Here in Ireland, like in Britain, there is a strong movement against the introduction of national id cards.

So instead banks etc. simply ask everyone for their passport.

Since I didn't want to carry a passport around all the time, I finally got a German id card that I use instead.

I don't know what Orwell said about id cards specifically.

Not so much what he said as what they represented.  ID Cards are passe' anyway. We will all be microchipped before long.  Pets already are.

I haven't met anyone who didn't voluntarily carry a mobile phone in a long time.

Yeah I think the ID card is pretty much already a done deal, kind of like Social Security cards, though the switch from ID cards to microchips could be a long way off yet.

Mostly true - but phones just indicate where you are, not everything else about you.

I had to read both (1984 and Farenheit 451) as well as Cat's Cradle and Animal Farm (of those, I liked Animal Farm the best, and it perhaps shaped my conservatism).  To this day when I hear Napoleon, I do not think of Bonaparte, but of the pig.

The irony is that if you read the original SS act (that has not been modified or over-ridden), the law explicitly states that no one can require you to produce or tell them your SS number, including other agencies of the Feds.  Try to get around today without divulging it! hahaha

You forgot to quote Revelations:

"so that no one can buy or to sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name"

Good Job Anthony!  

but you forgot to quote the source completely.  It's found in 13:17. 

Haha thanks well your the resident theologian here so you'll have to watch out for these types ofthings. I've always liked the parts of the bible that dealt with the antichrist, like Revelations, Corinthians, and Thessalonians.

I'm hoping you like those parts because you know that the AC is not going to be victorious in the end.  Chap 13 is not the last chapter in the Book!  Thank God! 

Two armaggedons?  

 There's alot in scripture about the Kingdoms of the world in end days.  To take the mark of the future world leader someday (AC) is an essential ingredient to make possible a cashless society which we are heading towards at a fast rate of speed. 

Many will take the mark or they weill be unable to buy or sell.  The most basic things of life like paying the mortgage, purchasing food, gas or getting medical attention will be denied them without this mark (whatever it is).  The AC wants to be the center object of worship of a one world religion and a one world economic system.  If successful, Satan, who empowers the AC will fulfill his dream of world domination which he tried unsuccessfully many times prior.  

Chap 17&18 detail the destruction of Religious Babylon (all false religions) and Commerce Babylon (merchants of the earth).

Nationanl ID card is a normal thing for me. You're required to get one once you turn 16.. at least thats how I heard it. Germany has a lot of rules that allow the government to keep tabs on you. We have to carry ID cards that have you name, dob and place of birth as well, adress, eyecolour, height - and the picture they take is biometric. Everybody I know looks like they had been just arrested.. you have to look "serious" (bah). And then we have to register in cityhall exactly where we live, even if we move inside the same city. Doing so is required by law.

I have to admit that it sounds a bit opressive but I guess that I became used to it. All in all, we all leave alot of traces in the electronic world that allows accurate assumptions about who we are and what we do and whom we know that a small plastic card wouldn't make that much of a difference for you. The government can find you if they want to, with or without ID card.

very.  I started reading about end times dealing with all this way back in the early 70's when the reality of it all was surreal.  There was no way we could actually comprehend these things especially when most people paid everything either by cash or check.  There was no credit really and no computers, cell phones, faxes, etc.  There was no way to hook us all up together until recent days.  A national ID card is just the beginning.  It will be a one world order card before we're done (or something along that idea).  Some think it will involve a chip or something. 

Everything I read way back then is a reality today.  It's here exactly as predicted. 

I don't twist scripture.  If I did, you would be pointing it out to me wouldn't you?  You haven't.  I showed you here exactly where the battle of Armageddon is.  It's not where you said it was. 

Thank you!  It was someone's opinion.  Most of it was ok but the part about the 2 armageddons was not.  This is going to be a pretty bloody battle with all the nations of the earth going in against Israel. 

Much of this is actually coming from Daniel (although many scriptures elswhere are used) when it speaks of the world powers in the near future and the latter times.  That's why Christ referred to Daniel in his mention of the AC in Matt 24:15. 

Some scriptures referring to this time; the power of the AC are: 

"and in the latter time of their kingdom when the transgressors are come to the full a King (AC) of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall stand up. His power shall be mighty but not by his own power (empowered by Satan) and he shall destroy wonderfully and shall prosper and practise and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand and he shall magnify himself in his heart and by peace shall destroy many; he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Christ) but he shall be broken without hand (God's power)."  Dan 8:23-25

A description of the one world order is found also in Daniel 7 where we see that the AC will march to power by subduing three of the 10 great nations at the end.  He will blaspheme God (v25), will try in some way to change times and laws in order to promote his AC program (v25) and will persecute God's people (v25). 

Paul spoke about this AC in his letter to the Thessalonians when he said this:

"....who opposes and exalts himself (AC) above all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God."  2 Thess 2:4

Of course Revelation 13 is all about the AC and his world power.  His power will be great but he will only be in operation for 3 1/2 years and he will be brutal.  It says there in v7:

"and it was given to him to make war with the Saints (Christians) and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds and tongues and nations.  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him..." 

do you see the one world order now? 

and that's just a shadow of what is to come under the one world order system run by the A.C.  Only if we reuse to take his card/number/chip we will not be able to buy or eat.  That's when we will have to rely on others big time. 

I also ran into a problem when I was coaching a HS sport.  I had coached for years when I was informed I would no longer get paid unless I had a direct deposit.  I was against that and even offered to pick my check up personally (to save postage) and they refused saying I would be let go if I refused.  Sign of the times.  After a while, we will be desensitized by all this, especially the young people and it will seem like nothing. 

That's the whole scary part of the deception.