That is 47.8 million, not percent.  Which makes them about 15% of the population.  They are the fastest growing segment of the population.

I stand corrected, you are right Doc, 15.8% this year.

If they would only follow the existing laws on the books their would be no issues. I say hammer the employers, from the guy that hires someone to cut their grass right up to the corporations. Fine the $10K per illegal worker. This will help the deficit, it will also save the taxpayers money, as the illegals will go home on their own, without us paying their transportation. Go home and fix the issues in your own country that caused you to leave, instead of transforming the US into where you came from.

You'd be surprised how many groups, well left of center, want to allow illegals to right to vote.

You know, I'm really at a lose as to why legal immigrants want to support their countrymen that are here illegally. Do they crave their homeland so much that they would recreate it here? Why did they leave if that is the case? Resources are finite.

Actually no.  It is a bone they are trying to throw to those against legalizing illegal immigrants.  They want to legalize them (basically whitewash the whole mess), but for those that object to basically legalizing criminal activity, they want the ID card so that "no more" illegals get in once they pass the law.  Which of course is stupid. ALl it will do is make it more expensive for the illegals to get a card (it is only about $150 now to get a SS card and other documentation so they can work).

heaven forbid it was for voting!  They are still suing in some states to prevent a picture ID from being used (provided free by the government if you do not have one).

Oh ya. Ah huh.

What you call stupid I call nuts...it's both and more could be added as well!

It's basically the same as they did in passing so called gun control laws...

That would go some, but the truth is many of the illegals are very grateful for the opportunity to work, and are excellent workers.  In other words, they would still be hired over americans that think they are owed something.

I think Nitro's solution is better.  Fine the hell out of the companies hiring them.

Ok, Boxer day, Politics style!  Where Conservatives rail against the big bad mean corporations and liberals cry how picked on they are!  Because the reality is just that.  Businesses do it because it is cheap (some are dirty too.  One outfit here called the INS on its workers just days before it finished a major construction project - got out of paying them, the bastards).  So business hires, them and then pays the politicians (wink wink) to look the other way and get a nice big fat contribution.

But the other reason is that there are just so many INS agents, and there are 15 million illegals.  NOt all of them carry a sign designating them as such.

But.. it's a matter for the police to investigate on those case,  not on the politicians covering legistlation. It's about the enforcement of the law, not about the laws overseeing the problem.

Well now that we know how it's supposed to work.....

Indeed. But every single time I've heard it mentionned in any American media, it was to make fun at it.

In short, mentionned only as a joke point. Funny, as a binlingual country with one culture being afraid to loose it's core identity is exactly Quebec's struggle. Learning about this struggle and know what are the proper steps to preserve your own would actually be helpful to you culture.

But then again, it's outside of your borders.. so why would the average american care for it's next-door neighbours?

I have a feeling that by "support" they don't mean "work to create that income".

That doesn't make sense. If people work 30-hour weeks for "40 hours pay", 40 hours pay will simply be the new 30 hours pay.

The real question is, how would they make 30 hours be equal to 40 hours in value? Will they force people to work harder?

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In what kind of country do you live? I mean, is that Dubai? China?

Over here, surprise surprise, the police administration is independant of the political establishment. You have a board of administrator appointed by the local government, off course. That board then appoint the police chiefs. However, the process has a slow turnover that garantee an independance between the politicians and the police.

So, you know, police can investigate on politicians? Recently, the Police of Montreal has investigated on some of the City Hall's corruption problem. The City Hall tried to apply pressure, but there was nothing they could do.

Not far off (China).  But Police can investigate politicians - but they better have a slam dunk case or they are done.  Itis not the way it is suppose to work, it is the way it does work.  Sad but true.  WHile your city Hall "tried" too often ours succeeds.  We had one clown in my county that was as dirty as sludge and it took 10 years to get him out of office and in prison!  You think it would take that long to get John Doe?