 as of today.  Thanks go out to Ke5trel for his generous contribution of $20.  If you would like to contribute to the pot, please pm me and I'll get you the needed info to send me a payment.  If people do not come through on their pledges, I will not be personally covering the difference.  My goal is to collect the pledged amount before the tournament starts and I will be providing updates as I receive the pledged money. 

At this point, I feel very comfortable with using uberfix 1.02beta1.  There is still some testing to do on ptarth's latest version.  If we can vet the latest version, then I'd be pleased to use that version instead.  I'd recommend everyone here take a moment to review the change logs for uberfix so you are aware exactly what bugs are fixed.  At the very least, Oculus has more viable strategies with his abilities working as they were intended. 

edit - GUYS - REGISTRATION WILL CLOSE TOMORROW AT MIDNIGHT.  Time is almost out for you to either find a team or get registered as a free agent. 

I hereby disown mcshane.

Janook+me=team.

Ok - adding janook + gm-magnus333 as a team.

I'd like to play in this tournament. Please put me down as a Free Agent Pacov.

No problem!  AsTheRuinsFall added to free agents.

FYI Omicron got back to me, he'll look at this thread as soon as possible.  He was out of town and just returned and is definitely interested.

j

Here's me saying Kalel and I will be a team.

Hey, so when do we have to play the games...

cause next week == death